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 Post subject: In Re: Douglas Vogt
PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:11 am 
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Last I heard, Dougy has 20 19 days and counting to justify his wasting the court's time further, which should make it one of the quicker birfer dismissals as far as I know.


You weren't here at the time, but one of Orly's cases filed in Federal Court in TX was dismissed in approximately 30 minutes. :lol:

One of hers in Florida in less than 24 hours. :P

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"[J]udges and adverse parties need not try to fish a gold coin from a bucket of mud."


Or, as another court phrased it, "The Court need not sift the sugar bowl ... to locate a party's grain of salt."

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 Post subject: In Re: Douglas Vogt
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bob wrote:
AnitaMaria wrote:
As expected:
the court ORDERS Mr. Vogt to show cause within 20 days of the date of this order why his complaint should not be dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction,by Judge James L. Robart. (MD, mailed copy of order to pltf) (Entered: 11/05/2013)


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Ob. birther spin: Court "interested" in Vogt's case; court declines to say Obama is a natural-born citizen; etc.


and they did just that: see this headline from birther report and kircners spin on same..
http://www.birtherreport.com/2013/11/ju ... -case.html

"Judge Issues Orders For Documents Experts Obama Fraud & Treason Notice"


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 Post subject: In Re: Douglas Vogt
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and they did just that: see this headline from birther report and kircners spin on same..
http://www.birtherreport.com/2013/11/ju ... -case.html

"Judge Issues Orders For Documents Experts Obama Fraud & Treason Notice"


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I read what the judge wrote and my answer to him would be that Mr. Vogt is not the one who would bring the criminal charges, the grand jury would. Mr. Vogt is simply reporting crimes per the law to a federal judge and it is he, the judge who has the STANDING to refer it to a federal grand jury. The judge is setting up a strawman as to what Vogt asked for in his filing to the judge. He is reporting felonies and treason to a federal judge as outlined in the USC and the judge has the standing and duty to take action and refer it to a grand jury for review of the evidence, given the very grave nature of the crimes.


i do not think that word means what he wants it to mean ...

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Yes, this was a bit more than a polite request. Kerchner uses the word "duty"; IIRC, Vogt used the word "obligated". They've informed the judge of a crime, and the judge is now legally compelled to do their bidding and empanel a grand jury to investigate.

Except not.

This may possibly make an entertaining appeal brief, in the nature of asking the 9th Circus to order the judge to empanel a grand jury, 'cuz we TOLD HIM we had evidence of a crime!

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 Post subject: In Re: Douglas Vogt
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Notorial Dissent wrote:
Last I heard, Dougy has 20 19 days and counting to justify his wasting the court's time further, which should make it one of the quicker birfer dismissals as far as I know.


You weren't here at the time, but one of Orly's cases filed in Federal Court in TX was dismissed in approximately 30 minutes. :lol:

One of hers in Florida in less than 24 hours. :P

Works for me. Sorry I missed that. Maybe some more in store.

In re: Dougy's attempt to do an end run through the court, I didn't/don't think it is the judge's obligation or responsibility to empanel or call a grand jury, to begin with, isn't that pretty much the sole province of the US Attorney??? and if the US Attorney thinks you're full of it, then the matter is dead. Dougy doesn't seem to get that along with a whole lot of other things, including perjury on a document filed in Federal Court. Maybe he will before this is over.


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 Post subject: In Re: Douglas Vogt
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Vogt has some commentary on this court case on his new website for his upcoming book (which now has its own Fogbow thread).
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If the judge in Seattle does not act as he should we intend to mail the complaint to other Judges around the county until we find one Federal Judge that sees what Barack Obama is doing to the country and also wants to get him legally out of office before he destroys the country and turns it into a socialist hell. So if you can contribute to our ends please do so. It will cost $26 to mail the complete filing in color to a Federal Judge. There are over 600 Judges.

Awesome birfer-think. If at first you don't succeed, try to exact same failed strategy 600 more times. :-bd

more at http://www.obamaforgerybook.com/

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 Post subject: In Re: Douglas Vogt
PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:56 pm 
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Awesome birfer-think. If at first you don't succeed, try to exact same failed strategy 600 more times. :-bd

more at http://www.obamaforgerybook.com/



That's the definition of insanity, isn't it? Doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for different results each time? :lol:


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Ah, but that's not doing the same thing.

The first time they actually filed it in a court of law, by paying a filing fee and complying (in theory) with the court rules.

Now they're just sending out junk mail.

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wants to get him legally out of office before he destroys the country and turns it into a socialist hell.


OMG, a socialist hell! Affordable health insurance! Repaired infrastructure! A decent education! Equality for all? Oh, my :swoon:

Sounds like a place I'd love to live!!

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 Post subject: In Re: Douglas Vogt
PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:24 pm 
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Ah, but that's not doing the same thing.

The first time they actually filed it in a court of law, by paying a filing fee and complying (in theory) with the court rules.

Now they're just sending out junk mail.



Gotcha....but to me it looked the same.

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The two affidavits I filled on October 18, 2013 is the culmination of that research. One is a public affidavit which you can download from this web site and also http://www.vectorpub.com. The other affidavit is the sealed one that only the Judge and a Federal Grand Jury can see. I had been deliberately quite about what I was doing except when I was helping Sheriffs office in Mariposa County Arizona. Mike Zullo is the lead investigator and is a fine detective and I must say the best dressed I have seen. We have not always agreed on the same things such as the typewriter evidence but I think he did come around this year when he asked me for five blank copies of the COLB Paul typeset so they could do the same experiments Paul and I did in 2012. Paul and I have always offered our help to Mike Zullo and we hope he has success with finding one or more congressman that will open congressional hearings.

What I have filed is not a lawsuit and does not involve charging or suing anyone else. That is the job of a Federal Grand Jury which is one of the things I am asking the court to do. I was compelled to file my affidavit by the wording in Misprision of Felony and Treason. I am asking the Court to release me from the criminal liability that both statutes place me in because I had discovered these felonies against the United States. As far as we can tell, no one has ever used these two laws in this way even though these two laws were passed into law by the very first Congress, second secession and signed into law by non other than President George Washington. Usually Misprision of Felony is used by a Federal Prosecutor against someone. I may be the first to use it in the other direction. The result of this is that the court has to act when they are presented compelling evidence that a crime against the United States has occurred. If the Crime is in the public interest, the court has no chose but to submit it to a Grand Jury. In other words it is a HOT Potato for the Judge. In the Memorandum of Law you will read the whole explanation and my strategy.

With this kind of attention to detail....

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The two affidavits I filled on October 18, 2013 is the culmination of that research. One is a public affidavit which you can download from this web site and also http://www.vectorpub.com. The other affidavit is the sealed one that only the Judge and a Federal Grand Jury can see. I had been deliberately quite about what I was doing except when I was helping Sheriffs office in MariposaCounty Arizona.

With this kind of attention to detail....


Missed one -- I'm pretty sure he meant Maricopa County. You'd think he'd know, if he was working with them. Interestingly, Mariposa County was the fictional county in the t.v. shoe "Medium," which was set in Phoenix. There is also a Mariposa County in Cali.

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 Post subject: In Re: Douglas Vogt
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Doug Vogt wrote:
If the judge in Seattle does not act as he should we intend to mail the complaint to other Judges around the county until we find one Federal Judge that sees what Barack Obama is doing to the country and also wants to get him legally out of office before he destroys the country and turns it into a socialist hell. So if you can contribute to our ends please do so. It will cost $26 to mail the complete filing in color to a Federal Judge. There are over 600 Judges.


Sure, that'll work. Obviously, the fact that Macy's sent a 100-page catalog to my office through the mail yesterday means that, not only am I obligated to read it, but I'm also obligated to go buy all of the junk advertised in said catalog. :lol:

Here's a little tip for you, Dougie...unsolicited mail is just junk, and no matter how much the sender spends to send it, it's trash. Your "mailing" will hit the trash faster than that Macy's catalog did, and owing to the mail screening process in federal courthouses, no judge will ever even see it. And by the by, the cost of your junk mailer, sent to 600 judges at $26 a pop? That's $15,600. That's a whole lotta birfer bux you're asking for...does Orly know you're planning to divert almost $16K from her income stream? [-X

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....Mariposa County Arizona Uh, no.

Mike Zullo is the lead investigator and is a fine detective and I must say the best dressed I have seen. How nice to be able to afford this by working 24/7 on an unpaid volunteer basis.

Paul and I have always offered our help to Mike Zullo and we hope he has success with finding one or more congressman that will open congressional hearings. No mention of having his "expert" findings filed in Orly's cases?


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Paul and I have always offered our help to Mike Zullo and we hope he has success with finding one or more congressman that will open congressional hearings.


It is exactly your kind of help (because he's done nothing else other than solicit BS from birther morons) which makes his so-called "investigation" completely worthless.

It would have been worthless time spent regardless, but just sayin'.

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Doug Vogt wrote:
If the judge in Seattle does not act as he should we intend to mail the complaint to other Judges around the county until we find one Federal Judge that sees what Barack Obama is doing to the country and also wants to get him legally out of office before he destroys the country and turns it into a socialist hell. So if you can contribute to our ends please do so. It will cost $26 to mail the complete filing in color to a Federal Judge. There are over 600 Judges.

Vogt, always a stickler for detail, "overlooks" something:
18 USC sec. 2382 wrote:
Misprision of treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both.

Why is Vogt limiting his paper terrorism to federal judges? Shirely he isn't abusing this statute, which only "requires" him to escape prosecution to inform only a single judge.

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P&E (via ORYR BR): Birth Certificate Petitioner Publishes Preview of Upcoming Book on Obama Forgery.

Executive summary: Rodeau breathlessly ... says nothing not already known.

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Another EPIC FAIL.

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P&E (via ORYR BR): Birth Certificate Petitioner Publishes Preview of Upcoming Book on Obama Forgery.

Executive summary: Rodeau breathlessly ... says nothing not already known.

The most hilarious thing going on in Birtherstan lately - to me, anyway - is how they all instantly accept and believe Jim Garrow when he says he's been a CIA agent for 45 years. He even said on the radio the other night that he quit recently because President Obama "outed me".

This guy made a splash in Birtherstan in January when he said Obama was firing military generals who wouldn't agree they'd fire on civilians in the U.S. if ordered to do so, but he made no claim at that time to be in the CIA. He really is a complete grifter who figured out that if he spouts birther nonsense, he can claim to be anything and no birther will ever call him on it. So now he has a Ph.D., and he's a Nobel Peace Prize nominee, and he could tell them ANYTHING and they'd lap it up.

They won't believe a certified verification with a seal filed in a federal court, but they'll believe any moron who drifts into view and says "I'm a former CIA agent" without the slightest proof or corroboration.

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The most hilarious thing going on in Birtherstan lately - to me, anyway - is how they all instantly accept and believe Jim Garrow when he says he's been a CIA agent a covert agent employed by an unspecified "alphabet agency" for 45 years.

FIFY.

But, yeah, this. Somewhere at ORYR BR, Falcon says he believes Garrow because he talks the talk so well that he couldn't be faking it. But Garrow talks like you'd expect from someone who has read too many Tom Clancy novels.

On Volin's show, Garrow said he couldn't talk more about his background to due to the "Official Secrets Act." I am unaware of any law that prohibits former agents from acknowledging their previous employment with a specific agency.

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The United States has no "Official Secrets Act." Another lie.

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He brought up the "official secrets act" during the course of trying to explain how he obtained his PHD. He was asked where it came from and what it was in. He claimed that when he graduated he "signed the official secrets act" and his dissertation was removed from the rolls. The registrar and president of the college were sworn to secrecy but he assures us we would find his school to be very credible.

There's a few problems with this. I have found no reference to any "Official Secrets Act" in US law. This wording is prominent in the UK, Ireland, Hong Kong, Malaysia, New Zealand and Canada.

Also why would he sign an act? That's what the President does when he puts it into law. Maybe he meant he signed an NDA? But either way his story is bullshit since he previously admitted his "PHD" was honorary from an uncredited college.

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