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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:10 am 
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Bogus, I'm more concerned about this little thing...

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At the time, there were conflicting reports that Obama had been born at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, as well as the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children across town. So Adams says his office checked with both facilities.

He just claimed that "his office" checked with both facilities, and neither had a birth there for that. So, if it's true, he violated Federal Privacy laws, such as HIPPA, which would prevent this information from being released without express writen permission from Obama. The Hospital cannot legally confirm nor deny that someone was seen there without the permission of the patient.


This guy can't even keep his story straight.

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"I was working there, and this is what it was. I'm not a lawyer, just a civil servant. I know what I know. I know what I was told by the hospitals and by my supervisors."

At the time, there were conflicting reports that Obama had been born at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, as well as the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children across town. So Adams says his office checked with both facilities.

Tim Adams, the former senior elections clerk for Honolulu, says President Obama was "definitely" not born in Hawaii,and a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not exist in the state.

"They told us, 'We don't have a birth certificate for him,'" he said. "They told my supervisor, either by phone or by e-mail, neither one has a document that a doctor signed off on saying they were present at this man's birth."


Did the hospital tell him or his supervisor? Can he produce the email? Doubtful.

Look at what his job was according to WND:

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Adams oversaw a group of 50 to 60 employees and was responsible for verifying the identity of voters, especially absentee voters.


Why would he be verifying Obama's identity? He's not a voter in Honolulu, Hawaii.

This is just more BS from WND.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:30 am 
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I don't think this guy is done milking this.

Heck... Anita Moncrief has been lying about ACORN for 2 years now. She was fired from ACORN for stealing, but she makes money writing about them now.

She never testified before congress. And, when her lawyer did, she didn't say what she had been saying to the media. Fact is, nobody could substantiate Moncrief's claims.

Doesn't matter. She's a Hatrepreneur. There are a lot of them.

I don't think Timmy is done yet.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:32 am 
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But... I want him to have to say so. And squirm.


I don't think he will say much anymore. I think he'll just fade away. He doesn't seem to have much invested in it. I think he just had a lark.


You're probably right ellie but I'm still pissed off that a Birther had a job w/the C&C of Honolulu. "kalihihaole"? Was he stationed at Fort Shafter? It's funny to think that a skinhead who looks like that would have actually lived in a Kalihi neighborhood. I want to see him squirm too. The faculty at Western Kentucky needs to take a close look at this guy. Can he be trusted by students, if he's already shown such blatant disregard for the confidentiality of government records?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:55 am 
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I don't think Timmy is done yet.


Unless Timmy can produce credible documents to support his allegations or his supervisor supports his allegations, uh yeah, Timmy is done. Not to mention the volumes of less that flattering information regarding this guy on the internet. Of course WND will keep spinning this but only an idiot would believe this BS.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:00 am 
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I cannot imagine any nurse would do this but it appears they did.

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Case Referred To FBI For Possible HIPAA Violations

POSTED: 5:22 pm CST February 25, 2009
UPDATED: 1:46 pm CST February 26, 2009

LAKE GENEVA, Wis. -- Nurses accused of photographing a patient and posting the pictures on the Internet have been fired.


more here: http://www.wisn.com/news/18796315/detail.html

Read the entire story. These nurses deserved to be fired. :shock:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:06 am 
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Of course WND will keep spinning this but only an idiot would believe this BS.


They're birfers. :lol:

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Can he be trusted by students, if he's already shown such blatant disregard for the confidentiality of government records?


Good point! As I said, I don't actually believe that guy did what he said, but students may be concerned about their records. Or should be. After all, who knows what this guy would look into, and who he would tell. ;;)

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The faculty at Western Kentucky needs to take a close look at this guy. Can he be trusted by students, if he's already shown such blatant disregard for the confidentiality of government records?


I agree that the school may want to take a look at this dispicable liar. But what has the school to say about what he does on his own time spinning fictional bullshit tales -- as a fiction writer? Does the school have a policy regarding grad student teaching assistants who show themselves to be complete jerkoffs in their off-time? I don't know.


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When I was in high school in Georgia, I knew several girls -- popular girls, not social pariahs -- who were obsessive about hanging on to their virginity, but who were also quite happy to have oral sex with their boyfriends because everyone colluded in the polite fiction that BJs aren't "real" sex. That was a long time before Ken Starr ever brought the issue front and center.


Oh dear, that last bit reminded me of a broadcast on Flemish television when Flemish author Tom Lanoye talked to a doctor in South Africa. Apparently, Roman Catholic (but perhaps not only RC) girl schools in South Africa are reintroducing virginity tests.

However, in the real world (outside a boarding school) you cannot stop girls aged 15-18 having boy friends and "messing around" - which means that they are going to have anal sex, where the danger of passing on aids is much higher than with normal sex. So, virginity tests help to spread aids. :cry:

On the other hand, I would sure like to know where the (non-southern USA) boundaries are for "messing around", as I do not want to be accused of having had sex with at least 25 women last night and I cannot even remember the faces of half of them (no connection with the preceding paragraph, I hasten to add). I went to a milonga to stop myself being glued to the tv because of the Belgian elections (coming home I was glad to hear the Vlaams Belang scored less than Orly and we may actually get our first overtly homeosexual PM, too bad he may actually be the last Belgian PM as well).

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Of course WND will keep spinning this but only an idiot would believe this BS.

Well, as we know, there's no shortage of idiots residing in the Republic of Birfistan. Timmy's story will just become part of the birther lexicon, passed around right-wing blogs and accepted as gospel without the tiniest bit of examination.

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Doesn't matter. She's a Hatrepreneur. There are a lot of them.

Mr. Anal Language Weenie confers the Werd of the Week Award upon mimi.

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It would be interesting to know more about how Adams' employment ended at the elections office. He said he was in Australia until May 2008 and then started work. He is supposed to have worked there through the end of July 2008. But he also said he was "on leave" from that job in mid-August. Why would anyone get a leave from a temp job, in the first place, and after only working 2-3 months, but also when did it start and why? Did he take leave or was he placed on leave, pending some sort of personnel resolution, such as an investigation?

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How Long Does My Provider Have to Keep My Medical Record?

Hawaiian health care providers (such as medical doctors, surgeons, podiatrists and hospitals) generally must keep your whole medical record for at least seven years after the last time they entered information in your record. Health care providers must keep minors


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I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Obama].


Of course not. You, your boss and your entire office do not have a birth record for anyone.

You only had access to Hawaii voter and motor vehicle records. Nothing else, unless it was public record...

Really, all this jerk has done is lie about what he had access to.

He's telling the truth about not having a BC for President Obama, and the birther interpretation for the hospitals' "we have no information on that" is "we don't have it".

But yeah, I'd like to see him squirm and suffer some consequences for his lies. I hope he has made himself unemployable.

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How Long Does My Provider Have to Keep My Medical Record?

Hawaiian health care providers (such as medical doctors, surgeons, podiatrists and hospitals) generally must keep your whole medical record for at least seven years after the last time they entered information in your record. Health care providers must keep minors

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Why would anyone get a leave from a temp job, in the first place, and after only working 2-3 months, but also when did it start and why?

How does one get "leave" from a temp job? When a temp leaves a job, s/he isn't going on "leave." Either the job is over or they're being replaced by another temp for whatever reason.

My first ever job when I was a teenager was doing data entry at the SE regional IRS office in Atlanta. The job was part-time seasonal work, beginning in January and coming to an end for most of us by June. People with exceptionally nimble fingers and high productivity were often asked to stay on a bit longer, but no one was under any illusion that it was any more than a temporary seasonal position. When it was over, it was over for that year and we sure as hell didn't say we were going on "leave." It was just another temping gig, and we were out the door at the end of it. People who did well might be asked to come back the following tax season, but it was still just low-level government temp work. Timmy's trying to make himself sound more important and more entrenched in his Hawaiian job than he really was, is my bet.

Temps are pretty disposable, really, and having worked for the federal government as one myself for four years, I don't believe any government agency gave Tim Adams the clearance (as a temp) to do the stuff he's claiming, especially as it didn't relate directly to his job.

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I just realized why Orly thinks there is a "big thick birthing file" for the Obamas.

HERS is 5x thicker than normal because she caused herself to have complications, required tons of extra care and threatened to sue everyone so they had to document every detail. :lol:

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What about deceased individuals? Who may access their medical records?

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My father recently died. Do I have the right to get his medical record?

It depends. You have the right to get a deceased person


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Not to mention, the birth certificate is NOT part of the infant's medical record.

I've never even seen any part of it copied. Not even for transports out. It's part of the mother's paperwork until it is sent to the health dept.


Sequoia32,

I have never worked L&D so I wasn't sure regarding your information above. Basically, birth records contain two patient's or individual's medical information--mother and infant.


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He was "on leave" and they were having an investigation of stolen records, about 50 of them, and then he "decides" not to return to that stoopid job, anyway.

Coincidence? Maybe. Employers would be proscribed from mentioning that, non?

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The faculty at Western Kentucky needs to take a close look at this guy. Can he be trusted by students, if he's already shown such blatant disregard for the confidentiality of government records?


I agree that the school may want to take a look at this dispicable liar. But what has the school to say about what he does on his own time spinning fictional bullshit tales -- as a fiction writer? Does the school have a policy regarding grad student teaching assistants who show themselves to be complete jerkoffs in their off-time? I don't know.


I am trying to catch up on this thread, but I was also concerned that any university would hire this "person". From the posts I've read quoted on Pat's blog, the guy cannot spell (or utilize a spellcheck program) or write very well. This is what passes for a TA at Western Kentucky?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:03 am 
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I don't think Timmy is done yet.


Unless Timmy can produce credible documents to support his allegations or his supervisor supports his allegations, uh yeah, Timmy is done. Not to mention the volumes of less that flattering information regarding this guy on the internet. Of course WND will keep spinning this but only an idiot would believe this BS.


So what you mean to say is that as with Lucas Smith and Larry Sinclair, since only a bunch of idiots would believe this BS, we'll be hearing about this BS from birfers from now until the end of birfer history. :-


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We also contacted the University of Western Kentucky and confirmed that Tim Adams had, until this past Spring, worked as a Graduate Assistant in the English Department and did have teaching assignments.

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We also contacted the University of Western Kentucky and confirmed that Tim Adams had, until this past Spring, worked as a Graduate Assistant in the English Department and did have teaching assignments.


I think I saw elsewhere that he isn't teaching there anymore.

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Not to mention, the birth certificate is NOT part of the infant's medical record.

I've never even seen any part of it copied. Not even for transports out. It's part of the mother's paperwork until it is sent to the health dept.


Sequoia32,

I have never worked L&D so I wasn't sure regarding your information above. Basically, birth records contain two patient's or individual's medical information--mother and infant.


I have never seen a "birth record" that contains two patient's or individual's medical information once the cord is cut.

They are separate records. When the mother is readmitted for subsequent births, only her record is retrieved and added to.

Same if a baby gets sick and is readmitted - only the baby record is retrieved.

Separate records each with their own file or patient number.

After we went electronic, same thing - baby gets his/her own record at birth. Of course there will be data in the baby's record concerning the pregnancy and data in mom's concerning mother-baby interaction.

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After we went electronic, same thing - baby gets his/her own record at birth. Of course there will be data in the baby's record concerning the pregnancy and data in mom's concerning mother-baby interaction.


Exactly. However, I would bet the actual "birth records" are part the mother's medical records? Is the medical records of L&D or a C-section included in the infants medical record? Of course, the two overlap.

Prior to L&D performing their own C-sections, they were performed in the OR. The room was very crowded--OB/GYN doc/assist., anesthesiologist or CRNA, scrub nurse, circulating nurse, pediatrician and L&D/newborn nurse, and the Dad sometimes if allowed/desired.


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