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 Post subject: Joel B. Pollak
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Whether we like it or not, seeing as the agency allegedly had the "Kenyan born" aspect of the bio still up on their website well into 2007 and then changed, this lady may yet have to expand a little upon the extent of her mistake, including perhaps some reference to when the mistake was discovered, how and by whom.


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There must be a great wailin' and a gnashin' of teeth over at WND that this missed this one.
Yabbut, today it's a BIG DEAL over there. It's a breakthrough. Pornstache himself has a new column, based entirely on the concept that this was President Obama personally describing himself to the world, and not a fluff piece written by some employee at the publishing house.

And Pornstache says this is IT.
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This documented revelation is one more of many smoking guns ...
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... two decades ago Obama was proclaiming himself as foreign born ...
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... indisputable evidence Obama portrayed himself as foreign born ...
And IT, of course, means "Somebody call a WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHMBULANCE!! The MSM still isn't paying attention to me!" :-({|= :((

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A little thing that's gotten glossed over in this is that the bio's description of Obama's parents isn't entirely accurate, either. At least, it's rather misleading.

When you read that someone is the son of "an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister," that tends to imply that that's what they were doing when he was born, or at the very least what they were doing when they were raising him. But Senior didn't become a finance minister until years after he'd left Ann and little Barry.

Whenever you hear Obama describe his father in the context of his relationship with his mother, the description is of the man he was at the time. I've never heard him talk about being born to a finance minister.

Now sure, part of that is image control, painting a picture of humble beginnings, but image control is what the Breitbart story is all ABOUT. If this bio was an intentional effort to manipulate his life story, then why highlight his father's status post-divorce? For four years, Obama has been accused of downplaying his father's connections; now we're supposed to believe that his original scheme was to paint himself simultaneously as an immigrant AND as the son of a government minister?

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MrBrown wrote:
Breitbart's incredibly messy journalistic work led to him getting slapped with a hefty defamation lawsuit. ".


"Messy"? That is being generous. Breitbart was intentionally dishonest to sway public opinion and influence policy. It worked with ACORN.

His dipshit lackies are even more dishonest than he is. Derek Bell was a shameful race bait. This is more of the same. They knew exactly what they were doing. Attempting to muddy the waters.

It apparently didn't turn out like they hoped for and now #breitbirther @benshapiro would really appreciate it if you stopped calling him a birther, y'all. And stop using birther hash tags on the twitter!

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 Post subject: Joel B. Pollak
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Breitbart is playing a strange game with this story. They are sticking to the 'we believe he was born in Hawai'i' story but look at this!

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Breitbart News attempted to contact Goderich and senior partner Jane Dystel several times over several days prior to publishing our original story. They chose not to respond.

The real mystery is not where Obama was born--which has long been settled--but why Goddard failed to ask her agent a single relevant follow-up question about how the 'fact checking error' occurred in the first place.


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... t-Agencies

Once an error is in print, it is very hard to get it corrected once you know it's there. Obama was an unknown until his Democratic Convention speech. His book had been published but did not start selling well until after that speech brought him attention. That was when the error was noticed and corrected.

Anyone notice the fact-checking error in the quote above? Who is Goddard? How did this error occur and why doesn't the writer explain how this error occurred?

Breitbart News knew what effect a story like this would have on the RWNJ websites and that most of them would not bother to print the agent's statement taking the blame for the error or that she would be believed if they did.

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The real mystery is not where Obama was born--which has long been settled--but why Goddard failed to ask her agent a single relevant follow-up question about how the 'fact checking error' occurred in the first place.


Anyone notice the fact-checking error in the quote above? Who is Goddard? How did this error occur and why doesn't the writer explain how this error occurred?


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Political Wire is run by Taegan Goddard, a client of Goderich's agency, Dystel & Goderich.

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Just getting up to speed on what I missed... this was in 1991? In 1990, HLS student Barack Obama was elected president of the HLR. Hundreds of newspapers in 1990 and 1991 had picked up the AP story or had written their own stories, all saying Obama was born in Hawaii. (Here's a few, at this marvelous website I've discovered. http://www.thefogbow.com/special-report ... 3/#Contemp ) An obscure PR publication featuring many famous authors plus a client who never produced the book promised in the bio? Who was probably included because they need a minority face? Compared to reams of clippings from real publications? For this I came back from vacation?

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Yes, but Goddard is a man. Dystal would be his agent.

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Yes, but Goddard is a man. Dystal would be his agent.


Ah ... different typo, then.

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In the US Taegan seems uni-sex, but predominantly a girl's name (maybe a mis-spelling of Teagan).
Edit : yet another error corrected!

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Goddard's Political Wire has Ken Bennett in a radio interview talking about his request to Hawai'i for verification of the LFBC info.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/ ... ml#047993a

He's contemplating asking all the candidates for their certified BC's........or he may not put Obama on the ballot.

He's miffed that Hawai'i hasn't answered because he's just using a provision in their state law to get verification. It's so simple that he can't understand why they would hesitate. :roll: ](*,) ](*,)

Should the interview be cross-posted in another thread?

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esseff44 wrote:
Goddard's Political Wire has Ken Bennett in a radio interview talking about his request to Hawai'i for verification of the LFBC info.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/ ... ml#047993a

He's contemplating asking all the candidates for their certified BC's........or he may not put Obama on the ballot.

He's miffed that Hawai'i hasn't answered because he's just using a provision in their state law to get verification. It's so simple that he can't understand why they would hesitate. :roll: ](*,) ](*,)

Should the interview be cross-posted in another thread?


Looks like the Obama Campaign's lawyers in AZ need to be alerted too. Also.

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I was debunking this on the GOGOP website when they blocked me from commenting. Apperently I nad been marked as a spammer. So much for the Fogbow going underground, amiright.

http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2012/05/18/shocker/

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The right wing propagandists at breitbart are furious that their big reveal has been greeted with amused chuckles.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism ... Lit-Agency

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Breitbart: A 'Fact Checking Error'? Dystel & Goderich Ask Writers to Submit Their Own Bios
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Submission guidelines at the Dystel & Goderich website (original emphasis): "[Y]ou should describe in two or three sentences — no more — what the book will be about. This is followed by another brief paragraph on why it is being written and then another on why you are qualified to write it....Finally, there should be a more formal narrative Bio of the author."

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Now let me say right up front: when it comes to Obama, I'm not going to speculate who wrote what, when. Dystel had assistants, one of whom is now her partner, Miriam Goderich, who says the whole Obama-born-in-Kenya thing was a fact-checking mistake by her. And I cannot speak specifically to the mechanism of Dystel's publicity.

[...]

All material she used in our proposals came directly from me and my writing partner. She edited our rough-draft proposals and gave us feedback, but the final versions were all ours. Our final versions, bio included, were then simply photo-copied, by us, and distributed to potential publishers. This was back in the pre-Google days, recall.

I was asked to write the bio in the third person.

SUCK IT, OBOTS!!!!

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Well why consider the fact that an organization may not follow procedure to the letter when the much better explanation is a conspiracy.

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Well why consider the fact that an organization may not follow procedure to the letter when the much better explanation is a conspiracy.

Why consider an express disclaimer when an apples-to-not-apples (Obama was published; this dude was shopping a proposal) aligns with your viewpoint.

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Why consider an express disclaimer when an apples-to-not-apples (Obama was published; this dude was shopping a proposal) aligns with your viewpoint.

Why did I even assume that the Breitbart people wouldn't misrepresent two different things?

](*,) ](*,) ](*,) It's even dumber than I thought it was. Even after dealing with birthers for four years, that saying never gets old.

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Breitbart: A 'Fact Checking Error'? Dystel & Goderich Ask Writers to Submit Their Own Bios
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Submission guidelines at the Dystel & Goderich website (original emphasis): "[Y]ou should describe in two or three sentences — no more — what the book will be about. This is followed by another brief paragraph on why it is being written and then another on why you are qualified to write it....Finally, there should be a more formal narrative Bio of the author."


Seriously?

The linked-to page on the Dystel website is for "Nonfiction Proposal Guidelines." The instructions are for people who are submitting book proposals to Dystel, seeking representation from a literary agent and trying to sell a book.

The bios in the brochure, meanwhile, are for people who are ALREADY represented by Dystel, and who ALREADY have book deals. That's why they're in the brochure.

Sure, it's not totally unreasonable that the latter bio might be drawn from information included in the first. But it's frankly ignorant to conclude that a proposal bio is what's intended to be cut-and-pasted for the agency's promotional literature.

(Edit: And now I see that bob covered this in substantially fewer words. Ah well.)

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I have a debate with a friend on facebook about this.
This is what he has to say:

"Steve, he is a liar. People like Barack and Lizzy Warren like to use race and ethnicity, when it suits them. When Lizzy Warren applies for a job, she claims to be Cherokee (which she can only be 1/64th at that if in fact she is) Of course this woman is going to crap her pants way after the fact. If you read the article I posted, you would know that this information was cleansed from their internet records in 2007 when he announced his candidacy. He was a proud Kenyan born writer/ activist until he ran for state senate. Now he isn't. At least he didn't feel the need to correct this "typo" as you call it, throughout the last couple of decades. By the way, Breitbart is still dead and so is the poisoned coroner who performed his autopsy. I will tell you who is not afraid, Reverend Wright. In fact, when Obama tried to bribe him during the 2008 campaign, Wright refused to accept. He may be a bad guy but at least he speaks his mind and is honest about his feelings. Obama is just a fraud, whether he was born in Kenya or Hawaii."

Should I just cut to the chase, call him a %$^$# moron and defriend him?


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DrIrvingFinegarten wrote:
I have a debate with a friend on facebook about this.
This is what he has to say:

"Steve, he is a liar. People like Barack and Lizzy Warren like to use race and ethnicity, when it suits them. When Lizzy Warren applies for a job, she claims to be Cherokee (which she can only be 1/64th at that if in fact she is) Of course this woman is going to crap her pants way after the fact. If you read the article I posted, you would know that this information was cleansed from their internet records in 2007 when he announced his candidacy. He was a proud Kenyan born writer/ activist until he ran for state senate. Now he isn't. At least he didn't feel the need to correct this "typo" as you call it, throughout the last couple of decades. By the way, Breitbart is still dead and so is the poisoned coroner who performed his autopsy. I will tell you who is not afraid, Reverend Wright. In fact, when Obama tried to bribe him during the 2008 campaign, Wright refused to accept. He may be a bad guy but at least he speaks his mind and is honest about his feelings. Obama is just a fraud, whether he was born in Kenya or Hawaii."

Should I just cut to the chase, call him a %$^$# moron and defriend him?



No offense, but your friend is nuts. I wouldn't bother arguing, he sounds like a lost cause to me.

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I think copying the last comment in this picture would be the appropriate comment

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He doesn't have a single bit of proof for anything he just said, he just wants you to spend effort disproving it, and then ignoring what you said while he throws more bullshit at you. Good fucking riddance.

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I kinda liked the Wonkette smackdown on this

http://wonkette.com/472990/you-dont-got ... ore-472990

No easy way to stay within the 4 graph rule, ya just has to go read.

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For the record, that really is a friend, who kind of remind me of the Robin Williams character in The Survivors. It's not me.
I'm just getting very frustrated dealing with this crap and how someone whom I'd think is smarter than that would go along with it.


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I kinda liked the Wonkette smackdown on this

http://wonkette.com/472990/you-dont-got ... ore-472990

No easy way to stay within the 4 graph rule, ya just has to go read.


=D> \:D/ :lol: :-bd =)) That was great!

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BillTheCat wrote:
DrIrvingFinegarten wrote:
I have a debate with a friend on facebook about this.
This is what he has to say:

"Steve, he is a liar. People like Barack and Lizzy Warren like to use race and ethnicity, when it suits them. When Lizzy Warren applies for a job, she claims to be Cherokee (which she can only be 1/64th at that if in fact she is) Of course this woman is going to crap her pants way after the fact. If you read the article I posted, you would know that this information was cleansed from their internet records in 2007 when he announced his candidacy. He was a proud Kenyan born writer/ activist until he ran for state senate. Now he isn't. At least he didn't feel the need to correct this "typo" as you call it, throughout the last couple of decades. By the way, Breitbart is still dead and so is the poisoned coroner who performed his autopsy. I will tell you who is not afraid, Reverend Wright. In fact, when Obama tried to bribe him during the 2008 campaign, Wright refused to accept. He may be a bad guy but at least he speaks his mind and is honest about his feelings. Obama is just a fraud, whether he was born in Kenya or Hawaii."

Should I just cut to the chase, call him a %$^$# moron and defriend him?



No offense, but your friend is nuts. I wouldn't bother arguing, he sounds like a lost cause to me.


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