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But, their crazy theory is that when Obama is found to be disqualified everything he's done -- everything -- will be unwound and deemed null and void. Among those things are the bankruptcies of GM and Chrysler/Cerebrus.

Ouch. Well, that's interesting information.... My brain hurts. :shock:


Donofrio's CarCo case is similar to Purpura's ACA case - that since the President is not eligible due to Vattel/Kenya/whatever you want to claim, any legislation that he signed or that was otherwise enacted is void, and the courts should just declare it so. Sure, they threw in a bunch of non-birther stuff in too (they did the whole kitchen sink), but the reality is Donofrio wouldn't have been involved without the birther angle.

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They never actually threw in any birfery stuff. They talked about it in the beginning but never did. As bob observed on 1/26/11 here

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This case was so obviously frivolous that birfer stuff might have actually improved it.


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They never actually threw in any birfery stuff. They talked about it in the beginning but never did.


They never got that far, but it was part of the plan, according to Donofrio. Their first problem was that by the time they took the case, it had already been decided and the time limit for appeal had run out. Step one was to show "fraud upon the court", which could void the Court's previous judgment and thus let them re-litigate the case.

Step one did not go well for the law firm of Donofrio and Pidgeon. Their argument of fraud upon the court was utterly frivolous. Face-planting as they did on step one, they never got to re-litigate the case and introduce their birther theories.

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We need some "qualifying rules" for this contest - I didn't follow the Donofrio/Pidgeon case that they were sanctioned in, but it wasn't a birther case, was it? Yes, they are birthers, but does it count if it's not a birther case? I believe CEL3 had a sanction higher than $127k (and I think his was a real penalty/sanction, not just awarding opposing attorney fees), but again - not in a birther case (and pre-dating his birther activities a little bit). Does that count?


I hold that Donofrio and Pidgeon's work, on the matter of Old Carco LLC, meets reasonable qualifying rules for being a birther case. While it is true that Donofrio and Pidgeon, to use AnitaMaria's phrase, "never actually threw in any birfery stuff", the absence of birfery stuff was not their plan nor really even their choice. They just failed before they got that far. It was an Obama eligibility case to them and to many other birthers. Hmmm... well... I don't really know how many birthers followed it, but as bladebryan on freerepublic I got responses that clearly showed familiarity with case.

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It was an Obama eligibility case to them and to many other birthers. Hmmm... well... I don't really know how many birthers followed it, but as bladebryan on freerepublic I got responses that clearly showed familiarity with case.

Donofrio and the Pidge told anyone who would listen it would be a birther case; "quo warranto" was said a lot. All the usual birther blogs breathlessly repeated whatever they were told. So it was rather funny when D&P filed the pleadings and there was nary a birther claim in it.

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If the Pidge ends up in the Washington Court System - State Cases are heard in my county. I might just chat with my fellows at the courthouse about setting up a little shop for me. The IT guys at county don't have the best equipment, but with a little help from 'other sources' .... We can try....

Heck, I haven't been selected for a juror in quite some time....maybe my turn will come up with the Pidge if it ends up a jury trial in Thurston County Superior Court. =)) =)) =)) =))

Engage :lol:

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If the Pidge ends up in the Washington Court System - State Cases are heard in my county. I might just chat with my fellows at the courthouse about setting up a little shop for me. The IT guys at county don't have the best equipment, but with a little help from 'other sources' .... We can try....

Heck, I haven't been selected for a juror in quite some time....maybe my turn will come up with the Pidge if it ends up a jury trial in Thurston County Superior Court. =)) =)) =)) =))

Engage :lol:

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I live in the same county as Pidgeon (Snohomish). I would have to recuse myself as a juror in any case that Pidgeon was involved in, simply due to the fact I think he's pond scum.

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I live in the same county as Pidgeon (Snohomish). I would have to recuse myself as a juror in any case that Pidgeon was involved in, simply due to the fact I think he's pond scum.


Hey now, pond scum can actually be useful, unlike Pidgeon.

Pond scum libel!

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Like a phoenix from some ashes (or something):

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RED ALERT! DOMESTIC TERRORIST SLEEPER CEll IDENTIFIED IN AURORA SHOOTING CELLPHONE VIDEO.

The Natural Born Citizen Blog is retired.

My new blog is http://darkknighttruth.wordpress.com.

I am writing there as Dark Knight Oracle.


http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com ... one-video/

Nuttier than a fruitcake. :P


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Like a phoenix from some ashes (or something):

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RED ALERT! DOMESTIC TERRORIST SLEEPER CEll IDENTIFIED IN AURORA SHOOTING CELLPHONE VIDEO.

The Natural Born Citizen Blog is retired.

My new blog is http://darkknighttruth.wordpress.com.

I am writing there as Dark Knight Oracle.


http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com ... one-video/

Nuttier than a fruitcake. :P


But, but, he's got John Does in there! :lol:

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Like a phoenix from some ashes (or something):


Apparently the ashes are from a crack pipe.

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:evil:

I hope those people named sue the ever-lovin' shit out of him. What a worthless waste of oxygen.


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There is at least a small group of idiots who are into the idea that the Aurora theater massacre was a government plot, Leo among them. There is also the idea that four shooters were involved at the Sikh temple, again a government plot. Then there are the 9/11 and 7/7 conspiracy theorists. A major theme on conspiracy sites today is that the U.S. will be put under martial law in October, following a financial crisis, and that UN troops are already positioned to enforce it. This combination of fear and hatred comes out of something in the culture, not just out of the delusions of mental illness.

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The wonderful Freep poster Danae, otherwise known as Diana Cotter, crawled out of a self-imposed exile to start a thread linking to Leo's blog at freerepublic last night. That thread was deleted after being subject to much ridicule by other posters.

I invite you to take a minute to think about how bat shit insane something has to be to be pulled from Freep.


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Gawker July 23, 2012 Here Are the Most Insane Aurora Shooting Conspiracy Theories

Then Leo came along.

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The purpose and content of this blog will avoid all conspiracy theories. We are not defending James Holmes, not are we convinced of his guilt. In this country, a man is, by law, presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Every citizen is entitled to this presumption under law, regardless of the depravity of crimes alleged. Without the presumption, our system of justice will fail.



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The purpose and content of this blog will avoid all conspiracy theories. We are not defending James Holmes, not are we convinced of his guilt. In this country, a man is, by law, presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Every citizen is entitled to this presumption under law, regardless of the depravity of crimes alleged. Without the presumption, our system of justice will fail.


Except, I guess, the President of the United States, huh Leo?

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There is at least a small group of idiots who are into the idea that the Aurora theater massacre was a government plot, Leo among them. There is also the idea that four shooters were involved at the Sikh temple, again a government plot. Then there are the 9/11 and 7/7 conspiracy theorists. A major theme on conspiracy sites today is that the U.S. will be put under martial law in October, following a financial crisis, and that UN troops are already positioned to enforce it. This combination of fear and hatred comes out of something in the culture, not just out of the delusions of mental illness.


Yeah, unless the specific conspiracy wanders off into rather bizarre conjecture (e.g., Justin Bieber was secretly responsible), there's little reason to assume mental illness. Rather, the tendency towards these sorts of conspiracies is far more likely driven by a base fear of the world as a disorganized and chaotic place.

The Aurora massacre, the Sikh temple shooting, 9/11, 7/7...these were all senseless horrors, carried out by utter nobodies. For some people, rather than accept the senselessness of the events, they're internally compelled to believe that there must be SOME sense of order behind them. It's uncomfortable to believe that a theater of Batman fans could be shot up by some schmuck, or that the US intelligence agencies simply could have missed spotting the 9/11 plot in advance. For some people, it's actually more comforting to believe that there's a greater order out there, that the Batman shooting wasn't random, that 9/11 wasn't missed, even if that means believing that there are evil and nefarious organizations with Illuminati-style schemes.

In other words, for the conspiracist, it's more comforting to believe that someone evil is in charge than to accept that NO ONE is.

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Then there is the grossly cruel assertion that Aurora was just a hoax. ALL THE EVIDENCE BEHIND WHY I BELIEVE NO ONE DIED AT THE THEATER by Jim Stone.
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If you listen to the mainstream press, and even the alternative press, both state that people died at the bat man shooting. I now believe that people probably did die, but not at the theater. I believe that a drill took place at the theater, and inconvenient people the government wanted eliminated were murdered elsewhere and blamed on the bat man shooting. This is in contrast with my earlier posts, where I believed no one died at all. But new evidence has surfaced which includes the nurse who drowned in a lake near her home after tending the injuries of one or more of the victims. Regardless of what you have been told about bird shot, bloody little girls, people hitting the floor, etc take a look at what is here, and consider the evidence. First, the easy stuff. At no point did we ever get any CCD footage out of the theater. None for the emergency exit, none from inside the screening room, none from the lobby, none from the parking lot, we got NADA. None from a cell phone cam, absolutely NOTHING. Furthermore, the theater was a very nice modern theater which would have had those things in working order, and what about the mall itself? No footage from the mall either? Think about that. Why not? On top of that, we got no pictures after the fact from the inside of the theater. NONE, NADA. No bullet holes, no gas canisters, no shell casings, no blood on the floor, NOTHING. Why not? On the outside of the theater, in the back, there was blood on the sidewalk. But there is one problem with it. First and foremost, the spatters were CLEAN. NO FOOTSTEPS in them. People with some exposure to forensics who have posted on my forum have said that at crime scenes the blood ALWAYS has footprints in it, because it is impossible to stay away from it. Purportedly the blood on the ground was from someone carrying the little girl. In that case, whoever was carrying her would have stepped in the blood while carrying her, leaving bloody footprints and there were NONE. Furthermore, the blood spatters lead TOWARD the emergency exit, not away from it. The only way these two things could coincide is if a setup team laid the blood scene out and screwed up doing it. This scene could have happened as photographed only if the blood was in a container at the end of a handle, keeping whoever was dumping it on the sidewalk far enough away to not get it on themselves or walk in it. Stupid as they were, they started in the parking lot and worked their way toward the door, rather than starting at the door and working their way out into the parking lot. It's obvious in the following two photos.

(no, it's not obvious)

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In other words, for the conspiracist, it's more comforting to believe that someone evil is in charge than to accept that NO ONE is.


Yep. I understand that wish, honestly. It's not even all that irrational. We want to be safe, and we want the world set up in a sensible way. There may be beauty in chaos, but there is no safety in it. Most of us, though, have figured this out by the time we're grownups.

Even still, I know I've had times when it's been tempting to look for bigger patterns in the mess of info out there. Surely SOMEONE must be behind _______ or surely there's someone pulling strings or whatever. Human nature, probably.

Anyway, I don't sympathize with them. I just understand some of what drives conspiracists, because I think it's an extension (or misfiring) of some fairly normal human characteristics. They, however, do not understand what drives rational people :mrgreen:

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In other words, for the conspiracist, it's more comforting to believe that someone evil is in charge than to accept that NO ONE is.
Yep. I understand that wish, honestly. It's not even all that irrational. We want to be safe, and we want the world set up in a sensible way ... I've had times when it's been tempting to look for bigger patterns in the mess of info out there. Surely SOMEONE must be behind _______ or surely there's someone pulling strings or whatever. Human nature, probably.

I've carried one of those around for years. When I became a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer, there were 6 tests I had to pass. I passed the first five easily, but on the sixth one they asked me a number of questions that were not in the study materials. I tried to memorize those questions and found answers to them by searching, but the second time I took the test there were MORE questions that weren't in the materials. I had paid about $4,000 for the training and the official study materials from Microsoft, but they were fucking with me. I finally bought a big book just about the subject of that one test, read that, and passed. But I was seriously ticked for all these years. I thought they knew I had already passed 5 tests easily, so they made the 6th one so hard that I'd never be able to pass it. They could even set up the software to do that automatically; you take the test online, communicating with Microsoft HQ.

Then I took another test last spring, and they did the same damn thing: Asked questions that are not in any study materials (I have three books, and none of them had the answers in them).

In the last couple weeks I went to check out a computer school near here, and I told the guy I talked to about it. He burst out laughing, and said it wasn't really an ebil plot against the poor ol' rooster who everybody loves to kick around whenever they're bored or havin' a bad day. He said Microsoft doesn't want people to pass just from studying -- they want you to spend some time DOING the things that they teach, so they can make sure you really have the talent or knowledge or whatever.

But it was great hating Microsoft all these years because they had messed with me! \:D/ :-bd

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In the last couple weeks I went to check out a computer school near here, and I told the guy I talked to about it. He burst out laughing, and said it wasn't really an ebil plot against the poor ol' rooster who everybody loves to kick around whenever they're bored or havin' a bad day. He said Microsoft doesn't want people to pass just from studying -- they want you to spend some time DOING the things that they teach, so they can make sure you really have the talent or knowledge or whatever.

But it was great hating Microsoft all these years because they had messed with me! \:D/ :-bd


Microsoft is notorious for this. I think it's a scam to get you having to take the last test over and over after you've already dumped the money into the first tests and can't afford to back out.

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Even still, I know I've had times when it's been tempting to look for bigger patterns in the mess of info out there. Surely SOMEONE must be behind _______ or surely there's someone pulling strings or whatever. Human nature, probably.


most definitely it is an elemental or precursory characteristic of intelligence: the ability to recognize patterns in raw and dynamic information is a primary survival tool. think of its many fundamental uses from simply identifying a location to move toward, to more complicated identifying camoflaged predators and prey and receiving and passing on information to others, from sending and interpreting mating calls or warnings or territorial markings. it is deep-seated and essentially autonomic and as such, can seriously debilitate an individual's functioning in a way that cannot be self-repaired (if at all) if this ability becomes compromised in any way.

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... He said Microsoft doesn't want people to pass just from studying -- they want you to spend some time DOING the things that they teach, so they can make sure you really have the talent or knowledge or whatever.

But it was great hating Microsoft all these years because they had messed with me! \:D/ :-bd


Microsoft is notorious for this. I think it's a scam to get you having to take the last test over and over after you've already dumped the money into the first tests and can't afford to back out.

I know nothing about Microsoft's testing, but I also do not want students to pass by simply repeating what I have told them and what they have read. In fact, in the era of the Web, recall is becoming both less important and less reliable -- there is so very much more information out there, and it changes daily. What I want is for students to learn how to use what I have taught them. So I routinely pose problems that I have never discussed in class and about which they have not or cannot read. The students have the tools with which to answer the questions; they just cannot find the answers anywhere. Often, there is no single right answer to one of my questions.

Microsoft may or may not be trying to do this.

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In the last couple weeks I went to check out a computer school near here, and I told the guy I talked to about it. He burst out laughing, and said it wasn't really an ebil plot against the poor ol' rooster who everybody loves to kick around whenever they're bored or havin' a bad day. He said Microsoft doesn't want people to pass just from studying -- they want you to spend some time DOING the things that they teach, so they can make sure you really have the talent or knowledge or whatever.

But it was great hating Microsoft all these years because they had messed with me! \:D/ :-bd

Microsoft is notorious for this. I think it's a scam to get you having to take the last test over and over after you've already dumped the money into the first tests and can't afford to back out.

That's what I thought. But the new thing in computer schools -- and I visited two of them in recent weeks -- is that they guarantee you'll pass as part of the asking price. They wouldn't be willing to do that if they thought it would cost them a lot of extra tests. I don't know what to think now.

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