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OMG. Once upon a time, Chuck Barris looked like an old man to me.

Thankee for Canookian gun laws. *imaginary barrel-to-temple-POOF""

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Looking at the other cases on the judge's docket tomorrow... The case before hers involves sex trafficking of children by force, fraud or coercion.

These absurd legal shenanigans must stop. Real resources that could be used to help real people's lives are being diverted to this crap. Vanity insanity.


That certainly puts this in perspective. Orly would, without a doubt, claim that her TPO hearing is sooooo much more important that child sec trafficking.


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Pamela Barnett U.S. army intelligence officer seeking to authenticate a FOIA response from the state department as was received by Chris Strunck (you have FOIA in exhibits)

That won't draw an objection at all, nooooo sir!


WTF! Seeking to authenticate? Good dog. How absurd.

Will Irey appear? I would put money down on "No".


And WTF?! Orly just issued another subpoena? Geithner; he is to appear tomorrow at 1:00 pm.

:evil: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?attachment_id=373356 :evil:


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Place to appear? Orly's email addy.

Orly needs to be slapped hard for this subpoena shit. She is subpoenaing the Secretary of the Treasury less than 24 hours before a court hearing ... and there's a 3 hour time difference. And he's supposed to appear at her email address.

Edit: Dolly beat me to the Geithner subpoena info! :(( :(( :((



Dog, I'm so confused. Has Orly also requested more time for her TPO?

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Orly's list of witlesses.
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1. Paul Irey (you have his affidavit and article) former employee of National Security agency, 57 years of experince in typesetting, typing systems and computer graphics
2. Pamela Barnett U.S. army intelligence officer seeking to authenticate a FOIA response from the state department as was received by Chris Strunck (you have FOIA in exhibits)
3. possibly former senior officer of Scotland Yard elite unit of anti Communist Proliferation and anti organized crime Neil Sankey

Isn't she wonderfully predictable?

It doesn't matter what the venue - state or Fed -- nor the purpose of the trial or hearing. Orly's always there with the same merry band of "experts" and the same zibits with circles and arrows on foamcore, putting on the same show. It's like a band that only knows one song. You can request whatever you like, but what you get is always the same.

And all of this is a triumph to her because she is able to get it "into the public record." Which is why she sends around her loss to the empty chair on DVD like it's a huge accomplishment, and published the audio of the Indiana judge shutting down the case in the middle of Irey's testimony. Those are wins for her, because she got to go up on stage and sing her song again.

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Will Irey appear? I would put money down on "No".

Edit: Dolly beat me to the Geithner subpoena info! :(( :(( :((


regarding Irey :evil: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=373315 :evil:
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he is coming

regarding "Dolly beat me to the Geithner subpoena info!" ;) =))
LM K, just so you know.. I have LOVED your posts!


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For years, I and probably every other legal-minded member of TFB/Politijab deliberately did not publicly mention the subpoena power attorneys have, fearing that Taitz would discover it and abuse it. I think we did a public service by not openly discussing such tactics, and saved the courts and the taxpayers a lot of time and resources by refusing to give her a roadmap on how to abuse people. All of her cases, until recently, were purely complaints that were then attacked with motions to dismiss, that were granted.

The proof that we saved resources is evident in this case, by which point she has obviously discovered the awesome power of subpoenas of her own accord. We're sorry, world at large. But we at TFB did what we could in keeping with journalistic ethics even though we're not journalists per se.

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Johnny Foreigner wrote:
Orly's list of witlesses.
Orly wrote:
1. Paul Irey (you have his affidavit and article) former employee of National Security agency, 57 years of experince in typesetting, typing systems and computer graphics
2. Pamela Barnett U.S. army intelligence officer seeking to authenticate a FOIA response from the state department as was received by Chris Strunck (you have FOIA in exhibits)
3. possibly former senior officer of Scotland Yard elite unit of anti Communist Proliferation and anti organized crime Neil Sankey

Isn't she wonderfully predictable?

It doesn't matter what the venue - state or Fed -- nor the purpose of the trial or hearing. Orly's always there with the same merry band of "experts" and the same zibits with circles and arrows on foamcore, putting on the same show. It's like a band that only knows one song. You can request whatever you like, but what you get is always the same.

And all of this is a triumph to her because she is able to get it "into the public record." Which is why she sends around her loss to the empty chair on DVD like it's a huge accomplishment, and published the audio of the Indiana judge shutting down the case in the middle of Irey's testimony. Those are wins for her, because she got to go up on stage and sing her song again.


Agreed. Her whole thing is about putting on a show, with her center stage. She's been told so many times that these folks are useless, aren't experts. Even the Conservative Fact Check group has disavowed her nonsense for this very reason. The wicked Moldovan Whirling Dervish simply does not care what the rules are or whether or not what she presents is credible. She doesn't care if she looks like a total fool, a complete legal incompetent, jumping up to testify when the Judge derides her, asking her sarcastically if she is making a closing argument or testifying. It's the Orly "Me, Me, ME" show that matters, regardless.

I continue to have this question:

For this TRO -- or for any TRO in this Court? -- in order to present witnesses, the Plaintiffs' "attorney" would have to have gotten say-so from the Court?

Or did I imagine that as being somewhere back in this thread?


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For this TRO -- or for any TRO in this Court? -- in order to present witnesses, the Plaintiffs' "attorney" would have to have gotten say-so from the Court?

Or did I imagine that as being somewhere back in this thread?


Plaintiffs "attorney" will probably not be allowed to present any witnesses at all. Requests for temporary orders are usually decided only on the affidavits submitted with the motion and legal arguments at the hearing. The very nature of the "emergency" hearing makes it impossible for the defense to prepare for "witnesses" who have not submitted an affidavit or who have not been deposed.

If a TRO is granted, based on what was submitted with the motion, it is temporary and is in effect only for the period of time needed for both sides to prepare their witnesses and evidence for another hearing on either a preliminary or permanent injunction.

Judge England could decide to hear witnesses. He could decide to extend the hearing in order to hear witnesses. But I would not expect him to do that unless he first decides to consolidate this TRO hearing with a "hearing on the merits". And, he wouldn't get to the witnesses unless he was satisfied regarding standing, justiciability, etc. Basically he could say, "you are all here, let's go, we'll decide this today", and then find there is no standing and that there is a political question. The entire case would be flushed down the crapper before the electoral roll call.

I note that this is pretty much what happened to her California elections case when she filed her emergency motion to compel Oxy to produce documents under a non-existent subpoena. Judge Margines disposed of that and then immediately asked Taitz to present arguments for her case-in-chief. All done by 3 p.m. Brunt toast.

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I think it was the Georgia case, with its downloadable pre-signed subpoena, that opened Orly's eyes to the whole "Sending out subpoenas" thing...having the judge then refuse to quash them emboldened her, and since she's been on a subpoena spree.

I think TFB did admirably in keeping that from her as long as they could.

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(h) Use of Affidavits. Factual contentions involved in pretrial motions shall be initially presented and heard upon affidavits, except that the Court may in its discretion require or allow oral examination of witnesses.


The rules are here: http://www.caed.uscourts.gov/caed/docum ... 4.2012.pdf

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O'rly has only to look at the legal career of her client, Keith Judd, to see how difficult it is to contain or slow down a determined and obsessive vexatious litigant. There is no reason to think that a lack of money or even extended periods of time in the cooler would slow her down any more than it has Prisoner Judd. She has a long way to go before she could come near his record or the court resources he has wasted.

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O'rly has only to look at the legal career of her client, Keith Judd, to see how difficult it is to contain or slow down a determined and obsessive vexatious litigant. There is no reason to think that a lack of money or even extended periods of time in the cooler would slow her down any more than it has Prisoner Judd. She has a long way to go before she could come near his record or the court resources he has wasted.


I do not think the privileged, wealthy scumbag who is Orly Taitz has as much tolerance for incarceration as the lunatic Keith Judd. I just don't think she likes jail as much as he does.

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I'm sure Taitz's boyfriend regaled her with his jail stories during the time they were together. I suspect jail and large fines are anathema to her.

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At the hearing on the request for temporary restraining order in the abovecaptioned case on January 3, 2012 at 2:00 p.m. in Courtroom 7, each side will be limited to twenty (20) minutes of oral argument in compliance with Fed. R. Civ. P. 78, Local Rule 230 and all relevant case law.

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YOU ARE COMMANDED to produce at the time. date, and place set forth below the following documents, electronically stored information, or objects. and permit their inspection, copying, testing, or sampling of the material: TECS (Treasury enforcement Computer systems) DOHS form SQ14 of passenger arrivals between 1979 1981, limited to pass6ngers under last name Obama, Soetoro, Soebarkah



WTF? First, the Treasury Enforcement Communications Systems were transferred to the Department of Homeland Security, so the Treasury Department no longer has control over TECS (although the Department, primarily through the Internal Revenue Service, does have access to it). Second, all information retrieved from TECS is for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. It is for law enforcement purposes only and none of the information in the databases is available to private citizens -- FOIA Exemption 7.

More info about TECS is available from the IRS Handbook of Criminal Investigation found here.

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Grinols order 20 minutes for hearing

:twisted: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?attachment_id=373422 :twisted:
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At the hearing on the request for temporary restraining order in the abovecaptioned case on January 3, 2012 at 2:00 p.m. in Courtroom 7, each side will be limited to twenty (20) minutes of oral argument in compliance with Fed. R. Civ. P. 78, Local Rule 230 and all relevant case law.


WTFFF? No time for witnesses? =))

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:twisted: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?attachment_id=373422 :twisted:
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At the hearing on the request for temporary restraining order in the abovecaptioned case on January 3, 2012 at 2:00 p.m. in Courtroom 7, each side will be limited to twenty (20) minutes of oral argument in compliance with Fed. R. Civ. P. 78, Local Rule 230 and all relevant case law.


WTFFF? No time for witnesses? =))


Would the Judge have issued this, in light of the whining from Madam Manic and her Flying Monkey e-mailers?


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At the hearing on the request for temporary restraining order in the above captioned case on January 3, 2012 at 2:00 p.m. in Courtroom 7, each side will be limited to twenty (20) minutes of oral argument in compliance with Fed. R. Civ. P. 78, Local Rule 230 and all relevant case law.


No witnesses. The Judge specifically cited Rule 230, which allows witnesses on motions only if ordered by the court. And the Judge reiterated the 20 minutes.

He's not going to waste time with Taitz.

Should be fun but short. A quick GTFOOMC and then it's over. (And, don't forget, there are two motions calendared. The Government has one, too. That will take half of the time.)

I sure hope Taitz spends a bundle for her witnesses. I hope Irey is already in the air.

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YOU ARE COMMANDED to produce at the time. date, and place set forth below the following documents, electronically stored information, or objects. and permit their inspection, copying, testing, or sampling of the material: TECS (Treasury enforcement Computer systems) DOHS form SQ14 of passenger arrivals between 1979 1981, limited to pass6ngers under last name Obama, Soetoro, Soebarkah



WTF? First, the Treasury Enforcement Communications Systems were transferred to the Department of Homeland Security, so the Treasury Department no longer has control over TECS (although the Department, primarily through the Internal Revenue Service, does have access to it). Second, all information retrieved from TECS is for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. It is for law enforcement purposes only and none of the information in the databases is available to private citizens -- FOIA Exemption 7.

More info about TECS is available from the IRS Handbook of Criminal Investigation found here.


Janet Napolitano thanks you in advance for the 2 AM subpoena.

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Irey sounds like a good neutral expert witness. And he'll prove a forgery from an Internet image, not from an analysis of the original documents.

Well, sorry for him, he worked so hard to enlarge his 'zibits with a foam core. Do these enlarged 'zibits also shrivel when poked with a pin :?:


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=)) =)) =)) =))

Why should she be left out?

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"Oral argument in compliance with . . . all relevant case law."

Let's see "relevant" case law -- Orly should be thus given no time at all. [-X

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Gee, there's that "Local Rule" thingie again. Ya know, like Local Rule 230:

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(g) Hearing and Oral Argument. Upon the call of the motion, the Court will hear appropriate and reasonable oral argument. Alternatively, the motion may be submitted upon the record and briefs on file if the parties stipulate thereto, or if the Court so orders, subject to the power of the Court to reopen the matter for further briefs or oral arguments or both. Any party that believes that extended oral argument, more than 10 minutes per side or 20 minutes in the aggregate, will be required shall notify the courtroom deputy clerk so that the hearing may be rescheduled if deemed appropriate by the Court.


IOW, Judge England is allowing double the usual amount of time.

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