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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:41 pm 
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On the other hand, could anyone seemingly so incompetent actually pull off a conspiracy? :?: :-? :?:

Well, stupid people have tried to pull off conspiracies. They tend to end up defeated, in prison, or dead. Some Birfers would surely qualify for this role. They strike me as the sort of people who, if they were crooks of a different kind, would call 911 to complain if the clerk at the gas station refused to hand over the cash at gunpoint.

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On the other hand, could anyone seemingly so incompetent actually pull off a conspiracy? :?: :-? :?:

Well, stupid people have tried to pull off conspiracies. They tend to end up defeated, in prison, or dead. Some Birfers would surely qualify for this role. They strike me as the sort of people who, if they were crooks of a different kind, would call 911 to complain if the clerk at the gas station refused to hand over the cash at gunpoint.

Well, that would be a life-threatening situation. 8>

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In the outpatient setting at a teaching clinic, if the patient consents, a resident or med student is still allowed to take the history & do part of the exam on their own at first, then present the case verbally to the attending faculty outside the patient's room. They then go back to the patient together, & the attending needs to repeat/confirm pertinent parts of the history, repeat parts of the exam & document this in writing, even if their notes are redundant. No more "I concur with the findings, diagnosis & plan of....[student or resident]...signed Dr X." My first thought on hearing of the Palafox resignation was that some scandal about this, for the whole med school, might soon break shortly. But there's nothing & as June Bug said, Dr Palafox is back at his old job with no problems, except some embarassment & confusion. I wish him well.

Weird :-k


Yeah, at my med school, signed consent to be seen by medical student and/or residents is required before admission or being treated at an outpatient clinic. Though, our attendings basically just addend our notes and edit any changes and simply say "I saw this patient as well and concur" they don't have to type out a separate note. I think it varies from hospital to hospital. My pediatrics rotation was at a separate and well known pediatric hospital and we wrote notes that didn't count and the residents had to write their own notes.

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Any updates on the Palafox episode?

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Not a word...weird, I calls it. :-k

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There is probably a better thread to bump than this one, but I thought I'd let you folks know that Gov Abercrombie...whom I still support... has nonetheless, let some of us down again. The new DOH director is Loretta Fuddy. I want to be fair, but she's a truly mediocre choice. She has been a state employee for decades & I don't feel confident that she really understands the challenges faced by the healthcare community today. I have no idea how she'll respond to Birthers. I'm just glad to say that I no longer work for the DOH. I was lucky to work for them when Dr Jack Lewin was our boss, & he helped us feel enthused about the state DOH's mission. Loretta?? Meh...

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Good lord. The birfers are licking their chops.

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Jerome Corsi has an update about the Palafox thing.

See Hawaii guv's terse letter about firing of health chief
Unexplained actions stir controversy after birth-certificate guardian yanked


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But Slom adds he would be happy to use the Palafox case if it would permit him to open up to the public any birth records the Hawaii health department has.

"If Palafox serves as a shoehorn to get for the public any Obama birth records the Hawaii Department of Health has, I am all for doing so," he said. "I don't understand why Obama has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep all his records from the public – not just his Hawaii birth records, but his passport records and his school records. All Obama's records should be public, including any Hawaii birth records that exist."

Slom said Abercrombie did conduct a search for Obama birth records – he wasn't sure if Abercrombie looked himself, or if he sent someone to search the records.



There's more.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=271329

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:evil: Thanks for the link mimi. Sam Slom is my very own Hawaii state senator. Bleecchh....& where's the barfing smiley! Here's hoping that I can find the time to confront him for wasting his time on Birthers, or at least send a letter. It is especially irritating to know that Slom was a "supposed" friend & colleague of Madeline Dunham, our President's beloved Grandmother.

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I don't get the Loretta Fuddy appointment either, No Pilikia, particularly after his initial choice of Palafox. Though I don't have any DOH experience, my non-profit deals with DOH a lot and everything I've heard mirrors your take on Fuddy: a long-term bureaucrat who knows the "system" but really doesn't have the talent and the insight to deal with today's challenges.

BTW - re: mimi's post from WND - I haven't been able to find any other source for Senator Slom's full quote than WND, nor any mention of it on any credible website (obviously "credible" leaves out Freeperville, etc.).

Byron York, whom I can't stand, has a profile of Hawaii's one-party system focusing on Slom. In the first part, he flat out states:
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Slom, the lone Senate Republican in the state of President Obama’s birth...


He goes on to include this info on the BC controversy, which includes this:
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Like a lot of Hawaii pols, Slom was mystified by Abercrombie’s short-lived effort to make public Obama’s original, long-form birth certificate, which the president has never given permission to release. The birther issue had been waning in recent months, but Abercrombie’s announcement reignited it. “I think it was part ego,” Slom says of Abercrombie’s motive, “and it might have been part anger that this (birther) thing was still going on. It was dying down, so to bring it up was inappropriate.”


And that's all. In fact, I now wonder if this was WND's original source and they simply made up the rest of it.

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jeez.....is Neil working for Berg? I know....he had good intentions, but he should have done it quietly and kept it off the radar.


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Abercrombie's actions were foolish, risky, and counterproductive. It's possible that they were part of a concerted conspiracy to "stoke the birther coals" so that the issue wouldn't die out, out of a belief that it helps the Democrats in the long run. But I doubt that, because if that was the goal, the plan was extremely risky and could backfire at any moment. I doubt any political strategist at a high level would bother taking such risks with such little up-side and significant down-side.

The fatal flaw in his approach is that he took the position that "something more" needed to be done to conclusively prove the birthers wrong, and that's exactly the problem: if we already know they're wrong, why do we need something more? By claiming he was going to dig up even better evidence than what already exists, he set himself up for the argument that what already exists is insufficent. Ultimately, his actions fed directly into the delusional thinking of birthers, by reinforcing their arguments rather than undermining them.

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Abercrombie's actions were foolish, risky, and counterproductive. It's possible that they were part of a concerted conspiracy to "stoke the birther coals" so that the issue wouldn't die out, out of a belief that it helps the Democrats in the long run. But I doubt that, because if that was the goal, the plan was extremely risky and could backfire at any moment. I doubt any political strategist at a high level would bother taking such risks with such little up-side and significant down-side.

The fatal flaw in his approach is that he took the position that "something more" needed to be done to conclusively prove the birthers wrong, and that's exactly the problem: if we already know they're wrong, why do we need something more? By claiming he was going to dig up even better evidence than what already exists, he set himself up for the argument that what already exists is insufficent. Ultimately, his actions fed directly into the delusional thinking of birthers, by reinforcing their arguments rather than undermining them.

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Apuzzo is only a little late to the party: Governor Abercrombie’s Bogus Quest to Prove Obama Was Born in Hawaii

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Abercrombie's actions were foolish, risky, and counterproductive. It's possible that they were part of a concerted conspiracy to "stoke the birther coals" so that the issue wouldn't die out, out of a belief that it helps the Democrats in the long run. But I doubt that, because if that was the goal, the plan was extremely risky and could backfire at any moment. I doubt any political strategist at a high level would bother taking such risks with such little up-side and significant down-side.

The fatal flaw in his approach is that he took the position that "something more" needed to be done to conclusively prove the birthers wrong, and that's exactly the problem: if we already know they're wrong, why do we need something more? By claiming he was going to dig up even better evidence than what already exists, he set himself up for the argument that what already exists is insufficent. Ultimately, his actions fed directly into the delusional thinking of birthers, by reinforcing their arguments rather than undermining them.


I think Abercrombie just had an emotional knee-jerk reaction, after 2 years of hearing BS about Hawaii & how we functon here. The local Obama supporters I know talk about other issues & have no desire to "stoke the birther coals." Most folks here still just laugh at this, as they did this AM with The Donald, when he had a local interview this morning.

It's a different game on the national level. The President drives the nutters crazy with his silence, & the worst of the GOP base keep shooting themselves in the foot with their stupidity.

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I think Abercrombie just had an emotional knee-jerk reaction, after 2 years of hearing BS about Hawaii & how we functon here. The local Obama supporters I know talk about other issues & have no desire to "stoke the birther coals." Most folks here still just laugh at this, as they did this AM with The Donald, when he had a local interview this morning.


I agree. His actions have the look of someone who got irritated with bullshit, went off half-cocked, and said dumb stuff without thinking about it. A premeditated attempt to "stoke the birther coals" would have made more sense and made him look less dumb, I think.

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Neil Abercrombie speaks to the 'Hawaii News Now'. He's cross with Trump, but doesn't specifically address Trump's claim that he(Abercrombie) 'took one for the party'. :((

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Hawaii News Now caught up to Governor Neil Abercrombie and asked him to clarify what he meant when he said he was "there."

"Of course here in Hawaii," Abercrombie said.

"Not in the room?" we asked.

"Let's be serious. It is simply reprehensible to have this kind of conversation. Insulting someone's mother and father speaks about the person who is doing it," Abercrombie said.

(Snipped Abercrombie calling Trump a 'serial bankrupt' :D )

As for Obama's roots in Hawaii, Abercrombie told Hawaii News Now he first laid eyes on baby Barack Obama a few days after he was born. Abercrombie said Obama's parents introduced their newborn to friends at the University of Hawaii where Abercrombie was going to college with the president's father.


A bit more http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/1447 ... ther-issue


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The comments there could use some help. So far only handful of birthtards have left any.

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No Pilikia wrote:
I think Abercrombie just had an emotional knee-jerk reaction, after 2 years of hearing BS about Hawaii & how we functon here. The local Obama supporters I know talk about other issues & have no desire to "stoke the birther coals." Most folks here still just laugh at this, as they did this AM with The Donald, when he had a local interview this morning.


I agree. His actions have the look of someone who got irritated with bullshit, went off half-cocked, and said dumb stuff without thinking about it. A premeditated attempt to "stoke the birther coals" would have made more sense and made him look less dumb, I think.


Neil's handling of Birthers has been poor compared to the Lingle administration's. Locally, everyone laughs at Birthers but many are pissed off at Neil's performance as the Gov.

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We all knew that Neil Abercrombie was a hothead, the kind of guy whose usual shtick is rich with bombast, hyperbole and overheated indignation. When he was 5,000 miles away it wasn't so loud. Somehow, during his campaign for governor, he managed to convince an overwhelming number of Hawaii Democratic voters that he had somehow mellowed. In comparison with the Hannemann "If-you-aren't-with-me-you-are-against-me-and-you-must-be-punished" campaign, Abercrombie almost seemed like a sweet grandpa. We forgot that sometimes this grandpa can go off, and unlike Hannemann, he does his own dirty work. Bad Mufi had his XXL red-shirted supporters shouting down the opposition at debates. Bad Neil shouted down a nurse on Maui. Bad Mufi had his minions write angry response letters to every word of public criticism. Bad Neil barks, "I'm not your friend!"

It's looking like Abercrombie isn't anybody's friend. Gov. Linda Lingle's loathsome furlough Fridays were at least agreed upon by the teachers union. Abercrombie's last, best offer is being forced upon Hawaii's overworked, undervalued public school teachers. No employee wants a pay cut, but worse than that is having no voice in the negotiations. That is the insult to the injury.
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A leader has to make difficult, often unpopular decisions, particularly in tough times. But a good leader can make those decisions dispassionately, even graciously, and convey a message of "this must be done for the greater good," which makes the action seem less onerous. Abercrombie has shed the "good listener uncle" he was portraying during the campaign and has become the "because I said so" angry czar who people are beginning to resent.

His term in office has just begun, and the tough times aren't going to end overnight, which means Abercrombie will probably face many more unpopular decisions. He's right; he's not our friend. But he promised to be our leader, and [highlight]a leader needs to lift up people during the hard times[/highlight], not just scream at them to suck it up and not talk back.
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Abercrombie now has the distinction of being America's least popular governor.http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/1577 ... in-america

He recently had several of his key advisers bail on him. Not that Birthers have anything to do with this, but many in the medical community continue to find Loretta Fuddy a disappointment. On coverage of local health issues, I think I've only seen Fuddy speak once. Her more competent deputies like Dr Park in epidemiology & Gary Gill in environmental health do a much better job than she does. Oh well, at least the AG's office has competent folks like Jill Nagamine.

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