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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:37 pm 
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Before we get to the merits and the real criticisms this brief surely deserves, a few preliminary matters:

First, you may remember my thread on the Hub about how much money Obama's spent, said by the Bergatrons to be $800,000, and said by me to be around $15,000 or less, and I can't see that he's spent a dime since last October fighting these cases. This time, he's gonna actually have to spend some money to get some worthy attorney to write and file an opposing brief. So Berg has achieved that much: He's finally making Obama spend money again.

Second, a personal story, and the best part, it comes with a moral. Now how much would you pay?

When I was in my second year of law school, I spent a semester working for a federal judge in L.A. as an "extern". He had two law clerks (already licensed attorneys) and three of us law student externs. So here's what my job was:

Say there was a motion for summary judgment. Before it comes up in court, the other side gets to file an opposition, and the side with the motion gets to file a reply to the opposition (in theory, it's hard to get a judge to rule in favor of a motion, so the side that wants it gets two bites of the apple).

And there's a page limit for motions. Like 25 pages for the motion, 15 pages for the opposition, and 5 pages for the reply. What do you get when you pay a lawyer by the hour to write a brief, and you give him a 25 page limit? Yes, that's correct: you get a 24¾ page brief, with room for a signature on the last page. :D

Not only that, there might be all kinds of exhibits and declarations and whatnot, which don't count toward the page limits. Like, for instance, a 40-page contract or 120 pages of deposition testimony. In all, the whole pile of documents submitted by the lawyers on just one motion might be three inches thick. And the judge would get about 15 or 20 of them to decide every week. No judge can read all that crap, he wouldn't have time for trials or anything else. He'd only read the really, really short ones.

So they'd give the pile to me or one of my evil cohorts, and our job was to read the whole thing, double check the legal cases to make sure they correctly stated the law, summarize it into a 3 to 5 page report, and make a recommendation. That's the only thing the judge would read, and he'd listen to oral arguments.

This was a great lesson to me, children. Here were these lawyers, some of them from the top law firms in the city of Los Angeles, making $300 or more an hour, writing these briefs. Some of them were brilliant writers, too. But the judge never read a word they wrote. I read it for him. What he read was what I wrote, instead.

Some second-year law student ...

So I made up my mind that in my whole legal career, I would NEVER, EVER, EVER write a brief more than 5 pages long. That way, I'd have a better chance that the judge would read what I wrote, not what some second-year law student wrote. And I never did write a brief more than 5 pages long. You'd be amazed how much that makes you focus on the essence of your argument. I'd start out with about 15 pages, and then I'd edit it down and down and down ...

Now go forth and read Phil's brief, and see if there's anything at all that he could have left out ...

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That's QUITE a brief to, basically, argue a dismissal based on standing.

It'll be interesting to see the reply brief. I certainly expect it to be much shorter and certainly drafted better. :D

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So can I print it off and edit the words that were misspelled and/or used incorrectly, correct the missing punctuation and then send it back to him? Not to mention the table of contents? OMG. Did he not get the memo about 5 word or less headings? Oy.

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What's with the name game? BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, JR.? and
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BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, a/k/a
BARACK HUSSEIN DUNHAM a/k/a
BARACK HUSSEIN SOETORO a/k/a
BARRY OBAMA a/k/a
BARRY DUNHAM a/k/a
BARRY SOETORO


It's BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, II.

Is this a subtle way of saying Berg doesn't believe the birth certificate?


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That's QUITE a brief to, basically, argue a dismissal based on standing.

It'll be interesting to see the reply brief. I certainly expect it to be much shorter and certainly drafted better. :D


It's my understanding that an appeal cannot raise new issues not presented with the initial suit and Berg is attempting to gain standing using new theories. If one strips off the new stuff, one is left with the old stuff and the original response to Berg v. Obama would seem to pretty much cover it, except for claims to bias on the part of Judge Surrick.

Now a question for the lawyers:

Berg's original suit names Does 1-50. In the appeal, he adds some individuals by name not mentioned in the original lawsuit (e.g. a Senate Committee). Can he do that?


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Not only that ... the Third Circuit has already opined:

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For the reasons ably expressed by the District Court—and not addressed in
Plaintiff-Appellant’s Emergency Motion—it appears that Plaintiff-Appellant lacks standing
to challenge Senator Barack Obama's candidacy for the Presidency of the United States.
Accordingly, Plaintiff-Appellant has not shown a likelihood of success with respect to his
appeal.

Dang.

That's not hopeful news ...

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Is this a subtle way of saying Berg doesn't believe the birth certificate?


No, it's a pretty blatant way of saying that Berg doesn't believe the birth certificate, believes what TechDude and Polarik told him about said birth certificate, and believes the Indonesian adoption & loss of US citizenship claim Judah Benjamin at TexasDarlin came up with. :-)

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Did you notice the brief says Judge Surrick granted "Defendants [sic] Motion for Summary Judgment" (p. 4)?

It was a Motion to Dismiss. Those are the kind of errors even first year law students are expected to avoid.

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Did you notice the brief says Judge Surrick granted "Defendants [sic] Motion for Summary Judgment" (p. 4)?

It was a Motion to Dismiss. Those are the kind of errors even first year law students are expected to avoid.


It's quite a mess. And the hits just keep on coming, folks!
I can see the clerk reviewing this laughing and shaking his head! :lol: :lol:

See, that's another problem. Berg's followers believe the judges are supposed to review, write, and type the opinions all themselves or it's invalid. LOL

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If you haven't seen it already, I heartily recommend:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:56 pm 
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Now go forth and read Phil's brief, and see if there's anything at all that he could have left out ...


Well, for starters, he could have left out Questions Presented #2-7, as they were not properly raised in the District Court and, thus, will not be considered by the Appellate Court.

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1. Whether the U.S. District Court Judge abused his discretion when he stated that “Plaintiff would have us derail the democratic process by invalidating a candidate for whom millions of people voted and who underwent excessive vetting during what was one of the most hotly contested presidential primary in living memory,” since this statement indicates the Judge’s bias in favor of Defendant and assumption of facts based on his own beliefs formed outside this case?


The referenced court statement is found at Court Opinion. Berg v. Obama et al, 574 F.Supp.2d 509, 518 n.11 (E.D. Pa. 2008). However, the court expressly stated that " For purposes of this opinion, we take as true the well-pleaded facts of the Amended Complaint." (574 F. Supp.2d at 515); "The court must accept all of a plaintiff's allegations as true, as we have done here." (id., n.6); and " We note that while we take Plaintiff's allegations as true for purposes of this motion (as we must), Defendants Obama and DNC characterize them as "patently false." (id., n.7). As discussed in the Opinion (574 F. Supp.2d at 514-15), the standard adopted by the Court is the appropriate legal standard to apply. Therefore, he could have left this QP out too.

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Whether, in the absence of legislation providing a mechanism to challenge the qualifications of the president-elect following the counting of the votes in Congress, Petitioner has standing to make such a challenge under the Tenth Amendment of the United States Constitution, which provides that “powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution nor prohibited by it to the states are reserved to the states or to the people”?


Berg did not raise this issue in his Opposition to Motion to Dismiss, did not raise it in his Complaint or Amended Complaint. The Defendants did not raise it in their Motions to Dismiss, and the Court did not consider it. Therefore, it is not properly before the Appellate Court. He could have left out QP#2.

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Whether the District Court erred in dismissing Petitioner’s case based on standing when the Supreme Court, in Gregory v. Ashcroft, 501 U.S. 452, 463 (1991) “clearly recognizes the authority of the people of the States to determine the qualifications of their most important government officials, and it is this authority that lies at the heart of our representative government”?


Berg did not raise this issue in his Opposition to Motion to Dismiss, did not raise it in his Complaint or Amended Complaint. The Defendants did not raise it in their Motions to Dismiss, and the Court did not consider it. Therefore, it is not properly before the Appellate Court.

Even if it were properly raised, the argument would fail. Berg misconstrues the holding of Gregory v. Ashcroft, 501 U.S. 452, 463 (1991) and quotes it out of context. In fact, Gregory actually upheld the state's right to impose a mandatory retirement age on judges. In other words, Gregory stands for the proposition that the state (and not citizens within the state) may set the standards for determining the qualifications of their government officials.

The states – each one of them – have set standards for getting on the ballot. As we've learned, in most cases, that standard requires the candidate and/or candidate's party to file an affidavit confirming under oath that the candidate is (or will be) eligible for the Presidency under Article II. Under Gregory, each state's standard must be respected – unless the standard is deemed to violate some other fundamental right. No fundamental right has been identified which would render any state's law unconstitutional.

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Whether the District Court erred in denying “standing” under 42 U.S.C. §1983 based on lack of state action, when in fact each State’s action in placing an apparently ineligible candidates name on the ballot and certifying the electoral vote for such candidate constituted state actions which resulted in the infringement on Petitioner’s fundamental right to cast an informed vote for an eligible candidate?


Berg alleged, in his Proposed Amended Complaint, that he had standing under § 1983. (See Proposed Amended Complaint, Count Two, pp. 29-37.) However, he did not argue that his alleged §1983 standing was based on any "State’s action in placing an apparently ineligible candidates name on the ballot and certifying the electoral vote for such candidate," as he now contends. Rather, he argued that the named " Defendants, acting under the color of law and in concert with one another, engaged in intentional due process and equal protection of the law violations." (Id. at 29.) Berg's argument raised below is a completely different argument than the one he now attempts to make before the Third Circuit. Therefore, this issue is not properly before the Appellate Court.

Even if it were properly raised, the argument would fail. First, the States Berg now charges with a violation of § 1983 were not a party to the action. The Court will not countenance an argument based on allegations against a non-party.

Moreover, as Gregory makes clear, the Supreme under the Tenth Amendment clearly establishes the "authority of the people of the States to determine the qualifications of their most important government officials, and it is this authority that lies at the heart of our representative government." Berg makes no argument that any state failed to follow its established laws and regulations in the balloting process or the election certification process.

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Whether under Robinson v. Bowen, et al, 2008 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 82306 (N.D. Ca. 2008) Petitioner is granted automatic standing since the electoral votes were counted on January 8, 2009 pursuant to 3 U.S.C. §15 and no objections were raised by any Senator or Congressman concerning Obama’s qualifications?


Berg did not cite Robinson – or make a Robinson-based argument in the District Court and, as such, this argument is not properly before the Appellate Court.

Even if it were properly raised, the argument would fail. Robinson does not stand for the proposition that a citizen is "automatically" (or otherwise) granted standing after the votes are counted and the Constitutional process for certifying the Electoral College Vote is completed. In rejecting the plaintiff's suggestion to permit the American Independent Party (affiliated with Alan Keyes) to be permitted to intervene, the Court stated as follows:

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"Therefore, this order holds that the challenge presented by plaintiff is committed under the Constitution to the electors and the legislative branch, at least in the first instance. Judicial review-if any-should occur only after the electoral and Congressional processes have run their course. Texas v. United States, 523 U.S. 296, 300-02, 118 S.Ct. 1257, 140 L.Ed.2d 406 (1998). This circumstance also obviates any occasion to consider plaintiff's standing-cure suggestion that the American Independent Party (affiliated with Alan Keyes) be allowed to intervene."


Robinson, 567 F.Supp.2d at 1147. In other words, in rejecting a suggestion to permit a candidate's party to intervene (given prior cases stating that a candidate would have standing), the Court noted that any such case – "if any" – could only occur after completion of the Constitutional Process. Berg is not a candidate for any party and, as such, even if any case could proceed, he would not have standing to sue under Robinson.

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Whether the President of the Senate’s violation of 3 U.S.C. § 15, in failing to call for Objections from Congress, in the counting of the Electoral votes, constituted a per se infringement upon Petitioner’s fundamental right to cast a meaningful vote?


Berg did not cite 3 U.S.C. § 15, or allege any violation thereof. Therefore, this argument is not properly before the Appellate Court.

Even if it were properly raised, the argument would fail. First, Cheney, who Berg now charges with a violation of 3 U.S.C. § 15 is not a party to this action. The Court will not countenance an argument based on allegations against a non-party. Second, there has been no lower court factual finding of any violation of 3 U.S.C. § 15.

Third, there was no violation of 3 U.S.C. § 15. That law provides, in relevant part, as follows:

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Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper [relating to the electoral college vote], the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received.


3 U.S.C. § 15 (emphasis added). Thus, the President must call for objections, if any. As the Congressional Record makes clear, there was no such objection and, thus, no need to call for them.

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"The VICE PRESIDENT. Madam Speaker and Members of Congress, pursuant to the Constitution and laws of the United States, the Senate and House of Representatives are meeting in joint session to verify the certificates and count the votes of the electors of the several States for President and Vice President of the United States.

After ascertainment has been had that the certificates are authentic and correct in form, the tellers will count and make a list of the votes cast by the electors of the several States.

The tellers on the part of the two Houses will take their places at the clerk’s desk.

The tellers, Mr. SCHUMER and Mr. BENNETT on the part of the Senate, and Mr. BRADY of Pennsylvania and Mr DANIEL E. LUNGREN of California on the part of the House, took their places at the desk

The VICE PRESIDENT. Without objection, the tellers will dispense with reading formal portions of the certificates. After ascertaining that certificates are regular in form and authentic, the tellers will announce the votes cast by the electors for each State, beginning with Alabama."


Congressional Record, H75-76 (Jan. 8, 2008) (emphasis added). Thus, it appears from the record that no written objections were submitted for presentation. Had any representative sought to make an object, s/he would have called for a point of order, and submitted the objection as set forth in 3 U.S.C. § 15. However, not a single representative did so. Because – not a single representative sought to raise an objection.

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Whether the President of the Senate’s violation of 3 U.S.C. § 15, in failing to call for Objections from Congress during the counting of the Electoral votes constituted an abridgement of Petitioner’s First Amendment right to the Freedom of Speech by denying Petitioner the opportunity to cast his objections through his Representatives to the counting of the electoral votes?


Berg did not cite 3 U.S.C. § 15, or allege any violation thereof. Therefore, this argument is not properly before the Appellate Court.

Even if it were properly raised, the argument would fail. See discussion above, re: Question Presented #6.

Moreover, there is no indication whatsoever that Beg was denied his First Amendment right to freedom of speech. Berg makes no claim that he was denied the right to cast his objections with his representatives. Berg – and apparently hundreds of others – wrote to their representatives, requesting that the representatives file written objections to the Electoral College Vote. The responses of many such representatives have been posted on the Internet. In short – Berg's voice (and the voice of others) was clearly heard by the representatives, who considered – and rejected – their pleas. The right to freedom of speech does not include the right to have one's views accepted by the hearer.

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Whether the District Court “in taking the facts in Petitioner’s Complaint to be true” abused its discretion in denying Petitioner standing based on the Court’s finding Petitioner’s injury-in-fact was too generalized because other democratic Americans suffered the same harm.


Whether a lower court abused its discretion in making its ruling is a proper question before the appellate court.

However, this argument fails. Berg doesn't even make an attempt to distinguish the standing cases upon which the District Court's ruling was based – because he can't – they're directly on point. Instead, after citing to the District Court's ruling, Berg claims "In taking the facts asserted in the Complaint as true for purposes of determining Defendants Motion to Dismiss, ... it is unjust to deny Petitioner standing just because other voters have suffered the same harm." (Appellate Brief at 16.)

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Whether the U.S. District Court erred in dismissing Petitioner’s claims under Promissory Estoppel finding the DNC [Democratic National Committee] and Obama’s promise to uphold the United States Constitution are simply statements of principle and intent in the political realm and are not enforceable promises?


Berg did not make any promissory estoppel argument in his Opposition to the Motion to Dismiss. Moreover, while Berg raised the promissory estoppel theory in his Proposed Amended Complaint (Count Seven, pp. 56-63), he provided no legal support for the application of that theory.

However, the Court fully considered - and rejected – the claim

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"Although Plaintiff does not specify the law on which he bases his claim, under any definition of promissory estoppel there must be an enforceable promise. *** The Restatement defines a promise as “a manifestation of intention to act or refrain from acting in a specified way, so made as to justify a promisee in understanding that a commitment has been made.” Restatement § 2(1).

The “promises” that Plaintiff identifies are statements of principle and intent in the political realm. They are not enforceable promises under contract law. Indeed, our political system could not function if every political message articulated by a campaign could be characterized as a legally binding contract enforceable by individual voters. Of course, voters are free to vote out of office those politicians seen to have breached campaign promises. Federal courts, however, are not and cannot be in the business of enforcing political rhetoric."


Berg v. Obama et al, 574 F.Supp.2d at 529. (Slip Copy). Therefore, the issue *is* properly before the Appellate Court.

However, this argument fails. Again, Berg fails utterly to distinguish the promissory estoppel cases upon which the District Court's ruling was based. Indeed, the only mention of promissory estoppel is in the section addressing "Questions Presented" – it does not even appear in the argument section of his brief!

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In short, he could have left out most everything and, instead, reiterated the claims he made in the lower court - claims that are, mysteriously, mostly missing from his appellate brief.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:38 pm 
I don't think that the cost is $10K, but as FYI, the cost *is* more than filing a typical brief in other courts. There *are* special printing requirements for writs - they must be printed and bound in a certain way per Supreme Court rules, and I think they must submit 40 copies. See generally Supreme Court Rule 33:
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/ctrules/2007rulesofthecourt.pdf This includes specially sized paper and typesetting and binding. It may be that Kinkos now provides these services - I don't know. What I do know is that it requires more than just printing off multiple copies from a laser printer/copier.

So - the upshot is that I suspect (once again) she's exaggerating (or research into cost-effective printing processes is the same as research done into legal and factual matters). However, it should be noted that the cost of printing briefs for SCOTUS *is* more than than, say, costs of printing motions and briefs for lower courts.


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Oh why oh why doesn't she just show us the receipt??
She'd put an end to all the questions...

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Groucho Marxist wrote:
Oh why oh why doesn't she just show us the receipt??
She'd put an end to all the questions...

:mrgreen:

Would a summary receipt showing the cost and town of the printer be sufficient or do you require to know the street address of the business that printed it and the person that delivered the printing to them?


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Oh why oh why doesn't she just show us the receipt??
She'd put an end to all the questions...


There can only be one reason. They're hiding something.

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Marvelous breakdown Tes. Thanks.

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Where's the clapping smilie?

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Yes, excellent job, Tes. Image

It's amazing, how much space he devotes to events that took place AFTER his case was dismissed by Judge Surrick.

I would only add, I would have omitted virtually the entire "Statement of the Case". His story about why he thinks Obama is ineligible is disjointed and rambling, and utterly irrelevant to the standing issue. Not even to mention, it makes your eyes glaze over.

I mean honestly, did he really need to mention that the Rainbow Edition News Letter is published by the Education Laboratory School? Is that vital information for the Third Circuit in resolving the standing issue? Is it vital the court know that Indonesian passports have to be renewed every five years?

My whole statement of the case would be about one small paragraph:

    Petitioner filed suit against Barack Obama in the district court seeking declaratory and injunctive relief, on the grounds that Obama is not a "natural born citizen" within the meaning of Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution, and therefore is ineligible to serve as President of the United States. The district court dismissed the Complaint on the grounds that Petitioner lacked standing, and Petitioner appeals.

Period. In fact, it's been a long day and I'm tired and I retired almost 20 years ago. If I was sharp and in practice, I could shorten that up and tighten it up more ...

Focus, Mr. Berg. Focus!

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To me, it looks like that brief has more value as publicity than as an attempt to get the court to rule in his favor. A couple of other things in that brief make no sense at all ... like where he says:
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This case involves national security, extraordinary public significance and requires action urgently as Obama is due to be inaugurated on the 20th of January, 2009 and take the Office of President of the United States.

And later in the brief, he says if Obama's "citizenship status is not ascertained by Jan. 20 ... the consequences could provide long-term damage to America."

Yeah, but Phil? If all that's true, why did you wait until Jan. 20 to file your brief? Judge Surrick dumped your case in October, dude.

Here's another one that puzzles the hell out of me:
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On October 21, 2008, Petitioner filed a Motion for Summary Judgment as there
were no undisputed material facts remaining ...

Umm, no, you didn't, Phil. Or if you did, you've kept it secret from us. Image What you filed on Oct. 21 was a motion for an order that your Requests for Admission be "deemed admitted". That's a motion under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 36, not a Motion for Summary Judgment under Rule 56.

I can understand him trying to fool his legion of devoted followers, but why the hell would he tell an outright lie to the Third Circuit? They have the complete record of the documents filed in Judge Surrick's court, y'know. If they read that sentence and start pokin' around for Phil's motion for summary judgment, doesn't that kind of annoy them when they find out there isn't one?


But it isn't just that the latest brief doesn't really seem intended to obtain a favorable ruling from the Third Circuit ... that it makes a better press release than a persuasive legal document ... it's also the continuing series of other press releases ... the letters to Oprah, for god's sake ...

Have you seen the latest press release trumpeting his support by the highly respected weekly Globe magazine? What's up with that? Isn't Globe like in every supermarket and convenience store and gas station mini-mart in America? How much more publicity does he think he'll get by issuing his own presser about Globe magazine?

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Well, foggy, it does not matter what the 3rd Circuit does, they still have the super duper secret sealed suit to rely on.


When they find out what that really is, they are going to be so disappointed. They just KNOW it holds the key to everything!! Of course, they've been told countless times what is in the "sealed-can't-talk-about-it suit" but like everything else that's not a smoking gun, we've got him declaration, they ignore it. ;)

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Not having ever been involved in a SCOTUS case, I have no clue if Linda Starr is being truthful or if just blowing smoke out of her butt when she claims that every filing with SCOTUS costs over $10,000 just in xeroxing and special ways of printing alone.

That sounds crazy to me. Don't they have a Kinkos nearby? Or is this so important they are having cloistered monks hand-calligrapghy in on vellum? Coz thats the only way it could cost $10000 per shot!


Mari, Linda Starr is full of sh*t. It remains a matter for debate as to whether she is (herself) the one suctioning out the outhouse of her own volition (in which case she should be given kudos for self-starting initiative, however incredibly stupid..."Phil said SUCK, so I DID!") or whether she is simply a cheap liar.

Doesn't matter...either way, she's still bloated with it. In my opinion, of course. :lol:

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I don't think that the cost is $10K, but as FYI, the cost *is* more than filing a typical brief in other courts. There *are* special printing requirements for writs - they must be printed and bound in a certain way per Supreme Court rules, and I think they must submit 40 copies. See generally Supreme Court Rule 33:
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/ctrules/2007rulesofthecourt.pdf This includes specially sized paper and typesetting and binding. It may be that Kinkos now provides these services - I don't know. What I do know is that it requires more than just printing off multiple copies from a laser printer/copier.


Tes, this is what I, and my partners, do every day. Yes, a filing at the USSC (and some, not all, of the appellate courts) requires "special-sized paper." That paper is easily available by the case. Our in-office injet printers are easily "set" to handle the paper (just as they are easily set to handle an envelope, or a "legal-sized" sheet, or a sheet of labels). It's just not a big deal, and--honestly--it really DOESN'T "require more than just printing of multiple copies from a laser printer." Even relatively cheap inkjet printers are capable of doing this (paper size-adjustable--print size/margins/pages set up through MS Word). And the "special binding" is also not a big deal. Any legal practice that deals regularly in appellate work has the (very simple and not expensive) equipment to do it themselves, but if the office doesn't have that, it's an incredibly inexpensive service available at Office Depot, Staples, OfficeMax, etc. Binding ONLY, through any of those 3rd party service providers, for 40 copies, would run less than $400 bucks. Honestly, it's an insignificant expense. "Different and special"? Yes. Expensive? No.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:29 pm 
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. And later in the brief, he says if Obama's "citizenship status is not ascertained by Jan. 20 ... the consequences could provide long-term damage to America."

Yeah, but Phil? If all that's true, why did you wait until Jan. 20 to file your brief? Judge Surrick dumped your case in October, dude.


THIS is a very good point. The Scheduling Order, docketed on 12/10/08, provided that Berg must file his brief ON OR BEFORE 1/20/09. The Appellee's briefs were due 30 days after Berg filed is brief. So - if he'd filed his brief on 12/11, Appellee's briefs would have been due 1/11 -- BEFORE Inauguration.

If one truly wanted a decision before Inauguration, one would file a brief as early as possible.

The decision to wait to file the Appellate Brief until the last possible day is, thus, ironic. (Specially ironic in light of Berg's Sept-Oct lamentations (reported at AmericasRight and elsewhere) that the fact that Obama/DNC/FEC waited until the "last day" to file their response to his complaint proved that they had something to hide.)

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Here's another one that puzzles the hell out of me:
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On October 21, 2008, Petitioner filed a Motion for Summary Judgment as there
were no undisputed material facts remaining ...

Umm, no, you didn't, Phil. Or if you did, you've kept it secret from us.


Actually, Berg DID file a Motion for Summary Judgment - but not on Oct. 21. It was dated Oct. 22. Essentially, he argued (contrary to applicable law) that given that the Defendants had failed to respond/answer his requests for admissions, they had admitted everything. (Notwithstanding the fact that, among other things, Obama/DNC filed a motion for protective order, well before the response was due and under applicable law, that stayed any requirement to answer pending the court's ruling.)

He argued that given the fact that they had admitted everything, there were no factual questions in dispute and he was entitled to summary judgment.

(As for candor before the Appellate Court, it is interesting that he included information about his requests for admissions, but did not include information about their motion to stay discovery, the fact that the requried discovery conference had not yet been held, or the fact that the D. Ct. denied all of his motions as moot.)


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Actually, Berg DID file a Motion for Summary Judgment - but not on Oct. 21. It was dated Oct. 22.

Yes, I discovered that a day or so ago, but I've been too busy to go back and correct my statement. But I was also right, 'cause I said, "either that, or you've kept it secret from us." He doesn't have it listed on his page of "All court documents."

I was following the case very closely, even back then, and started a thread on my local forum about "Obama admits: I was born in Kenya". Remember, he issued a press release about his motion to have the requests for admissions deemed admitted, but he didn't mention the summary judgment motion that I know of.

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THIS is a very good point. The Scheduling Order, docketed on 12/10/08, provided that Berg must file his brief ON OR BEFORE 1/20/09. The Appellee's briefs were due 30 days after Berg filed is brief. So - if he'd filed his brief on 12/11, Appellee's briefs would have been due 1/11 -- BEFORE Inauguration.

If one truly wanted a decision before Inauguration, one would file a brief as early as possible.

The decision to wait to file the Appellate Brief until the last possible day is, thus, ironic. (Specially ironic in light of Berg's Sept-Oct lamentations (reported at AmericasRight and elsewhere) that the fact that Obama/DNC/FEC waited until the "last day" to file their response to his complaint proved that they had something to hide.)


Whenever I raised this point at OC folks would go nuts! Berg claims he is being damaged by Obama becoming POTUS. He claims he was damaged because he couldn't vote for a qualified candidate.

But here is the thing. Berg had it in his power to keep himself from being damaged. Campaign 2008 was one of the longest in history. There were plenty of time for Berg to get his crap together for his suit. Instead, he allows himself to "suffer" more damages. OCers say it is part of a strategy. They say that Berg was wise to wait because now that Obama is POTUS, he is actually being damaged and that now Obama is breaking the law.

Berg has had it in his power to keep Obama out of office. He just needed to provide his super-secret-sealed evidence (which doesn't exist and isn't part of the super-secret-sealed file anyway). Hell, what MSM wouldn't want to scoop this story if it were true?

This is one of the very many reasons I believe Berg is a fraud and a con artist. If Berg actually was able to prove that Obama is unqualified for office before Jan 20th, then the cash would stop rolling in. Berg would get another minute of fame, but he would have nothing to show for his efforts.

So, even though Berg had the "evidence" to keep Obama out of office, he chose not to use it. Even though this is the "biggest Constitutional crisis in the history of the US" and Berg is the saviour of the Constitution and of American democracy itself, Berg does nothing to prevent what he considers the end of America.

Oh, and I expect my 1st year college students to write better than Berg does!

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But here is the thing. Berg had it in his power to keep himself from being damaged. Campaign 2008 was one of the longest in history. There were plenty of time for Berg to get his crap together for his suit. Instead, he allows himself to "suffer" more damages. OCers say it is part of a strategy. They say that Berg was wise to wait because now that Obama is POTUS, he is actually being damaged and that now Obama is breaking the law.

Berg has had it in his power to keep Obama out of office. He just needed to provide his super-secret-sealed evidence (which doesn't exist and isn't part of the super-secret-sealed file anyway). Hell, what MSM wouldn't want to scoop this story if it were true?


Bear in mind the fact that Berg's actions during the primaries were as follows:

25 March:

Mr. Berg posted a letter demanding that Sen. Obama drop out of the race due to "Association With Reverend Wright".

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"Please, do the right thing for the Democratic Party and our country that you say you love so much and withdraw your candidacy for President. It is the right thing to do !"


28 June:

http://obamacom.blogspot.com/2008/06/obamas-birth-certificate-whats-to-hyde.html?showComment=1214673660000#c2224423374900827506

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"(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 06/27/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, [Berg is a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania; former candidate for Governor and U.S. Senate in Democratic Primaries; former Chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery County; former member of Democratic State Committee; an attorney with progressive view points with offices in Montgomery County, PA and an active practice in Philadelphia, PA] released a Petition calling for "A Plea to Democratic SuperDelegates and Delegates to Nominate the Candidate that can Win in November 2008 - Hillary Clinton" on Petition On Line.
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The essence of the Petition is that Obama is not the person he has portrayed to the electorate; a candidate without depth or experience; one with associations with questionable persons; one whose gaffes are numerous and embarrassing; one whose platform leaves a lot to be desired; and credibility is an issue with his recent "Flip-Flops;" and his wife has raised issues that are a real concern.

The Democrats can only win in November 2008 with Hillary Clinton, a dynamic leader who has been totally vetted; who won the majority of popular vote and won the big states.

The Petition is at: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Nov2008/petition.html

Thank you.
Respectfully,
Philip J. Berg"


The petition (which he wrote) was:

http://www.petitiononline.com/Nov2008/petition.html

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"To: Democratic SuperDelegates and Delegates

We, the undersigned demand that the Democratic SuperDelegates and Delegates exercise their due diligence and responsibility, because of the following, to nominate Hillary Clinton for President at the Democratic Convention in Denver in August.

The overwhelming evidence indicates that Barack Obama is not the person he has portrayed to the electorate; a well developed candidate without a lot of depth or experience; one whose association with questionable persons has raised a major issue that will be a target for Republicans [Reverend Jeremiah Wright [20 years], Reverend Moss, Reverend Pfleger, William Ayers and Bernadine Duhm – Weather Underground terrorists, Tony Rezko, Jim Johnson, Eric Holder and Anti-Israeli groups; and one who has offered “change” without solutions.

One whose “Gaffes” are unbelievable – remember Dan Quayle never lived down his fateful misspelling of “potatoe” [Some of Obama’s gaffes: campaigning – I’ve now been in “57” states, I think one left to go; in May 8, 2007 he said 10,000 people died in a tornado that hit Greensburg, Kansas – death toll was 12; we have a certain number of interpreters and if they are all in Iraq, then it is harder for us to use them in Afghanistan – Afghans speak Pushtu or Dari, languages not used at all in Iraq – speak Arabic or Kurdish; the 1965 “Bloody Sunday” in Selma, Alabama march brought his parents together – when Obama was born 4 years before the march; his boast that he helped pass legislation regulating the nuclear industry - that legislation did not pass the full Senate; addressing the live “fallen” heroes on Memorial Day; Auschwitz; in his memoir Dreams of My Father writes of a story in Life magazine that influenced him - about a black man trying to bleach his skin white, no such article in Life; JFK had help bring his father to the U.S.; confusing Sioux City with Sioux Falls; confusing Sunrise, FL with Sunshine, FL].

Obama’s platform leaves a lot to be desired; foreign policy is naïve, suggesting direct talks with the likes of Hugo Chavez, Kim Jong II or Mahmoud Ahmadincjad; and his economic policy is questionable.

Obama’s wife – oh yes – Obama said do not question Michelle, but Michelle said for the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country [sounds like she learned from Reverend Wright].

Flip-Flop: Obama’s broken promise that he would go with Public Financing. What’s next?

Hillary Clinton: is a leader; won the majority of popular vote and won the big states.

Now it’s time for the SuperDelegates and Delegates to nominate Hillary Clinton for President!

Sincerely,

The Undersigned "


6 August:

Berg signed this on-line petition:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Federal-Elections-Commssion/signatures-109.html

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"5450 Philip J. Berg, Esq. Obama must be "vetted" before the DNC in Denver. Obama is not qualified to be President and therefore, the DNC should nominate HILLARY CLINTON."


Originally his lawsuit was filed a few days before the DNC convention and included a request for a Temporary Restraining Order to prohibit the DNC from nominating Obama. It was late in the game that he started playing the "Constitutional Crisis" card, before then everything was intended to force the DNC to select the "more electable" Hillary Clinton.

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