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Of course, the next paragraph turns the whole idea on its head.

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It says nothing about the legal validity of the record on file. If the birth record they have on file is a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth that uses comments written on bubblegum wrappers for evidence of the claims – Onaka would STILL have to say that a record exists and that the claims on Obama's posted longform match the claims on the record they've got...

Blah, blah, birtherbutterblah.


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The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era.


Thus the certification would show late registration. It does not. Nor would it have been signed by the attending physician a few days after his birth.

Nope Butter is totally off base here as well

see also HRS 338-029.5

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(b) Certificates of death, fetal death, marriage, or divorce registered one year or more after the date of occurrence shall be marked "late" and shall show on the face the date of the late registration.

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Not too far from reality but what's more interesting about him, to me at least, is he's another one making a deal out his membership of Mensa. There's got to be a psych thesis on people like him or Sammy Sewell who feel the need to formalise their smarts.


All I know is I've viewed "I'm in Mensa" as synonymous with "I'm a moron" for decades.

Back when I was an Internet troll in the '80s, the easiest trollbait fora were Mensa. There was no troll, no matter how obvious, that would not get a million frothing responses from those morons.

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I was also a little confuzzled by the whole sleeper cells taking over in every capitol city in the country...... :shock:


I too am confuzzled. Will the inhabitants of every city and town follow their new alQueda overlords since they took over their City Halls and County Administrative buildings.

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I was also a little confuzzled by the whole sleeper cells taking over in every capitol city in the country...... :shock:


I too am confuzzled. Will the inhabitants of every city and town follow their new alQueda overlords since they took over their City Halls and County Administrative buildings.



Are you sure you're not talking about the Tea Party and not Al Queda? This sounds exactly like its MO. Walking in as write-in precinct committeemen, moving to districts where the democrat incumbents remains unopposed and intimidate the GOP powers-that-be into slating your candidate for the general election, sneak into the back door of the library, college, village and township boards. The poisonous grass roots of the Tea Party are causing the strong GOP grass to wither. The Tea Party is not GOP. It is nothing but a wicked insane political bastard.

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borealis wrote:

Are you sure you're not talking about the Tea Party and not Al Queda? This sounds exactly like its MO. Walking in as write-in precinct committeemen, moving to districts where the democrat incumbents remains unopposed and intimidate the GOP powers-that-be into slating your candidate for the general election, sneak into the back door of the library, college, village and township boards. The poisonous grass roots of the Tea Party are causing the strong GOP grass to wither. The Tea Party is not GOP. It is nothing but a wicked insane political bastard.


The tea party [the traitors don't get caps] is the biggest enemy of the United States right now. They are determined to destroy our current government and bleed it dry, leaving us all to suffer. It disgusts me that these seditionists hide behind the Constitution and call themselves patriots, while in the same breath they advocate hanging our sitting president from the gallows.

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I almost feel sorry for Utterly. So many nuanced and intricate layers built to deny the obvious, she's having a real problem weaving this new and unequivocal declaration into her madness. I suspect a HAL9000 moment might be imminent.

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A Legal Lohengrin wrote:
All I know is I've viewed "I'm in Mensa" as synonymous with "I'm a moron" for decades.

Back when I was an Internet troll in the '80s, the easiest trollbait fora were Mensa. There was no troll, no matter how obvious, that would not get a million frothing responses from those morons.


Mensa is the 'red corvette' for those with no interest in sex.

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jtmunkus wrote:
Of course, the next paragraph turns the whole idea on its head.

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It says nothing about the legal validity of the record on file. If the birth record they have on file is a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth that uses comments written on bubblegum wrappers for evidence of the claims – Onaka would STILL have to say that a record exists and that the claims on Obama's posted longform match the claims on the record they've got...

Blah, blah, birtherbutterblah.


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The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era.


Thus the certification would show late registration. It does not. Nor would it have been signed by the attending physician a few days after his birth.

Nope Butter is totally off base here as well

see also HRS 338-029.5

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(b) Certificates of death, fetal death, marriage, or divorce registered one year or more after the date of occurrence shall be marked "late" and shall show on the face the date of the late registration.


Aah, but you have to note that butternutter believes that one of the key reasons for the "forgery" was to cover up the fact that it was late and amended (that is, the "forgery" is identical to the one in the archives except they removed the "late" and "amended" from it). So she has an explanation for this.

One of her favorite theories was that due to some sort of embarrassing or ineligibility-inducing information on the original birth certificate, President Obama (candidate Obama at the time) rushed to Hawaii before the CoLB was released and amende his birth records to put in the current data, replacing whatever was there (no hospital, different father, Kenya, who knows what). This was done to allow the DOH to keep its hands "clean" by never actually lying ("Yes, the data on the certificate matches what we have!").

Her evidence that the certificate was amended is essentially first, that they've neve denied it whenever they've made statements about the BC - despite not actually being asked. She seems to have this belief that the DoH should instead say "This is a non-amended birth certificate" every time they say something rather than "This is a birth certificate." Second, she tried contacting the DOH herself asking if it had been amended or late, and she says they refused to answer, which she takes as evidence that they didn't want to say "No it has not" and be caught in a lie, rather than accept that they may not have told her because other people's records are none of her business.

Those two things she believes have "indirectly confirmed" to her that it HAS been amended and WAS filed late, and she this parses all other statements and documents from the DoH (like this "unverified verification") from that poin of view.

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"we are all breitbart now"

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I have an article that lays it all out very clearly. Unfortunately, the day that a well-known editor asked me to finish the draft of it, he became ill and has been ill ever since - about 2 weeks now. Days later I became sick as well and am undergoing tests right now to find out what’s going on. What I am experiencing is very similar to what I experienced when I made contact with the counsel for Terry Lakin (regarding evidence that Obama’s HI BC is AMENDED and thus not legally valid) - one day before the sheathing for the wiring in my husband’s car was either cut or “decayed” uniformly...

Like Sheriff Joe, I never asked to be on the front lines of the battle with Obama’s criminality. I just wanted the HDOH to say in clear terms to me what everybody was claiming they had already said in a public announcement. It was their lawless and/or criminal responses instead which put me in the position I’m in now.


"I just wanted the HDOH to say in clear terms to me" = a battle the hdoh will never win ...

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Good to know that the corrupt criminal conspiracy which assassinated Breitbart with a heart attack dart has decided to silence butterbutt by giving her a cold.

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Good to know that the corrupt criminal conspiracy which assassinated Breitbart with a heart attack dart has decided to silence butterbutt by giving her a cold.


makes one wonder how soros' keystone kommies ever managed to pull off the breitbart hit ...

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Good to know that the corrupt criminal conspiracy which assassinated Breitbart with a heart attack dart has decided to silence butterbutt by giving her a cold.


makes one wonder how soros' keystone kommies ever managed to pull off the breitbart hit ...


It was a proportionate response. :D


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HI State Registrar, Alvin Onaka, just indirectly confirmed to AZ SOS Ken Bennett that the birth record they have for Obama is not legally valid, so Hawaii does NOT vouch for the claim that Obama was born in HI to BHO and Stanley Ann on Aug 4, 1961.



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HI State Registrar, Alvin Onaka, just indirectly confirmed to AZ SOS Ken Bennett that the birth record they have for Obama is not legally valid, so Hawaii does NOT vouch for the claim that Obama was born in HI to BHO and Stanley Ann on Aug 4, 1961.


"indirectly confirmed" = step two:



Edit: added to the birfer dictionary

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Butterbuns:

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HI State Registrar, Alvin Onaka, just indirectly confirmed to AZ SOS Ken Bennett that the birth record they have for Obama is not legally valid, so Hawaii does NOT vouch for the claim that Obama was born in HI to BHO and Stanley Ann on Aug 4, 1961.



Aah, my favorite part about butterdezillion - the old "indirect confirmation." Anything and everything she wants to be true, can be true, by means of indirect confirmation from people that didn't say what she wanted wasn't true despite not being asked in the first place.

Onaka says "The information matches our records."

butterdezillion thinks: "He didn't say the records were valid records, just that they were records. Thus they have indirectly confirmed that they must be invalid records."

Onaka says "We can't comply with your request to release records to you, butterdezillion, because you are not authorized under Hawaii law to receive them."

butterdezillion thinks: "They said I'm not authorized to receive records, but didn't specifically say the records existed. Therefore, they have indirectly confirmed that the records do not exist at all."

You can "indirectly prove" practically anything.

"Here's my driver's license."

"Well, you didn't say it was a VALID driver's license, therefore, it must be fraudulent!"

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Maybe Butter thinks if they could just get Onaka on the stand, he would blink "Help Me" in Morse Code.


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Maybe Butter thinks if they could just get Onaka on the stand, he would blink "Help Me" in Morse Code.


The oddity to me is that she seems to believe the point of this indirect confirmation is to make statements in such a way as to avoid prosecution for perjury or fraud or the like after the Birthers Win Over The Great Usurper (whether he's making them to Stand Up For The Usurper or because he's "Being Threatened By His Goons", either way). That if he gets on the stand and says "I said that all the information on the published BC equals that on the records in our files, but I never said those records were valid!" that he has an ironclad "Get-out-of-jail-free" defense, but that people like butterdezillion are just too smart to fall for it and see through the statements.

It's like the driver's license example I did earlier. If I get pulled over and hand my license to the cop, and say "Here's my license" and he finds out somehow it is fake, my reply of "Hahaha I didn't say it was a REAL license!" is not going to get me out of trouble.

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It's like the driver's license example I did earlier. If I get pulled over and hand my license to the cop, and say "Here's my license" and he finds out somehow it is fake, my reply of "Hahaha I didn't say it was a REAL license!" is not going to get me out of trouble.

Well, exactly. But let's say hypothetically that Onaka was sending sekrit messages. Butterdezillion is posting them on the interwebs where anyone, including the conspirators who assassinated Breitbart with a heart attack dart, can read. Strangely, Onaka has been registrar for years and been sending these messages and hasn't had to "retire for health reasons." Strangely, Butterdezillion has been targeted not with a heart attack dart but with electrical problems with her van and a mysterious illness which is not just a cold.

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So BZ really thinks that she has caught the attention of Obama and Soros and whomever, huh? Interesting malady some of these birfers have.

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Soros and Obama seem to have all kinds of darts. If they're so worried about Butter, why would they just hit her with the sick dart when it was sooooo easy to off Breitbart with the heart attack dart?

They must have gotten Major Cook with the pancreatic cancer dart. Terry Lakin was more trouble than Major Cook, but he didn't get a sick dart, a cancer dart or a heart attack dart. He didn't even get the lose-his-medical-license dart. All he got was the Leavenworth dart.

You know, people keep saying Orly's going off the deep end. Maybe they already got her with the crazy dart. :-k


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But what 'zillion say IS true! The information that Onaka provided is in no way a substitute for a real certified copy of a birth certificate. Long or short form.

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Maybe Butter thinks if they could just get Onaka on the stand, he would blink "Help Me" in Morse Code.


A reasonable expectation, from a registrar who signs his name with a smiley face. :-bd

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More drivel and insanity from ButterButt (qu'elle suprise), hse not even attempting to mask her totalitarian, outright racist and fascist views now.

Now it appears essential that "We The Peeeeple" create us some Nuremberg laws to "manage" them dirty mooslems don'cha know.

Another thing I feel very, very strongly about is that we need to officially recognize that when Muslims become 10% of the population they are required to become enemies of the US Constitution. So no religious guarantees extend to Muslims once they reach that point, and in order to secure religious liberty for the Muslims we have to ensure that they never get even close to 10% of the population. We need to closely monitor the Muslim population - birth rates, death rates, conversion rates, illegal immigration rates, etc... so we can only allow as many Muslims (religious refugees from countries where they are being persecuted, preferably) as will keep the total percentage well under 10%.

Oh and while we're at it what about something like a....Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service, I know , lets call it the "Gesetz zur Wiederherstellung des Berufsbeamtentums", kinda catchy......After all who wants those suspicious darkies in the gubmint

Anyone who favors the institution of sharia in America needs to be banned from government work of any kind. Sharia is diametrically opposed to the US Constitution.

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Anyone who favors the institution of sharia in America needs to be banned from government work of any kind. Sharia is diametrically opposed to the US Constitution.

Actually, folks like Butterbutt are jealous. They screech about the evil of sharia law all the while wanting their evangelical equivalent to be imposed here in the USA. Welch dragon posted this "mission statement" for the Institue on the Constitution in the Derek Howell thread yesterday.

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What I am saying is that the promotion of evolution is an act of disloyalty to America


http://www.theamericanview.com/2011/11/evolution-is-anti-american/

'nuff said.

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So, is Ole ButterButt going to come up with some speshul mark of the beast for Da Ebil Mooslems, 'cause of course they be all wiley and sneaky.

And what about them damn libural progressives who might get into miscegenation and marry in/out/shake it all about...? Better make sure they get tagged too, they ain't real 'Murkans either.

Ya know, letting these sneaky ebil mooslems just wander around willy-nilly just ain't gonna cut it, ya knows they'll just try and hide amongst real 'Murkans, better make sure we can eye-dent-ify 'em like Gods Shurrif, Saint Joe does with the other ones.

Better make sure they has some of them eye-dent-ity papers that that Usurperator doesn't have according to Madame Orly.

Trouble is they'll still try and weasel themselves out from under, better make sure Good God Fear'n 'Merkans can keep an eye on 'em. I knowz, lets make them their own speshul place to live in, it'll be just like going to camp.......

Feck I hate her and all her ilk

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