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 Post subject: Oklahoma S.B. 91 (2011)
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It's still semi-birther - it requires original birth documents.


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It's still semi-birther - it requires original birth documents.

No, President Obama is good:
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1. An original birth document issued by a state, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or the District of Columbia, or a certified copy thereof;
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 Post subject: Oklahoma S.B. 91 (2011)
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But how will the birthers react to this:
S.B. 91 wrote:
A candidate shall present a current state or federal government-issued photo identification to provide proof of identity, and shall also present one of the following documents [highlight]to provide proof of United States natural-born citizenship[/highlight]:
1. An original birth document issued by a state, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or the District of Columbia, or a certified copy thereof

A U.S.-state issued COLB is sufficient to prove natural-born citizenship??!? Not in my America!

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S.B. 91 wrote:
A candidate shall present a current state or federal government-issued photo identification to provide proof of identity, and shall also present one of the following documents [highlight]to provide proof of United States natural-born citizenship[/highlight]:
1. An original birth document issued by a state, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or the District of Columbia, or a certified copy thereof

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S.B. 91 wrote:
A candidate shall present a current state or federal government-issued photo identification to provide proof of identity, and shall also present one of the following documents to provide proof of United States natural-born citizenship:
1. An original birth document issued by a state, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or the District of Columbia, or a certified copy thereof

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I'm afraid there's no such thing. The crafty ones don't believe, and the sincere believers are just nuts. And none of them really wants a ruling 'on point' from SCOTUS. They just want to whine and threaten, and imagine they are impeding the Republic.

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 Post subject: Oklahoma S.B. 91 (2011)
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A candidate shall present a current state or federal government-issued photo identification to provide proof of identity, and shall also present one of the following documents to provide proof of United States natural-born citizenship:
1. An original birth document issued by a state, the [highlight]Commonwealth of Puerto Rico[/highlight], or the District of Columbia, or a certified copy thereof


What does Oklahoma have against the U.S. Virgin Islands and Guam?

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 Post subject: Oklahoma S.B. 91 (2011)
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bob wrote:
S.B. 91 wrote:
A candidate shall present a current state or federal government-issued photo identification to provide proof of identity, and shall also present one of the following documents [highlight]to provide proof of United States natural-born citizenship[/highlight]:
1. An original birth document issued by a state, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or the District of Columbia, or a certified copy thereof

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The REST of the story:
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2. An original birth certificate issued by the federal government, or a certified copy thereof;

3. An original United States Certificate of Birth Abroad; or

4. An original Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States.

Copies of these documents shall be made by the State Election Board and kept available for public inspection pursuant to the Oklahoma Open Records Act.

I think somebody in OK actually knows the law.

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 Post subject: Oklahoma S.B. 91 (2011)
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The REST of the story:

2. An original birth certificate issued by the federal government, or a certified copy thereof;

3. An original United States Certificate of Birth Abroad; or

4. An original Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States.

Copies of these documents shall be made by the State Election Board and [highlight]kept available for public inspection[/highlight] pursuant to the Oklahoma Open Records Act.


I seriously disagree with the public inspection of what should be private documents. I think that's a road down which we should not go.

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 Post subject: Oklahoma S.B. 91 (2011)
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Oklahoma wants a state-certified birth document? In California they're issued by counties, so I guess the next Richard Nixon is SOL. (In New York I'm not sure what political subdivisions can issue them, but the City of New York can do so.)

This is a poorly drafted piece of legislation looking for a problem to be a solution to.

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 Post subject: Oklahoma S.B. 91 (2011)
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Oklahoma wants a state-certified birth document? In California they're issued by counties, so I guess the next Richard Nixon is SOL. (In New York I'm not sure what political subdivisions can issue them, but the City of New York can do so.)

This is a poorly drafted piece of legislation looking for a problem to be a solution to.


Counties here, too. I think. I don't have it in front on me, but I'm 99% sure.

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 Post subject: Oklahoma S.B. 91 (2011)
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Oklahoma wants a state-certified birth document? In California they're issued by counties, so I guess the next Richard Nixon is SOL. (In New York I'm not sure what political subdivisions can issue them, but the City of New York can do so.)

This is a poorly drafted piece of legislation looking for a problem to be a solution to.


Counties here, too. I think. I don't have it in front on me, but I'm 99% sure.

Gonna be real funny when some white guy has to challenge that law to get on the ballot. :lol:

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 Post subject: Oklahoma S.B. 91 (2011)
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When I had to request my b.c. for a passport, it was through the county in Michigan, not the state.

And I never needed my b.c. before that. My baptismal certificate was enough to get me into schools, sports leagues, and get my CA driver's license as a teen.
'Course that was almost as far back in pre-history as Stern's teen-age years! :((

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In NJ, I believe most people get these at the local level. Except in certain instances, like mine, where I had to go to the state.

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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Oklahoma wants a state-certified birth document? In California they're issued by counties, so I guess the next Richard Nixon is SOL. (In New York I'm not sure what political subdivisions can issue them, but the City of New York can do so.)

This is a poorly drafted piece of legislation looking for a problem to be a solution to.


Would this bill write off Reagan and Nixon as qualified candidates, then?

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Would this bill write off Reagan and Nixon as qualified candidates, then?


YES AND EVERYTHING THEY DID WOULD BE NULL AND VOID

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MaineSkeptic wrote:
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Would this bill write off Reagan and Nixon as qualified candidates, then?


YES AND EVERYTHING THEY DID WOULD BE NULL AND VOID


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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poutine wrote:

Would this bill write off Reagan and Nixon as qualified candidates, then?


YES AND EVERYTHING THEY DID WOULD BE NULL AND VOID


OMG :o

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poutine wrote:
Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Oklahoma wants a state-certified birth document? In California they're issued by counties, so I guess the next Richard Nixon is SOL. (In New York I'm not sure what political subdivisions can issue them, but the City of New York can do so.)

This is a poorly drafted piece of legislation looking for a problem to be a solution to.


Would this bill write off Reagan and Nixon as qualified candidates, then?

Nixon was born in Southern California. Reagan not so much. (Reagan was born in the Land of Lincoln, who wasn't born there.)

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poutine wrote:
MaineSkeptic wrote:
poutine wrote:

Would this bill write off Reagan and Nixon as qualified candidates, then?


YES AND EVERYTHING THEY DID WOULD BE NULL AND VOID


OMG :o

I've seen the light. I'm a birther, I'm a birther, I'm a birther...

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 Post subject: Oklahoma S.B. 91 (2011)
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I was hoping for a hat trick today.

SB91 was on the agenda of the House Rules Committee today. I don't know what happened but it's not amongst the Bills that got "Do Pass" recommendations from that committee today. Whether they didn't get to it, or sponsor defered it , or the committee defered it is anyone's guess.

It may even have failed.

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SB91 cleared the House Rules Committee a few minutes ago with a "Do Pass As Amended by CS" recommendation.

OK doesn't broadcast its committees so I can't be sure of the extent of the amendment but I had advance notice yesterday of a minor technical amendment so it may just be that.

OK seems on course to give us a Birther Law - there's plenty of time before the session ends.

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 Post subject: Oklahoma S.B. 91 (2011)
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SB91 cleared the House Rules Committee a few minutes ago with a "Do Pass As Amended by CS" recommendation.

OK doesn't broadcast its committees so I can't be sure of the extent of the amendment but I had advance notice yesterday of a minor technical amendment so it may just be that.

OK seems on course to give us a Birther Law - there's plenty of time before the session ends.


According to their website, the Amendments yesterday were:

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COMMITTEE AMENDMENT
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
State of Oklahoma

SPEAKER:

CHAIR:

I move to amend SB91

Of the printed Bill
[highlight]Page 3 Section 2 Lines 11 [highlight]
Of the Engrossed Bill


By inserting after the word “Abroad” and before the “semicolon” the following language: “or certified copy thereof” and

[highlight]Page 3, Section 2, Line 13[/highlight] – by inserting after the word “States” and before the period “.” the following language: “or certified copy thereof”.



How the new bill now reads, I dunno. Have not researched that yet.

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BILL SUMMARY
1st Session of the 53rd Legislature

Bill No.: SB 91
Version: ENGR
Request Number: NA
Author: Rep. Tibbs
Date: 3/29/2011
Impact: Minimal Copying Cost

Research Analysis

Engrossed SB 91 requires each candidate required to file a Declaration of Candidacy for any election to provide proof of identity and eligibility to hold the office sought and requires candidates for the nomination for President to provide proof of identity and United States citizenship to the State Election Board and directs that copies of such documents be made available by the Board for public inspection.

Prepared By: Marcia Goff

Fiscal Analysis

The provisions of the measure require candidates to provide proof of identity and eligibility to hold the office sought to the election board and further requires proof of identity and United State citizenship. The Election Board will retain copies of acceptable documents to be made available for public inspection. It is possible the Election Board may incur minimal copying costs to satisfy the requirements.

Prepared By: Mark Tygret

Other Considerations

None indicated.



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BILL SUMMARY
1st Session of the 53rd Legislature

Bill No.: SB 91
Version: FULLAMD1
Request Number: NA
Author: Rep. Tibbs
Date: 4/5/2011
Impact: $0

Research Analysis

The Proposed Committee Amendment 1 to Engrossed SB 91 would allow certified copies of a U.S. Certificate of Birth Abroad or Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the U.S. to suffice for proof of citizenship.

The measure requires each candidate required to file a Declaration of Candidacy for any election to provide proof of identity and eligibility to hold the office sought and requires candidates for the nomination for President to provide proof of identity and United States citizenship to the State Election Board and directs that copies of such documents be made available by the Board for public inspection.

Prepared By: Marcia Goff

Fiscal Analysis

No fiscal or revenue impact is anticipated with the provision of the amendment.

Prepared By: Mark Tygret

Other Considerations

None indicated.

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 Post subject: Oklahoma S.B. 91 (2011)
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Voted out of a house committee 11-0. (Already voted out of full senate 34-10.)

Text can be found here. (I'm having problems opening.)

Recall last year the house passed a bill, but it failed to get 25 votes in the senate.

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Below is the engrossed bill as provided at the OK legislature website:

http://www.oklegislature.gov/BillInfo.aspx?Bill=SB91

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ENGROSSED SENATE
BILL NO. 91 By: Brinkley and Shortey of the Senate

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Tibbs of the House





An Act relating to identity and eligibility of candidates; requiring proof of identity and eligibility to hold office for certain candidates; requiring promulgation of certain rules; requiring availability of certain documents for public inspection; amending 26 O.S. 2001, Section 20-102, as amended by Section 24, Chapter 485, O.S.L. 2003 (26 O.S. Supp. 2010, Section 20-102), which relates to candidacy for nomination for President of the United States; modifying filing requirements for candidacy for certain office; requiring availability of certain documents for public inspection; providing for codification; and providing an effective date.





BE IT ENACTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA:
SECTION 1. NEW LAW A new section of law to be codified in the Oklahoma Statutes as Section 5-111.2 of Title 26, unless there is created a duplication in numbering, reads as follows:
A. Each candidate required to file a Declaration of Candidacy for any federal, state, county, municipal or judicial office, or for the nomination of a recognized political party, in any general, primary, or special election shall, at the time of filing the Declaration of Candidacy, provide proof of identity and eligibility to hold the office sought to the election board at which the Declaration was filed.
B. The Secretary of the State Election Board shall promulgate rules to specify the documentation required to provide proof of eligibility to hold the office sought. The requirement to provide proof of identity may be satisfied by production of a document specified in Section 7-114 of Title 26 of the Oklahoma Statutes.
C. Copies of documents provided pursuant to the provisions of this section shall be made by the election board and kept available for public inspection pursuant to the Oklahoma Open Records Act.
SECTION 2. AMENDATORY 26 O.S. 2001, Section 20-102, as amended by Section 24, Chapter 485, O.S.L. 2003 (26 O.S. Supp. 2010, Section 20-102), is amended to read as follows:
Section 20-102. A. Candidates for the nomination for President of the United States shall file with the Secretary of the State Election Board. Such candidates shall be members of political parties recognized under the laws of the State of Oklahoma and shall have filed a statement of candidacy with the Federal Election Commission and shall have raised and expended not less than Five Thousand Dollars ($5,000.00) for said the office. The candidates shall be required to swear an oath or affirm that they meet the aforementioned qualifications, and their signatures shall be witnessed by a notary public. The candidates shall further be required to provide proof of identity and United States citizenship to the State Election Board. [highlight]A candidate shall present a current state or federal government-issued photo identification to provide proof of identity, and shall also present one of the following documents to provide proof of United States natural-born citizenship:[/highlight]
1. An original birth document issued by a state, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or the District of Columbia, [highlight]or a certified copy thereof[/highlight];
2. An original birth certificate issued by the federal government, [highlight]or a certified copy thereof;[/highlight]
3. An original United States Certificate of Birth Abroad; or
4. An original Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States.
Copies of these documents shall be made by the State Election Board and kept available for public inspection pursuant to the Oklahoma Open Records Act.
B. Such filing beginning shall begin at 8:00 a.m. on the first Monday in December and ending end at 5:00 p.m. on the next succeeding Wednesday, or at a time prescribed by the State Election Board for a Presidential Preferential Primary to be held on a date other than the first Tuesday in February. A statement of candidacy must be accompanied by a petition supporting a candidate's filing signed by one percent (1%) of the registered voters in each congressional district eligible to vote for a candidate or one thousand (1,000) registered voters in each congressional district eligible to vote for a candidate, whichever is less, as reflected by the latest January 15 registration report; or by a cashier's check or certified check in the amount of Two Thousand Five Hundred Dollars ($2,500.00). Such check shall be forfeited unless a candidate receives more than fifteen percent (15%) of the votes cast. The State Election Board shall cause the names of all candidates who have filed within the proper time to be printed on the official ballots. The ballots shall be prepared as provided for by law. Voters shall be restricted to one vote for the candidate of his or her choice of the political party in which the voter is registered.
B. C. Each page of a petition supporting a candidate's filing shall identify the county and the congressional district, and shall contain the names of registered voters in only one congressional district and in only one county.
C. D. Each page of a petition supporting a candidate's filing shall be verified. Verification shall be made in substantial compliance with the provisions of Section 6 of Title 34 of the Oklahoma Statutes.
SECTION 3. This act shall become effective November 1, 2011.
Passed the Senate the 14th day of March, 2011.



Presiding Officer of the Senate


Passed the House of Representatives the ____ day of __________, 2011.



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