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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:27 pm 
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Federal court watch in Jackson. Will an injunction be forthcoming that would allow the last abortion clinic in the entire state of Mississippi stay open. The new law designed to make sure that no woman can get a legal abortion in the state will go into effect tomorrow unless a federal judge intervenes.

http://www.medicaldaily.com/news/201206 ... ob-gyn.htm


I believe the governor has said the state will ignore the federal court orders in any case.

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He would not be the first governor who had said he would defy federal court orders. Wallace and Faubus come to mind immediately. We know how that turned out.

In the meantime, I hope there is an organized effort to aid travel to other state's clinics.

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Yes, we have a federal judge in Mississippi who has placed an injunction against the new anti-abortion law going into effect yesterday.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-574 ... rtion-law/

I was monitoring the Jackson and other news sites yesterday and there was no mention of the injunction or even articles about the clinic. It's getting harder and harder to get real news about important issues. It's all drowned out by celebrity gossip and sports.

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Looks like one of the Rooster's neighbors decided to pay a visit to Mississippi.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns- ... 1351.story

The anti-choice folks will be pleased to know that the US District Court Judge who issued the TRO (Daniel Jordan III) was nominated by GW Bush.

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About the only thing more blatant that the state and the governor could do would be to pass a law making it a crime to aid and abet a woman to cross state lines for the purpose of obtaining an abortion.

It was the aim of the law to place an 'undue burden' on a recognized right. I just don't see any way it passes the test.

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Southern governors have really gotten uppity of late. MS gov said he will ignore the federal court injunction and proceed. Jindahl and Scott have said they will ignore the federal healthcare mandate. What can the fed do other than withdraw all federal funds from their states? And in doing do hurt the poorest residents?

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Southern governors have really gotten uppity of late. MS gov said he will ignore the federal court injunction and proceed. Jindahl and Scott have said they will ignore the federal healthcare mandate. What can the fed do other than withdraw all federal funds from their states? And in doing do hurt the poorest residents?


It's old-fashioned posturing for their constituents. The scheduled inspection did not go forward as scheduled in MS today. The law has not gone into effect, so the clinic can continue until the law does go into effect if the injunction is lifted. I expect the injunction will be extended after the 7/11 hearing and until the appeals have run their course.

As for not complying with setting up exchanges, those governors will have the feds do it for them. It's the Medicaid patients who are going to get the short end of the stick if the governors refuse to take the money and expand. How they are going to hold up under that pressure from the people of their state will be interesting.

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Southern governors have really gotten uppity of late. MS gov said he will ignore the federal court injunction and proceed. Jindahl and Scott have said they will ignore the federal healthcare mandate. What can the fed do other than withdraw all federal funds from their states? And in doing do hurt the poorest residents?


It's old-fashioned posturing for their constituents. The scheduled inspection did not go forward as scheduled in MS today. The law has not gone into effect, so the clinic can continue until the law does go into effect if the injunction is lifted. I expect the injunction will be extended after the 7/11 hearing and until the appeals have run their course.

As for not complying with setting up exchanges, those governors will have the feds do it for them. It's the Medicaid patients who are going to get the short end of the stick if the governors refuse to take the money and expand. How they are going to hold up under that pressure from the people of their state will be interesting.


I think the ploy is to blame Obama for the shortfall in funds.

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Yes, we have a federal judge in Mississippi who has placed an injunction against the new anti-abortion law going into effect yesterday.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-574 ... rtion-law/

I was monitoring the Jackson and other news sites yesterday and there was no mention of the injunction or even articles about the clinic. It's getting harder and harder to get real news about important issues. It's all drowned out by celebrity gossip and sports.

Not sure which news sites you were checking, but the Clarion Ledger had an update at 11:24 Sunday night on the injunction and the local tv channel WLBT had 4 stories posted by midnight Sunday. There have been stories in the newspaper every day for over a week on the progress of the injunction and the attempts by the clinic to comply with the law, including updates on getting the Center for Reproductive Rights involved. The top story, along with a photo of the clinic protesters was front and center on the web site first thing Monday morning, and is the second main story today with another photo.


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I was checking Sunday during the day. Your midnight is my 2:00 am. Is there any organizing going on to assist women go to other states if the injunction is lifted? Is the clinic still open for the time being? How strong was the support for the legislation? How organized is the opposition?

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I was checking Sunday during the day. Your midnight is my 2:00 am. Is there any organizing going on to assist women go to other states if the injunction is lifted? Is the clinic still open for the time being? How strong was the support for the legislation? How organized is the opposition?


I don't know about assisting them going to other states, but from information I read early on involving the issue, most of the abortions are now being done out of state, due to this clinic being the last one standing, as part of the reason.

I'd also understood (and this from memory) that the big "issue" remaining for this clinic to remain open was a law that states they must have one physician who has hospital privileges, and that the docs had applied, one fully qualified and should be granted privileges under any other circumstance, but apparently that has not happened. Big surprise there.

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I was checking Sunday during the day. Your midnight is my 2:00 am. Is there any organizing going on to assist women go to other states if the injunction is lifted? Is the clinic still open for the time being? How strong was the support for the legislation? How organized is the opposition?

The clinic is still open, and apparently busier last week than usual. They attributed the increase to women who were trying to beat the deadline for the Health Dept. inspection that would shut the clinic down.
Support for abortion laws doesn't change much from one law to the next...with the exception of the idiotic personhood amendment that was soundly defeated last year. 60-70% approval is about average for any law involving denying women their right to an abortion.
Opposition to the law or the injunction? We have the usual cadre of nutballs camped out in front of the clinic which is just a couple of miles from me so I see them fairly often on the sidewalk.
This is the only clinic in the state and they use 2 out-of-state doctors who come in 3 or 4 days a week but don't live in MS. The new law says they must have admitting priviedges at a hospital, but the anti- group has threatened to picket any hospital that extends priviledges. The hospitals are scared shitless of that. Fortunately, the judge seems to agree there is no medical reason for that and recognizes that the clinic have doctors who DO have priviedges who admit patients if necessary (so far, 0 cases of that happening) even though they don't perform the abortions themselves. Also, private physicians who perform fewer than (I think) 10 abortions a month are not covered under the law.
Our idiot Gov has announced publicly that the specific reason for the law was to cease all abortions in the state and that is apparently weighing heavily on the judge's decision. I'm expecting the injunction to be extended and the pols to scurry around making all sorts of noise and looking for ways to change the laws so we can do this all over again next year.


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Thanks for the report. It's good to have boots on the ground filling in the news.

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Federal court watch in Jackson. Will an injunction be forthcoming that would allow the last abortion clinic in the entire state of Mississippi stay open. The new law designed to make sure that no woman can get a legal abortion in the state will go into effect tomorrow unless a federal judge intervenes.

http://www.medicaldaily.com/news/201206 ... ob-gyn.htm


I believe the governor has said the state will ignore the federal court orders in any case.

Missed this post earlier, but I haven't seen that quote from the Gov. He's making noise about the medicaid stuff, but I'm not aware of him saying they would ignore a court order in the abortion case. It wouldn't surprise me if he said it, I just haven't seen it cited anywhere.


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Federal court watch in Jackson. Will an injunction be forthcoming that would allow the last abortion clinic in the entire state of Mississippi stay open. The new law designed to make sure that no woman can get a legal abortion in the state will go into effect tomorrow unless a federal judge intervenes.

http://www.medicaldaily.com/news/201206 ... ob-gyn.htm


I believe the governor has said the state will ignore the federal court orders in any case.

Missed this post earlier, but I haven't seen that quote from the Gov. He's making noise about the medicaid stuff, but I'm not aware of him saying they would ignore a court order in the abortion case. It wouldn't surprise me if he said it, I just haven't seen it cited anywhere.

It was either on the ED Show or RMS.

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It was either on the ED Show or RMS.

If you happen across it again, a link would be appreciated. I stil can't find it and I'd like to add it to my list of assholic things that moron has said.


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I was checking Sunday during the day. Your midnight is my 2:00 am. Is there any organizing going on to assist women go to other states if the injunction is lifted? Is the clinic still open for the time being? How strong was the support for the legislation? How organized is the opposition?


I think you have that backwards. Midnight in MS is 10pm in CA.


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I was checking Sunday during the day. Your midnight is my 2:00 am. Is there any organizing going on to assist women go to other states if the injunction is lifted? Is the clinic still open for the time being? How strong was the support for the legislation? How organized is the opposition?


I think you have that backwards. Midnight in MS is 10pm in CA.

I was wondering about that since we're only an hour behind the east coast. I think maybe part of Nova Scotia is the only area in North America that is 2 hours ahead of us and that may not even apply during DST,
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Live blogging from hearing in Jackson about keeping the abortion clinic open or not.

http://www.clarionledger.com/interactiv ... ortion-law

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The judge has extended the TRO preventing the new MS anti-abortion law from going into effect. He has not said how long he will extend it for.

www.clarionledger.com/interactive/artic ... ortion-law

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The judge has extended the TRO preventing the new MS anti-abortion law from going into effect. He has not said how long he will extend it for.

http://www.clarionledger.com/interactiv ... ortion-law


Has the governor repeated his threat he will ignore all TROs and implement the law anyway?

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It sounded a bit like the judge was saying that the public statements made by the authors and signers of the bill was helping the plaintiff's to make their case.

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It sounded a bit like the judge was saying that the public statements made by the authors and signers of the bill was helping the plaintiff's to make their case.

That has, indeed, been their argument all along. That it was an end run around Roe vs Wade. The judge agreed when he issued the original TRO. The Health Dept apparently passed a new rule this morning outlining exactly how they would (or wouldn't) enforce the law, and that is the "new material' the judge is reviewing before making a final decision. I fully expect him to block the law, or make sure the Health Dept rules effectively block the law by non-enforcement. I also fully expect our idiot asshole Gov to waste more time and money and energy in fighting it.

I still can't find any reference to the Gov saying he'd ignore the TRO, and nobody I've asked remembers hearing it either. If he actually did say it though, he's even more of an idiot asshole than we already thought. since the Health Dept is charged with applying the law. The Gov can't just send the local cops to shut the clinic down.


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