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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:16 pm 
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He probably wants Justices Kagan and Sotomayor to recuse themselves because they were appointed by the Soetoro guy. [-X Not that it matters.


That's what I suspect as well, but... whatever.

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He probably wants Justices Kagan and Sotomayor to recuse themselves because they were appointed by the Soetoro guy. [-X Not that it matters.


zactly. Even more...

WND wrote:
"Historical analysis establishes, therefore, that ... respondent Obama, since his father was a Kenyan of British citizenship and not a U. S. citizen, was not 'eligible to the office of president,…' Therefore his appointment of the present Justices Sotomayor and Kagan are not valid appointments under the Constitution and they should not, therefore, be sitting as justices deciding upon our petition if this court itself observes the law it has set out under the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. Otherwise the concept of a rule of law based upon the Constitution, which we contend is at issue in our petition, is being flouted at the very outset of consideration of the petition," the motion explains.




http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=245753

And remember that post on Laurence Elgin and the Constitutional Rule of Law Fund I made last week? Well, WND says:

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Laurence Elgin, one of those coordinating the efforts to reveal the problems with following the Constitution in the United States, also announced a new organization and website, the Constitutional Rule of Law Fund, to pursue cases that defend the U.S. legal system and the Constitution.

He told WND that the Hollister case, throughout the district and appellate court levels, never was denied standing, a major hurdle that has torpedoed many of the other eligibility disputes to rise to the level of court opinions.


and another foundation weighs in:

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John Eidsmoe, an expert on the U.S. Constitution now working with the Foundation on Moral Law, has told WND a demand for verification of Obama's eligibility appears to be legitimate.

Eidsmoe said it's clear that Obama has something in the documentation of his history, including his birth certificate, college records and other documents that "he does not want the public to know."


I went to that website. "Defending our Inalienable Right to Publicly Acknowledge God". I suppose that will soon be Amended to add a part about throwing the usurpin' MoFo out of office. :-?

But, back to Hemenway & Hollister.

Can Hem be sanctioned for this?

Is there anything that is outright sanctionable. <-Is that a word? :-?
Would this just be denined, and if so, can he appeal it?

It seems to me that these folks just keep fund-raising off this stuff. There are no consequences to filing frivolous petitions and suits. And, in the meantime, the paypal rings. The birfomercials run. The lies spread.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:14 pm 
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Eidsmoe is also "Col." Eidsmoe (I assume retired), writes a column for WND (as is stated in this video by the person introducing him. The sound during the introduction is pretty bad, but...



I "think" we've seen this before, but...

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Col. John Eidsmoe and the Wisconsin Tea Party

MADISON — Following is the statement of Democratic Party of Wisconsin Chair Mike Tate on the news that neo-Confederate author Col. John Eidsmoe, who since has withdrawn, had been invited to speak to a Wisconsin "Tea Party" rally April 15 in Wausau.

"The Wisconsin Tea Party leadership invited Col. John Eidsmoe to speak to their April 15 event in Wausau. They showed tremendous lack of judgment in extending their invitation to Eidsmoe, whose bonafides include membership in a group that believes slavery was ordained by God and who only a few months ago praised Jefferson Davis at the expense of Abraham Lincoln.

Every major Republican candidate in Wisconsin has embraced the Tea Party, and now they must ask themselves how this movement came to be associated with the likes of John Eidsmoe.

[...]


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John Eidsmoe is a frequent lecturer and debater at colleges, universities, churches, and civics groups. As a constitutional attorney, he has successfully litigated court cases involving First Amendment religious freedom and has defended home education and Christian schools, championed the right of students and teachers to study the Bible in public schools, debated ACLU attorneys on radio and television, and served on the Ten Commandments Legal Defense Team. He is an ordained pastor in the Association of Free Lutheran Congregations, and with his family (he and his wife have been married over 30 years, have three children: David, Kirsten and Justin) he lives in rural Pike Road, Alabama.
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He holds five degrees in law, theology, and political science. These include two doctorates, one in law from the University of Iowa, and one in ministry from the Oral Roberts University. He earned his Masters of Divinity degree from Lutheran Brethern Seminary and his Master of Arts degree in biblical studies at Dallas Theological Seminary. His Bachelor of Arts degree in political science is from St. Olaf College. He is also a graduate of the Air Command & Staff College and the Air War College.

He has taught legal history and church history at law schools and seminaries. He currently serves as a professer of constitutional law and related subjects at the Thomas Goode Jones School of Law, Faulkner University, Montgomery, Alabama, where his students have twice given him the Outstanding Professor Award. He is also an Adjunct Professor at Birmingham Theological Seminary. A constitutional attorney and retired Lieutenant Colonel in the U.S. Air Force Reserve, Colonel Eidsmoe has also taught church history and other subjects in various seminaries.

He has authored 12 books, including Christianity & the Constitution, Columbus & Cortez, and the video series titled The Institute on the Constitution. A Second Degree Black Belt with the American Taekwondo Foundation, Colonel Eidsmoe also serves as Regional Representative for the Gospel Martial Arts Union, is an avid horseman and skier, and tries to get 8 hours of sleep every week.


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According to John Eidsmoe, the US Constitution was heavily influenced by Christianity. That is the thesis of his book Christianity and the Constitution. Published in 1987 by Baker House, the book is 415 pages in length.

The book leads off with a survey of various philosophical schools popular in the 18th Century, not least of which was Calvinism. Mr. Eidsmoe states that a majority of Americans were Calvinist, but fails to demonstrate its influence on the Founders.

The book deals briefly with "John Locke's social contract theory," which is said to be the "secular expression" of the covenant. Mr. Eidsmoe equates the two, a usual tactic of Christian Federalists to explain away the obvious secularism of the US Constitution.

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Mr. Eidsmoe's repeated confusion of social contract theory and Bible covenant is his biggest problem. He naively mistakes the preamble of the US Constitution as a commitment to Bible covenantalism, instead of the godless social contract which it is. This confusion is typical of Christian Constitutionalists, who frequently equate the Constitution and the Word of God.


There's more at the link

Sounds like another typical whackadoodle

This guy lectures to lawyers on the Constitution and (I heard on the video) ethics?

Perhaps some of our learned counsel know him/his "reputation"?

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In responding to the motion to recuse, could the Supreme Court issue a denial on the grounds that because Obama *is* legitimately the President, the request for recusal is without merit?

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He has authored 12 books, including Christianity & the Constitution, Columbus & Cortez, and the video series titled The Institute on the Constitution.A Second Degree Black Belt with the American Taekwondo Foundation, Colonel Eidsmoe also serves as Regional Representative for the Gospel Martial Arts Union, is an avid horseman and skier, and tries to get 8 hours of sleep every week.


Can we see the Black Belts Eidsmoe and Taitz in a common action, please ?


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No Miscellaneous Order from the court yet today?

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No Miscellaneous Order from the court yet today?

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The only thing I see is two orders denying writs for certiorari in death penalty cases that were issued today. The last thing on the docket is the request for recusal filed by Hollister on December 30. It did not make the discuss list so we know it is dead.

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No order list published for today... only miscellaneous orders that are dated 1/13.

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I think the order list will be out Monday. It is possible that no cases were moved on today. They cleared a large holiday backlog last week.

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I think the order list will be out Monday. It is possible that no cases were moved on today. They cleared a large holiday backlog last week.


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WD, you are correct. It will be Tuesday around 10 AM ET.

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The SCOTUS order list is up and the petition for Writ of Certiorari in Hollister v Soetoro was denined.

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CERTIORARI DENIED...
10-678 HOLLISTER, GREGORY S. V. SOETORO, BARRY, ET AL.


http://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/cour ... 811zor.pdf

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I am shocked. SHOCKED!!! I tells ya.

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Congrats to Hollister, Hemenway, and Berg. It was a well deserved flame out.

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I am shocked. SHOCKED!!! I tells ya.

:lol:

They just have to win ONE!!

They think it's like the lottery. That if they buy enough tickets, they'll eventually win the jackpot. What they don't realize is that this logic is nominally correct, but they aren't buying tickets, they're scrawling simulated tickets on scraps of napkin and so forth. None of those, no matter how many they scrawl, will EVER win the jackpot. :lol:

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Ok.. here what is probably a really stupid question.

Doesn't a lawsuit have to have the correct, legal name on it? If not, then anyone can file a lawsuit against "Erma Schlipschitz", meaning myself, and I would never know... Or is it taken care of by that ubiquitous "a.k.a" that they like to add to everything.

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Ok.. here what is probably a really stupid question.

Doesn't a lawsuit have to have the correct, legal name on it? If not, then anyone can file a lawsuit against "Erma Schlipschitz", meaning myself, and I would never know... Or is it taken care of by that ubiquitous "a.k.a" that they like to add to everything.


Not sure what you're asking Jez. If you can't identify a single defendant, you can't serve a single defendant and you can't get into court.

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Jez wrote:
Ok.. here what is probably a really stupid question.

Doesn't a lawsuit have to have the correct, legal name on it? If not, then anyone can file a lawsuit against "Erma Schlipschitz", meaning myself, and I would never know... Or is it taken care of by that ubiquitous "a.k.a" that they like to add to everything.


Not sure what you're asking Jez. If you can't identify a single defendant, you can't serve a single defendant and you can't get into court.


I think she's asking how can he legally file suit against "Barry Soetoro", not use his proper legal name.


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Hollister did use the President's real name in the "AKA" and, if IIRC, served the President with papers in his real name. That is sufficient to put a defendant on notice that he is the one being sued.

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Hollister did use the President's real name in the "AKA" and, if IIRC, served the President with papers in his real name. That is sufficient to put a defendant on notice that he is the one being sued.


Okies. :) That is what I was asking. Thanks Kimba for putting my caffeine-deprived ramblings into the correct wording..

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If I recall didn't one of the opinions or responses note that the plaintiff did not use the President's correct name? I know it is stating the obvious but this case was never taken seriously by either the government or the courts so why bother raising a stink over their childish use of a name by the plaintiffs?

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No indication on the docket of a ruling on Hollister's request for recusal.

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I think no answer means no. This petition never made the discuss list. That meant that not one justice questioned the cert pool clerks' judgment that it was worthy of discussion. That made the recusal request meaningless.

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