Attacks in Norway July 2011

Whatever4 · **Posted:** Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:35 pm

Good video, thanks.

nethps · **Posted:** Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:48 pm

Commentary in a Norwegian newspaper (Dagbladet). I translated it from Norwegian:

Behring Breivik is a Multicultural
Anders Behring Breivik can look himself in the mirror and see the result of multiethnicity and multiculturalism through generations. His Aryan ancestors and foremothers immigrated from Iran (Iran means the land of the Aryans) and India, and brought their Indo-European language and culture. His blonde hair, if it is real, comes from the Baltics. His Christian faith immigrated, as you know, from the Middle East and replaced the more traditional beliefs in Odin and his fellow Norse gods. His food habits come from all over the world, in the same way as the literature he reads and the music he likes.

Enjoying life may be typical of Norwegians, but if he enjoys a nice three-course dinner, he brings along an Arabic tradition. The Arab culture which he fights, has also given him the alphabet he used to spread his twisted beliefs. Our Greek-Latin alphabet was based on early alphabets from Egypt and the Middle East. The same culture has also given him the math that made it possible for him to make the fatal bomb. Even if Breivik has shown the world how you can misuse knowledge, he can’t deny being the result of generations of multiculturalism and multiethnicity.

Multiculturalism gives growth for mutual learning, enriching everybody involved. It is not the same as saying that multicultural encounters are not problematic. Most of us can feel the fear of the unknown, but very few will resort to extreme, violent means. This fear can be big, especially when parts of our faith-based culture and identity are being attacked. In that case, Breivik is a representative of the sad history of conflicts spanning all religions. The last few days’ pictures of pastors and imams side by side in a multicultural funeral service give us hope for a new beginning. As human kind we have a lot more in common that what separates us. And as Norwegians we will be wise to let us inspire by other cultures, so that we in the future can enjoy food, music, and literature we don’t yet know.

A Legal Lohengrin · **Joined:** Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:56 pm **Posts:** 9411

TollandRCR wrote:

Frosty Wooldridge, of News with Views, says that America is turning into a "sludge pot," not the "melting pot" that it once was. Of course, it is Muslims that have caused this (with a little help from "the Mexicans").

TOLERANCE AND DIVERSITY: AMERICA’S ACHILLES HEEL

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Where does that leave the American way of life? Where does that leave European Americans that created the U.S. Constitution? Quite frankly, they will be running for their lives with examples like Detroit, Michigan and Los Angeles, California. They will be driven to create enclaves in the interior of the U.S. while this civilization declines.

So what have these white supremacist scum ever created in the way of enclaves, other than meth-infested trailer parks? Why are all white supremacists "people" who would be a disgrace to any racial group?

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:39 am

Huffington Post April 17, 2012 "Anders Breivik Trial: Suspect Defends Norway Massacre, Insists He Would Do It Again"

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Norwegian gunman Anders Behring Breivik insisted Tuesday he would massacre 77 people all over again, calling his July rampage the most "spectacular" attack by a nationalist militant since World War II.

Reading a prepared statement in court, the anti-Muslim extremist lashed out at Norwegian and European governments for embracing immigration and multiculturalism. He claimed to be speaking as a commander of an anti-Islam militant group he called the Knights Templar – a group that prosecutors say does not exist.

Maintaining he acted out of "goodness, not evil" to prevent a wider civil war, Breivik vowed, "I would have done it again."

Pressed by prosecutors to explain what he meant, he compared his attacks to the U.S. dropping atomic bombs on Japan during World War II.

Co-judge Thomas Indrebø (one of a five-judge panel) was dismissed at the request of all sides for making remarks the day after the massacre that Brevik deserved the death penalty. Norway does not have the death penalty. He was replaced by backup lay judge Elisabeth Wisloeff.

Suranis · **Joined:** Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:04 am **Posts:** 5254

This has been popping up in my yahoo news Inbox and I have to admit its been causing a reaction in my something a kin to pain. I don't want to know about this guy. I don't want to know what is in head. he is a walking wound on humanity and his view is so warped its dangerous. His views should not be broadcast. let him die alone and friendless and with his voice shut down. All that broadcasting his hatred will do is ferment more hate and violence. Nothing good will come from focusing news on this monster.

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:20 am

He wants the news coverage; that and his manifesto may have been the primary reason for the massacre. Like many other haters, he believes that the relevant world is on his side. All he has to do is spark the fire.

I don't know to what extent the Norwegian court will deny him that. I also don't know whether the prosecution will be able to punch holes in all his lies. That could end up doing good.

Suranis · **Joined:** Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:04 am **Posts:** 5254

It's not the prosecution's job to disprove his lies. Its their job to prove him guilty of Murder or that he was insane. That makes a trial a very bad place to punch holes in his warped logic.

Adelante · **Posted:** Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:13 pm

"I would have done it again."

This is enough to lock him away from civilized society for life. I'd still rather he was dead, however.

rosy · **Joined:** Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:36 pm **Posts:** 739

One of the survivors was on the radio here (UK) yesterday saying that she hoped Breivik would be sent to a mental hospital "because he would hate that even more than prison".

I understand (but don't share) the views of those who would like to see him executed. What I would like to see is a life sentence - which I don't think is available in Norway, though I understand his sentence can be extended if he's judged to be a danger to others when he's served the initial term. A life sentence where the people caring for him and guarding him are drawn from the multicultural society he fears, where he's forced to challenge his worldview and where he's prevented from influencing other prisoners.

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:07 pm

Suranis wrote:

It's not the prosecution's job to disprove his lies. Its their job to prove him guilty of Murder or that he was insane. That makes a trial a very bad place to punch holes in his warped logic.

Agreed. It might also be the only available forum. It would be great if Norwegians and others show how insane his thinking is; this might occur in the press rather than in the courtroom.

RTH10260 · **Posted:** Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:20 pm

LL commenter wrote:

Interview with American citizen supporting terrorist Anders Breivik
Kevin Forts from Massachusetts explains why he supports the acts of the Norwegain terrorist Anders Behring Breivik.

Video from : www.liveleak.com

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:39 pm

RTH10260 wrote:

LL commenter wrote:

Kevin Forts from Massachusetts explains why he supports the acts of the Norwegian terrorist Anders Behring Breivik.

Spiegel Online April 18, 2012 Mass Murderer's American Pen Pal: 'I Dream of Meeting Breivik'

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The young man has black hair and a piercing gaze, and poses with his arms behind his back. He wants to appear decisive and courageous for the photographer. His parents and friends have tried to dissuade him from taking this step, says Kevin Forts from Worcester in the US state of Massachusetts. "But I want to, so that I can represent the views of Anders Breivik that have otherwise been demonized by the mass media," the 23-year-old told* reporters from the Norwegian tabloid VG, the country's most-read newspaper.

In a major story the newspaper reveals that Forts shares the views of mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik. "I represent a nationalist alternative, just like Breivik," he says. Forts writes letters to the assassin and exchanges ideas with him. As proof he shows off one letter the mass murderer wrote him from his prison cell.

Breivik praises the somewhat haggard looking American. VG quotes from the letter Breivik reportedly sent to Forts, in which he writes: "I have received letters from supporters in 20 countries, but you appear to be someone who can write well. Yes, I am absolutely interested in discussing ideological issues with you and am thinking about how we can work together."

It could be a craving for attention that is now pushing the young American into the public eye. Since the attacks of July 22, 2011, the right-wing, anti-Islam scene has largely retreated from the digital public sphere. Its protagonists, who until then had used the Internet for regular exchanges, have rushed to distance themselves from Breivik's acts. Chief among them is Fjordman, a Norwegian blogger, who until the killings had regularly exchanged ideas with Breivik and is considered to be a kind of ideological mentor to him. "It should be painfully obvious by now that Breivik does not care for anything greater than himself," the anti-Islam author wrote in his blog of the ongoing trial this week.

borealis · **Posted:** Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:44 pm

Absolutely chilling. Makes you worry that more of our government leaders may fall to these hateful people. :cry:

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:57 pm

Although Breivik did attack in Oslo, his main thrust was at the heart of Norway: the children. Most of us consider an attack of any kind on children to be inconceivable and reprehensible (although we may accept the killing of children as "collateral damage" in war). The theft of 69 lives on Utøya Island was designed to be as cruel as possible on the sick notion that this would garner him attention. That is why this is about more than a criminal trial: it is also about combating evil ideas.

They are there to combat. For a short while, there was a neo-Nazi clothing store in Chemnitz, Germany, that was named Brevik. The similarity in names was intentional.

borealis · **Posted:** Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:02 pm

TollandRCR wrote:

Although Breivik did attack in Oslo, his main thrust was at the heart of Norway: the children. Most of us consider an attack of any kind on children to be inconceivable and reprehensible (although we may accept the killing of children as "collateral damage" in war). The theft of 69 lives on Utøya Island was designed to be as cruel as possible on the sick notion that this would garner him attention. That is why this is about more than a criminal trial: it is also about combating evil ideas.

They are there to combat. For a short while, there was a neo-Nazi clothing store in Chemnitz, Germany, that was named Brevik. The similarity in names was intentional.

Thought anything remotely as well as obviously "Nazi" was outlawed in Germany. Was this changed?

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:17 pm

borealis wrote:

Thought anything remotely as well as obviously "Nazi" was outlawed in Germany. Was this changed?

I had had that impression as well. However, neo-Nazis do march in the streets, and they do wear "Nazi clothing." There is a chain that caters to them. Chemnitz is in Saxony, which has eight members of the National Democratic Party in its Parliament. I cannot discern a difference between the NDP and neo-Nazis. Wikipedia has a safely accessible article; many Google hits are to places that I would not go

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:40 am

Reuters April 26, 2012 Tens of thousands protest at Norway Breivik trial

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Up to 40,000 Norwegians staged an emotionally-charged sing-along in Oslo on Thursday near the court house where Anders Behring Breivik is on trial for the murder of 77 people in a protest organizers said showed he had not broken their tolerant society.

"It's we who win," said guitar-strumming folk singer Lillebjoern Nilsen as he led the mass sing-along and watched the crowd sway gently in the rain. Many held roses above their heads, and some wept.

The protest followed several days of defiant testimony from Breivik who has admitted he killed his victims in a blood soaked attack on Norway's multicultural society, but denied criminal guilt, saying he did so in self-defense.

The crowd chose to sing a song - "Children of the Rainbow" - that extols the type of multicultural society Breivik has said he despised and one that he specifically dismissed during the trial as Marxist propaganda.

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Children of the Rainbow, lyrics

A sky full of stars, blue sea as far as you can see
An earth where flowers grow, can you wish for more?
Together shall we live, every sister, brother, you and me
Young children of the rainbow, a fertile land and seashore

Some think it is useless, others waste time just talking
Some believe we can live on plastics and synthetic food
Some steal from the youngsters, who are sent out for fighting
Several steal from the many, which are still backward and crude

A sky full of stars, blue sea as far as you can see
An earth where flowers grow, can you wish for more?
Together shall we live, every sister, brother, you and me
Young children of the rainbow, a fertile land and seashore

But tell all the kids, and say it to fathers and mothers every[where]
To share peace and the earth, this is our last opportunity
A sky full of stars, blue sea as far as you can see
An earth where flowers grow, can you wish for more?

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:25 pm

This statement by some 40,000 people is the beginning of a powerful answer to the haters of the world. I think it will be more important than whatever verdict the court renders for Breivik.

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:20 am

The trial of Anders Breivik is over. The fate of the murderer of 77 people, most of them teenagers, will be decided by the Oslo District Court. It may send him to prison, or it may decide that Breivik is criminally insane and sentence him to long term psychiatric care. Breivik described his acts as barbarous and gruesome but claimed that they were political acts.

BBC News June 24, 2012 Anders Breivik trial: A 10-week ordeal by Steve Rosenberg

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Words. The power of words. That's what I'll remember most about this trial.

Over 10 weeks, so many terrifying words have been spoken in Courtroom 250; the words of coroners in the 77 autopsy reports; detailed descriptions of how victims were hunted down and shot; words of pain from their families.

Words which journalists covering the trial have had to type, tweet, despatch and broadcast to the world.

It was often the simplest words which proved to be the most upsetting. Like the brief messages from victims' families which followed each coroner's report.

Rosenberg says that the words -- of Breivik, of those who were targeted but were not killed, of the families of the victims -- lay in his mind like bombs, detonating when he was back home or in a hotel. He describes seeing reporters typing up their notes, many of them doing so in tears. He wonders what effect those words had on the families of the victims and on near-victims if they had so great an effect on him.

White roses with messages were left outside court, to commemorate the victims

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:19 am

Breivik engaged in a monologue at the end of the trial in which he defended his actions as "preventive attacks to defend the indigenous Norwegian people." He said that he would be vindicated by history. The Associated Press article may be read here: Breivik ends massacre trial by defending attacks.

The Oslo court is now deciding whether Breivik should be imprisoned or treated for criminal insanity. I wonder if this smiling face tells us anything about the man:

Edit: The Oslo court is expected to issue its verdict on August 24.

A Legal Lohengrin · **Joined:** Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:56 pm **Posts:** 9411

TollandRCR wrote:

The Oslo court is now deciding whether Breivik should be imprisoned or treated for criminal insanity.

Personally, I prefer insanity. He isn't going to be executed in any event, and there would be no greater humiliation for him than to be written off as nothing but a sick lunatic.

Unfortunately, the court is obligated to follow the law.

In considering the death penalty, cases like Breivik make it a tough call. I would also find it tough to fault anyone who gunned this piece of shit down in the streets, or stomped him to death behind bars.

This person is really a human cancer, who defiles the world just by being in it. It is hard to argue we would not be better off without such a person alive. Of course, as a dead martyr, he would be just as dangerous, if not more.

All Breivik did is take the rhetoric of the RWNJs and hatemongers to its logical conclusion. He is exactly what the Gellers of the world want.

listeme · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:39 am

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Personally, I prefer insanity. He isn't going to be executed in any event, and there would be no greater humiliation for him than to be written off as nothing but a sick lunatic.

I do as well. He desperately wants to be treated as a heroic figure.

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:35 pm

A Legal Lohengrin wrote:

...All Breivik did is take the rhetoric of the RWNJs and hatemongers to its logical conclusion. He is exactly what the Gellers of the world want.

On July 31, 2011, Geller wrote a column that confirms your point.

Atlas Shrugs Summer Camp? Antisemitic Indoctrination Training Center

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The day of the Norway shooting, I was blindsided by one of the survivor's statements to the press immediately after the shooting ... ["Some of my friends tried to stop him by talking to him. Many people thought that it was a test ... comparing it to how it is to live in Gaza." Eyewitness statement the day of the shooting. (ABC News).] It was so outside the box, I thought it was the kneejerk response of an anti-semite in shock. I didn't blog on it because I thought it anecdotal, badly anecdotal. But the more that is revealed about that youth indoctrination center, the more grotesque the whole story becomes. Of course, the genocidal leftists will twist what I write here; I am not condoning the slaughter in Norway or anywhere. I abhor violence (except in regard to self defense). But the jihad-loving media never told us what antisemitic war games they were playing on that island. Utoya Island is a Communist/Socialist campground, and they clearly had a pro-Islamic agenda.

Only the malevolent media could use the euphemism summer camp and get away with it.

The slaughter was horrific. What these kids were being taught and instructed to do was a different kind of grotesque. There is no justification for Breivik's actions whatsoever. There is also no justification for Norway's antisemitism and demonization of Israel.

She proceeds to quote "Anti-Mullah's" screed on the true nature of the summer camp: it was intended to train future Labour Party leaders in pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel strategy and tactics.

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:57 pm

HuffPost Aug. 24, 2012 "Anders Behring Breivik, Norway Killer, 'Apologizes' For Not Killing More People"

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Prosecutors had asked for an insanity ruling, which Breivik rejected as an attempt to deflate his radical anti-Muslim views. He smiled with apparent satisfaction when the five-judge panel declared him sane and sentenced him to a 21-year prison sentence that can be extended for as long as he's considered dangerous to society. Legal experts say that likely means he will be locked up for life.

"He has killed 77 people, most of them youth, who were shot without mercy, face to face. The cruelty is unparalleled in Norwegian history," Judge Arne Lyng said. "This means that the defendant even after serving 21 years in prison would be a very dangerous man."

In his final words, Breivik regretted not killing more people, apologizing to other "militant nationalists" for not achieving an even higher death toll. He said he wouldn't appeal the ruling because that would "legitimize" a court he said got its mandate from a political system that supports multiculturalism.

borealis · **Posted:** Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:32 pm

Brevik is true evil incarnate just Like bin Laden. He is no better and no worse.

Falsehoods unchallenged only fester and grow.

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