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Father in Apparent Murder-Suicide was ‘Congressman’ in Antigovernment ‘Republic’

Edit: Last week, police made a startling announcement in their investigation of a fire that killed a father and son in their rural West Virginia mobile home in January. They revealed that David Hutzler, 56, and his 9-year-old son James, known as “Mack,” were each shot in the head before the trailer burned. The scene bore all the signs of a murder-suicide. Investigators found accelerants used to start the fire scattered around the property in Glengary, W.Va. An autopsy later determined that one bullet had grazed the young boy’s chin before a second bullet took his life –– a detail that left terrifying questions about the young boy’s final moments.

“Due to the findings in the investigation it is believed that David Hutzler fatally shot his son James ‘Mack’ Hutzler and set fire to his residence before taking his own life,” police told local newspapers as they wrapped up their investigation.

A Hatewatch investigation has now confirmed that Hutzler was once a “congressman” in the Republic for the united States of America (RuSA), one of the largest and most organized antigovernment “sovereign citizens” groups active in the United States today. Led by “president” James Timothy Turner of Ozark, Ala., and with representatives in nearly every state, the group says the federal government is illegitimate and it is “reinhabiting” the true government.

He littered the Internet with tirades that made ludicrous claims and wrote that the Constitution needed a “reset.” Laws didn’t matter anymore, he mused, not when the federal government had become tyrannical.


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Have you ordered your RuSA Identification Cards and Travel Cards yet? The travel card allows you to travel in all the states. Isn't that amazing?

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James Aquilla "Mack" Hutzler, 9, of Martinsburg died on Friday, Jan. 6, 2012 in Glengary, in a case that police say is a homicide investigation.
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Memorial services will be held on Sunday, Feb. 12, 2012, at 3 p.m. at Brown Funeral Home. Interment will be private at a later date.

In lieu of flowers please plant a tree if/when able.


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He littered the Internet with tirades that made ludicrous claims and wrote that the Constitution needed a “reset.” Laws didn’t matter anymore, he mused, not when the federal government had become tyrannical.


I went and looked at some of his stuff. I'm embarrassed to say I found it typical of the stuff we see from a bunch of the birthers/SovCits/Patriots we read.

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God damn it.

^^^^^ That brought it home for me.

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A resource for some Sovcit history and activity.

SovCit Reference

Militia Watchdog Historical archive

Has section on flag fringes and how the fringes feel about it.

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When I first started seeing SovCit, I though it was an abbreviated Soviet Citizen. That was one of the term given civilians in war games long time ago in a Europe far far away.

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It did not take long for the murder-suicide of David Hutzler and his son to become evidence that the big bad government is taking out Sovereign Citizens. From SPLC's Hatewatch article (above), a comment:
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on February 11th, 2012 at 11:59 am

Wow! That is a total lie! You people are obviously working for the NWO & the corrupt people running our government. David Hutzler and his son were both shot & then the place was burned down to try to cover up any evidence. Apparently he was targeted due to the information David released to the public regarding Federal Reserve bonds. The SPLC & these cops are obviously covering-up for the guys who shot Dave & his son. We are suppose to believe that David shot his son & then burned his place down & then went back in the room where his son was & then shot himself. You guys really are evil and I hope you guys will be out of business soon. You know that eventually the truth will come out and the bad guys (this includes you) will be exposed. Shame on you and your evil plans to enslave the world. Bad, Southern Poverty Law Center! Bad! Bad!


I know that is almost childishly comical, but I don't think it is a prank.

There are many similar comments at a local news station's Web site.
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‘Millions’ - a whole lot of people do not get their 'news' from the bought-and-paid-for self-destructing mainstream. We're called the 'Patriot Movement ' - or 'Truthers.' We write books, put up websites, do YouTube videos. We blog and we have blogtalk (Internet) radio shows that reach millions. Many of us contribute to broadcasters like Alex Jones, Joyce Riley, Butch Paugh, Dr. Stan Monteith, and 'Beth Ann' - among many others. I’ve met many of these patriots – some of whom are no longer with us. WWCR is a worldwide short wave blowtorch radio station. Their estimated worldwide audience was pegged between ten and thirty million a decade ago – and has grown exponentially. I've done programs, and been on-air over a thousand times in the past few years. Millions know who I am, and I've paid a very dear PRICE for this. I’ll spare the horrid details. The point is that you never know how big the web is until you jangle the spider – and – many of us have been 'suicided' or died in questionable circumstances. That is the price we PAY for telling the truth to a world that prefers attractive lies. We do this ONLY because we love truth and our fellow man. We get many death threats – some serious. The general public calls us crazy, but they’re learning – very quickly – that we’re educated. EG: Alex Jones predicted – months in advance – that our ‘government’ would attack the World Trade Center & blame Osama Bin Laden. The rest of the nation is catching up. We are up to our necks in this battle between truth and lies. Hutzie had a blog: http://www.bigvalleydiscountstore.blogspot.com. He contributed to other blogs and worried about one warning in particular. I do not know who whacked Dave and Mackie, but I REFUSE to believe the ‘official explanation’ – just like the official explanation we got about the events of 9/11 – and many, many, many other – deaths – including Lincoln, Harding, McKinley, Garfield, and JFK. Dave was a patriot we loved – dearly.

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This is so sad. :( :( :cry: :cry:


This is not a Godwin, really - reminds me of Joseph Goebbles and Magda (Frau) poisoning their 6 children and killing themselves as Madga could not image letting their children grow up in a world without National Socialim (NAZI).

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In looking for more information on the murder-suicide committed by David Hutzler, I have discovered more recent cases than I wanted to discover where a father killed his children in the midst of a custody battle or in anticipation of one. This is the case in the Washington State murder by Josh Powell of his two sons and the setting of a fire followed by his suicide. Powell also put his sons through horror and pain before killing them.

It may not have been Hutzler's political beliefs that drove him to this insane act. It may have been his insanity that drove him to the murder of his sons and perhaps his wife, as well as into the arms of the Vandalia Republic.

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It may not have been Hutzler's political beliefs that drove him to this insane act. It may have been his insanity that drove him to the murder of his sons and perhaps his wife, as well as into the arms of the Vandalia Republic.


It is unfortunate but unsurprising that those who espouse a political philosophy based on criminality and parasitism also commit vile crimes.

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This is so sad. :( :( :cry: :cry:


This is not a Godwin, really - reminds me of Joseph Goebbles and Magda (Frau) poisoning their 6 children and killing themselves as Madga could not image letting their children grow up in a world without National Socialim (NAZI).

Wow that's a powerful image. Does anyone think just maybe Sov Cit might have killed them all? And made up the story to create a patriot martyr? That way they could have their poster family and smear the government at the same time. It has happened before.

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They lived near Tacoma. The father went "nuts". Murder suicide of 2 kids (hatchet) and 1 father setting off the propane in the place.

For more info search the Tacoma News Tribune as they are the local covering paper. The Seattle papers have the story also.

Offtopic :
It seemed to be a custody thing.


PM me if you need some specific local info.

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Didn't seem to be SovCits right off hand.

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‘Sovereign Citizen’ Sues Prosecutors For Grammar-Based Conspiracy

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A so-called sovereign citizen in Washington, recently sentenced to three years for threatening to “arrest” a local mayor, is now suing federal prosecutors for conspiring against him using poor grammar, or as he calls it, “backwards-correct-syntaxing-modification fraud.”

David Russell Myrland filed a (virtually incomprehensible) lawsuit in federal court in Washington in late January, accusing federal prosecutors and Department of Homeland Security officials of violating his civil rights through “babbling-collusion-threats” and “grammar-second-grade-writing-level-fraud.”



http://www.scribd.com/doc/81500878/David-Myrland-Grammar-Lawsuit?secret_password=110jo39bhuk90rkzdor7

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Who was it we saw recently with the grammar obsession? Was it Loughner?

It seems to be a more frequent sovereign citizen "thing" anymore.

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Who was it we saw recently with the grammar obsession? Was it Loughner?

It seems to be a more frequent sovereign citizen "thing" anymore.



Yes, he was mentioned in the article linked

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‘Sovereign Citizen’ Sues Prosecutors For Grammar-Based Conspiracy

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A so-called sovereign citizen in Washington, recently sentenced to three years for threatening to “arrest” a local mayor, is now suing federal prosecutors for conspiring against him using poor grammar, or as he calls it, “backwards-correct-syntaxing-modification fraud."


This assclown is almost certainly a follower of whackjob :Judge: David-Wynn: Miller, whose brilliant legal tactics have, when used by assclowns, resulted in mandatory psychiatric evaluations.

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This assclown is almost certainly a follower of whackjob :Judge: David-Wynn: Miller, whose brilliant legal tactics have, when used by assclowns, resulted in mandatory psychiatric evaluations.


Ding-ding-ding!

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Who was it we saw recently with the grammar obsession? Was it Loughner?

It seems to be a more frequent sovereign citizen "thing" anymore.


Loughner was all about language, not specificly grammer.

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A Legal Lohengrin wrote:
This assclown is almost certainly a follower of whackjob :Judge: David-Wynn: Miller, whose brilliant legal tactics have, when used by assclowns, resulted in mandatory psychiatric evaluations.


Ding-ding-ding!


Good Lord, that filing is amazing! Does it really have meaning to the guy or is it an attempt to translate the static in his head? :shock:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/81500878/Davi ... k90rkzdor7

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There's a column from the LV Review Journal, but nothing there we didn't already know.

http://goo.gl/vsZh2

The Big Meeting of Constitutional Sheriffs did occur in Las Vegas. Among the interesting videos of lectures (with a group photo of the assembled Constitutional Sheriffs) is "How to Give a Boot to illegal, UnConstitutional Fed.Agencies"


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If I remember correctly, Mack was aiming for 200. I counted 52 in the photo, a pitifully small number given that there are over 3k sheriffs nationwide and considering how this event was promoted so strongly within that community. Guess that makes them members of the "Less Than 2% Club".

Looks like most of them are headquartered next to the local spudnut franchise, too. As well. Tambien. :yawn:

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The YouTube says "over 100 county sheriffs and peace officers" but, you're right, I count only 52.

And I will bet that many of them are like the speaker -- "Sheriff Dave Mattis is the retired Sheriff of Big Horn County, Wyoming" -- or the organizer -- "former Graham County Arizona Sheriff Richard Mack" -- or are "peace officers" who are not sheriffs at all. Including a few moles, I would be certain.

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If I remember correctly, Mack was aiming for 200. I counted 52 in the photo, a pitifully small number given that there are over 3k sheriffs nationwide and considering how this event was promoted so strongly within that community. Guess that makes them members of the "Less Than 2% Club".

Looks like most of them are headquartered next to the local spudnut franchise, too. As well. Tambien. :yawn:


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