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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:21 pm 
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My letter to governor of HI, closing the communication gap with a FOIA request!
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Via certified mail

The Honorable Neil Abercrombie

Governor, State of Hawai`i

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Honolulu, Hawai`i 96813

Phone: 808-586-0034

Fax: 808-586-0006

Dear Governor Abercrombie,

Congratulations on your election. Recently I went to your web site and found the following annuncement:

Contact the Governor »

Governor Abercrombie is committed to closing the communication gap between Hawai`i’s people and their government. Using this section, you may: send your questions, comments, concerns, or messages of aloha; request a meeting; request a special message, commendation, or proclamation; and sign up to receive email updates from Governor Abercrombie.

As such, Aloha Governor! I am most eagerly trying to close the communication gap by raising the following concern:

Recently in the interview to Honolulu Star-Advertiser you most eloquently stated that Mr. Obama’s eligibility needs to be resolved in the near future, so that the office of the U.S. presidency will get due respect and so that this issue does not remain a nagging problem for the next elections cycle. I could not agree with you more. I currently represent over 200 members of the U.S. military, multiple State Representatives from all over the country and former U.N. Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes, whom you no doubt know and respect. All of my clients demand an answer to the issue of presidential eligibility.

As you may know, recently a U.S. army decorated officer and a flight surgeon Lieutenant Colonel Dr. Lakin question M, Obama’s eligibility. He did not get any answers from his superiors in the military and he was court marshaled. Presiding judge Denise Lind refused to let him testify about the issue of eligibility, she also refused to let two decorated generals: Major General Paul Vallely and Brig. General Tomas McInerney testify at his trial and consequently Lt. Col Lakin was sentenced to six months incarceration in the military prison. Even though predominantly left leaning media refused to repost on this event, the news spread as a wild fire and is currentlycausing great discontent among members of the U.S. military. Members of the military are questioning whether they can take orders from the Commander-in-Chief, who would send an innocent man and a war hero to prison rather than show his vital records.I am sure you would agree that such state of affairs is unacceptable and will lead to a revolt sooner or later. Such revolt might have unintended consequences.Recently you stated that you found archive information relating to Mr. Obama’s birth. As such under the 5 USC §552 I request for myself and my forensic document expert access to the archives, that contain Mr. Obama’s vital records or vital information.

I respectfully request such access and information within 20 days as provided for FOIA requests.

Wih great respect,

Dr. Orly Taitz, ESQ

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:25 pm 
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FOIA??!? The State of Hawaii is now the federal government?

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Only Orly would find the Governor's comments to the Star Advertiser "eloquently stated".

Edit: [highlight]Currently represents[/highlight] 200 members of military? Bull. But threatening that your military "clients" will lead a revolt is a nice touch Dr. Taitz. BTW, what are "unintended consequences" of military insurrection?

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Only Orly would find the Governor's comments to the Star Advertiser "eloquently stated".

Eloquent is relative. When you compare anything to Orly's court filings, anything else is eloquent.


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The UK 'Daily Mail' appears to have lifted its reporting of Abercrombie's misguided efforts directly from WND.

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Pressure was mounting on Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie today amid increasing confusion over whether President Obama was born there.

Abercrombie said on Tuesday that an investigation had unearthed papers proving Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.

He told Honolulu's Star-Advertiser: 'It actually exists in the archives, written down,' he said.

But it became apparent that what had been discovered was an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives and not a birth certificate.
And in the same interview Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1Bge21LKP


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Contact the Governor »

Governor Abercrombie is committed to closing the communication gap between Hawai`i’s people and their government.


Orly, YOU are not one of Hawai`i’s people.

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As such under the 5 USC §552 I request for myself and my forensic document expert access to the archives, that contain Mr. Obama’s vital records or vital information.

I respectfully request such access and information within 20 days as provided for FOIA requests.


There is no way YOU and your "forensic document expert" are ever going to have access to any actual records, Bozo.

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I'm sure all of you have seen this BS.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:19 pm 
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(Cross-posted, for the record, from Potpouri)

Fun New Birther Conspiracy Based Upon Illiteracy
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/01/21/fun-new-birther-conspiracy-based-upon-illiteracy.aspx

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tjh wrote:
(Cross-posted, for the record, from Potpouri)

Fun New Birther Conspiracy Based Upon Illiteracy
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/01/21/fun-new-birther-conspiracy-based-upon-illiteracy.aspx


I had no doubt the story was a distortion when I linked back to WND and Corsi. I knew it was all lies. That's not the point. The point is Abercrombie is an idiot for even given this lip service, because we all knew damn well that, no matter what he found, WND would lie about it and stir up more birther lies to perpetuate the non-conspiracy.

This is why Abercrombie is a dumb ass. He should have ignored the damn thing.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:38 pm 
From Weigel's article at Slate:

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This is basically gibberish. It doesn't matter what record Hawaii has. It matters that the state has a record, and that the record confirms what was reported in 1961 in the births sections of Hawaii newspapers. But this is the problem with birthers, and why I'm so bored with them. They reverse-engineer every bit of news to find gerunds and commas that may, perhaps, in a manner of speaking, prove that there is a shadow of a doubt of skepticism about Obama's birth.




Have we not been saying the same thing for 2+ years?! I think "gibberish" is an excellent word for us to use, as well as the phrase "reverse-engineer every bit of news". It's Exactly what they do. Every time. With every document. Miss Tickly's latest breakdown of an answer from Hawaii is a reverse-engineering exercise. Another description is "dry lab" which is to know the answer to a lab experiment and then fake the data to support it instead of doing the lab work.


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...This is why Abercrombie is a dumb ass. He should have ignored the damn thing.

Yes. Once he had stupidly ventured into the issue on his own motion, the only thing that he should have discussed is his personal knowledge of the President's mother and father. He should never have responded to the question about the birth certificate, saying instead something like "That question was answered during the Administration of my predecessor." Does he not have an adviser with the sense to tell him that? Although people have spoken well about Gov. Abercrombie, my regard for him is declining rather quickly.

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...This is why Abercrombie is a dumb ass. He should have ignored the damn thing.

Yes. Once he had stupidly ventured into the issue on his own motion, the only thing that he should have discussed is his personal knowledge of the President's mother and father. He should never have responded to the question about the birth certificate, saying instead something like "That question was answered during the Administration of my predecessor." Does he not have an adviser with the sense to tell him that? Although people have spoken well about Gov. Abercrombie, my regard for him is declining rather quickly.


When I was stationed on the Islands (at the same time as Lakin), it was well known that Abercrombie is an absolute Moron.

He's the Hawaiian version of Joe Biden.

Lingle might have been boring as watching paint dry, but she was smart enough not to step in this crap.

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Phil (at RSOL) dehiberates, posts about the nonstory (but closes comments), and rehibernates.

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I called it!

Back on December 29, I wrote:

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I think Abercrombie's a fool for talking about his intentions before he's actually finalized any arrangements. Because now what he's done is raised expectations that will be expected to be met. If Abercrombie says he wants to release the long-form and then *doesn't* release it, that's just going to throw gas on the flame of the conspiracy claims. I appreciate his intentions, but he spoke up way too early.


Now Neal Boortz has historically been very dismissive of Birthers. But in the wake of Abercrombie's comments, he has this to say:

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If you listen to me you know that my position is that we should forget this birther stuff and just concentrate on defeating this dangerous man in 2012 and continuing to undo the damage he has done in his ongoing efforts to "radically transform" our Republic. But the Hawaii governor stepped up to say he was going to put the controversy to rest. It's time to perform. If he doesn't .... Then the controversy grows.

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/01/19/2011-01-19_record_of_obamas_birth_is_in_the_archives_hawaii_gov.html

Record of President Obama's birth in 1961 is 'in the archives': Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie

By Michael Sheridan
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Wednesday, January 19th 2011, 2:32 PM

Officials in Hawaii have tracked down papers indicating that President Obama was indeed born in their state, according to its new governor.

Gov. Neil Abercrombie, who took office in December, told Honolulu's Star-Advertiser on Tuesday that "our investigation" indicates there is a recording of his birth.

"It actually exists in the archives, written down," he said.

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/01/19/2011-01-19_record_of_obamas_birth_is_in_the_archives_hawaii_gov.html

Record of President Obama's birth in 1961 is 'in the archives': Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie

By Michael Sheridan
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Wednesday, January 19th 2011, 2:32 PM

Officials in Hawaii have tracked down papers indicating that President Obama was indeed born in their state, according to its new governor.

Gov. Neil Abercrombie, who took office in December, told Honolulu's Star-Advertiser on Tuesday that "our investigation" indicates there is a recording of his birth.

"It actually exists in the archives, written down," he said.

To WND and the birfers, that's an admission the long form doesn't exist.

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I called it!

Back on December 29, I wrote:

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I think Abercrombie's a fool for talking about his intentions before he's actually finalized any arrangements. Because now what he's done is raised expectations that will be expected to be met. If Abercrombie says he wants to release the long-form and then *doesn't* release it, that's just going to throw gas on the flame of the conspiracy claims. I appreciate his intentions, but he spoke up way too early.


Now Neal Boortz has historically been very dismissive of Birthers. But in the wake of Abercrombie's comments, he has this to say:

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If you listen to me you know that my position is that we should forget this birther stuff and just concentrate on defeating this dangerous man in 2012 and continuing to undo the damage he has done in his ongoing efforts to "radically transform" our Republic. But the Hawaii governor stepped up to say he was going to put the controversy to rest. It's time to perform. If he doesn't .... Then the controversy grows.


You were absolutely correct. Though, when you account for the "moron" factor when dealing with anything Abercrombie does, it didn't take Kreskin to see this one coming.

Seriously. The guy is an idiot.

And I say that as a loyal Democrat.

Now, my family is all from Southern Missouri. Down there, we have a saying: "Don't get in a pissing match with a skunk."

Good advice that someone should have told Abercrombie.

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HONOLULU – Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie will end his quest to prove President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii because it's against state law to release private documents, his office said Friday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110122/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate

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HONOLULU – Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie will end his quest to prove President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii because it's against state law to release private documents, his office said Friday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110122/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate

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HONOLULU – Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie will end his quest to prove President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii because it's against state law to release private documents, his office said Friday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110122/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate

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Why on earth did he even start this.


The post explains about the index data, it explains the privacy rules, but it doesn't matter. He just fed the birfers.




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Yeah...auwe Neil !.... I'm disappointed that he gave this issue the recent media time it's had. Very lazy of him to not have checked out basic privacy laws first. He also has unique access to the President I think, and maybe should have discussed this with him first? I'm still guessing that he had a knee-jerk personal reaction: -- like many of us might have had if an old college friend were attacked.

I'll just throw out a guess, but the Obama Presidential library will one day have some type of reproduction of his original COLB, where his mother's OB's name will be known. For the sake of that Doc's family, I'm now GLAD that this won't occur for a few years. Once a President has served his 8 years, wouldn't a document like a photo of the Hawaii 1961 micro-fiche at DOH, just become a historical document? How would privacy laws intervene at that point?

Is Reagan's original BC on file in Sylmar? Is Dubya proudly posting his original BC somewhere?

Enquiring minds want to know.

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It won't happen until at least another 15 years. The privacy laws usually open up access after 75 years after the event has occurred for Genealogical purposes.


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This episode was as predictable as birther litigation.

I've known Biden for ages, and while he can do some funny stuff from time to time, I'd like to think he wouldn't have done something this thick-headed.

Being governor simply does not entitle you to release personal records held by the state.

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Dumb like a fox, Abercommie my new hero. The man who brought Rush Limpballs firmly into the Birfer Camp.
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Outstanding plan, outstanding result. May he bring Beck along too. [-o<

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