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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:10 pm 
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Maybe this will make you feel better... the lunatics at Dr. Hate's has decided that Gov. Brewer is an obot plant.

It must be terrible to be one of Kates Cohorts. They just cant trust anyone, not even their own.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:14 pm 
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BEWARE: Arizona Senate Bill 1308 Defines Dual Citizens As Natural Born Citizens
Arizona Senate Bill 1308 passed out of committee yesterday by an 8-5 vote. This bill is a cleverly disguised attempt to protect President Obama from eligibility scrutiny. It does this by declaring persons born with dual citizenship as natural born citizens. But it does this in a very sneaky manner.



Because Arizona is so pro-Obama, of course.


That is, of course, ridiculous. I am from Arizona, and there is nothing pro-Obama about this state.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:27 pm 
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izzybella wrote:
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BEWARE: Arizona Senate Bill 1308 Defines Dual Citizens As Natural Born Citizens
Arizona Senate Bill 1308 passed out of committee yesterday by an 8-5 vote. This bill is a cleverly disguised attempt to protect President Obama from eligibility scrutiny. It does this by declaring persons born with dual citizenship as natural born citizens. But it does this in a very sneaky manner.



Because Arizona is so pro-Obama, of course.


That is, of course, ridiculous. I am from Arizona, and there is nothing pro-Obama about this state.


Obama almost took the lead in Arizona during the 2008 campaign. He's visited our state 4 times since the election and I believe he can win it in 2012.

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izzybella wrote:
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Because Arizona is so pro-Obama, of course.

That is, of course, ridiculous. I am from Arizona, and there is nothing pro-Obama about this state.

Definitely need that snark tag.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:36 pm 
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poutine wrote:
izzybella wrote:
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BEWARE: Arizona Senate Bill 1308 Defines Dual Citizens As Natural Born Citizens
Arizona Senate Bill 1308 passed out of committee yesterday by an 8-5 vote. This bill is a cleverly disguised attempt to protect President Obama from eligibility scrutiny. It does this by declaring persons born with dual citizenship as natural born citizens. But it does this in a very sneaky manner.



Because Arizona is so pro-Obama, of course.


That is, of course, ridiculous. I am from Arizona, and there is nothing pro-Obama about this state.


Obama almost took the lead in Arizona during the 2008 campaign. He's visited our state 4 times since the election and I believe he can win it in 2012.


I hope you are correct. I am surrounded by conservatives here in my little part of Arizona. :(


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:02 pm 
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I hope you are correct. I am surrounded by conservatives here in my little part of Arizona. :(


I know there a lot of those!

I'm in downtown Phoenix. My state rep is an openly lesbian Democrat. :lol:

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The battle of the US-Mexico frontier
The United States has built a huge fence to keep Mexican immigrants out. It has cost billions, split communities – but does it work?


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/fe ... mmigration

This is a really interesting article.


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Surely Ariz. H.B. 1308 is DOA; look at the braintrust opposing it:

Apuzzo: Arizona’s Proposed Interstate Birth Certificate Compact Law Is Both Unconstitutional and Contrary to the Best Interests of the United States

Donofrio: BEWARE: Arizona Senate Bill 1308 Defines Dual Citizens As Natural Born Citizens.

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Ah, but they're negated by the fact that Orly Taitz flew to AZ and had face-to-face dialogue with the powers that be.

Orly trumps Apuzzo and Donofrio.

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Ah, but they're negated by the fact that Orly Taitz flew to AZ and had face-to-face dialogue with the powers that be.

Orly trumps Apuzzo and Donofrio.

And, you know what the expert lobbyist and political scientist says about the legisiative process:
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. . . there is always a way to do a striker, to amend a bill and to re-introduce it.

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. . . there is always a way to do a striker, to amend a bill and to re-introduce it.


Once, when I was younger, I did a striker who was on a picket line all day ... :-

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. . . there is always a way to do a striker, to amend a bill and to re-introduce it.


Once, when I was younger, I did a striker who was on a picket line all day ... :-

Well, according to her law clerk, Orly did a bowling ball in her dental chair.

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Examiner wrote:
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The Chaleria wrote:
. . . there is always a way to do a striker, to amend a bill and to re-introduce it.


Once, when I was younger, I did a striker who was on a picket line all day ... :-


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Oh, that sneaky dancing Kenyan:

Jan Brewer appointed to Obama’s imperial “Council of Governors”
Ariz. 10th Amend. Ctr. wrote:
“Today [Feb. 4, 2011], President Barack Obama announced his intent to appoint the following individuals to the Council of Governors. The Council, created January 11 of this year by Executive Order, will work closely with the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and other defense and national security advisors to exchange views, information and advice on matters of mutual interest pertaining to the National Guard, homeland defense, synchronization [emphisis original] and integration of State and Federal military activities in the United States, and civil support activities.”

As investigative journalist William N. Grigg has already pointed out elsewhere: “The German National Socialists used the term Gleichschaltung to describe the “coordination” or “[highlight]synchronization[/highlight]” of all government functions by centralizing power in the Chief Executive. This process was carried out through a series of executive decrees supposedly authorized by the 1933 Enabling Act, formally known as the “Law for Removing the Distress of People and Reich.”

Governor Brewer’s response to our Emperor’s appointment ought to make every Arizonan who cares about state sovereignty irate: “I am grateful for the opportunity the President of the United States has provided me to serve as a member of the Council of Governors..”.

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Via Doc's site: Prawfsblag's Welcome to the Birthright Citizenship Roundtable:
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The background legal principles are these. Although American law has had Section 1 of the 14th Amendment only since 1868, we had citizens before that, under common law. The traditional principle of Anglo-American citizenship comes from Calvin's Case, 77 ER 377 (1608), which held held that [highlight]birth in the lands of a sovereign made a person a natural born subject of that sovereign[/highlight].[*] In 1868, Congress and the States essentially codified Calvin's Case through Section 1, which Provides: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

The critical language for our purposes is "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." In United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 682 (1898), the Court said that the language included racial Chinese born in the United States notwithstanding that racial Chinese were prohibited from immigrating and becoming naturalized citizens. The Court--no great friend of Chinese immigrants--held that the language excluded only "the two classes of cases,--children of alien enemies in hostile occupation, and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign state,--both of which . . . by the law of England and by our own law, . . . had been recognized exceptions to the fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the country." That is, "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means nothing more than "subject to the laws of the United States," which all non-citizens, including the undocumented, emphatically are.


* Contra MichaelN.

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The Arizona Senate, in an unprecedented and freakish fit of sanity, has rejected the birthright citizenship bill.

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The Arizona Senate has defeated bills intended to force a Supreme Court ruling against automatic citizenship for U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants.

The bills were defeated on votes of 12-18 and 11-19 as majority Republicans split on the issue.


Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/ ... z1GuAxkKSJ

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Wonderful, Poutine. Thank you for posting the good news.

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The Arizona Senate, in an unprecedented and freakish fit of sanity, has rejected the birthright citizenship bill.

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The Arizona Senate has defeated bills intended to force a Supreme Court ruling against automatic citizenship for U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants.

The bills were defeated on votes of 12-18 and 11-19 as majority Republicans split on the issue.


Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/ ... z1GuAxkKSJ


Must be the new stuff Soros ordered sprayed with the chemtrails over AZ.

Since it worked there, perhaps TX could be next? :P

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The Arizona Senate has gone further today to reject every single bill pushed by quasi white supremacist Senate leader Russell Pearce that targeted Latinos.

Ban on illegal immigrants from state universities: rejected.

Ban on illegal immigrants driving cars: rejected.

School districts have to check the legal status of students: rejected.

Hospitals have to check the legal status of patients: rejected.

This is a dramatic slap in the face to Pearce's leadership.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/ ... ected.html

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I read this letter from Arizona CEO's yesterday. The story:

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CEOs urge Arizona to forgo immigration measures

Mar. 16, 2011 10:53 AM
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Dozens of major Arizona employers are urging state lawmakers to not pass additional legislation targeting illegal immigration, saying it would damage the economy and tourism industry.

A letter signed by CEOs of major employers and several business and civic groups says Arizona should be pushing for federal action on immigration and border issues.

The letter says "unintended consequences" occur when the state "goes it alone" on illegal immigration, including boycotts and other fallout on businesses.


not much more:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/ ... ainst.html



the letter, worth reading, is here:
http://www.phoenixchamber.com/news/ceos ... ion-letter

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The business lobby also opposed SB1070, and has consistently opposed all kinds of state efforts to attack illegal immgrants. The difference with 1070 was that they were unprepared, because they failed to realize that the bill had adequate legislative support. Pearce's efforts in the past to push this racist legislation had always gone nowhere.

Of course, we then had a governor sign the bill who had not even been elected by the people of Arizona. They had elected Napolitano, who Obama yanked away from them.

I hope this marks a return of the state GOP to policies that reflect the true will and tolerant spirit of our population.

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I hope this marks a return of the state GOP to policies that reflect the true will and tolerant spirit of our population.

:shock: ?( :-k

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I hope this marks a return of the state GOP to policies that reflect the true will and tolerant spirit of our population.

:shock: ?( :-k


A few of these rejected bills were simply copycats of what California voters had approved with their Prop 187. What's the confusion?

A strong majority of Arizonans in every poll have always supported the "amnesty" condemned by right wing bigots everywhere, including legislators in many other non-border states. This remains the only state in the union that has ever rejected a gay marriage ban by popular vote in history, even as bans easily passed in blue states like Oregon and California. The racially divisive tack adopted by the GOP of late has nothing to do with the views of the electorate here and I've been saying that for quite some time now.

The question is whether this return to sanity will be enough to prevent the state from turning blue. I doubt it.

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