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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:32 pm 
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Britty, one suggestion (actually a couple of places):

frivolous instead of "frivilous".

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Fan chew very much :) I knew it didn't look right.

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Will be back with the full text of the indecent liberties statute in a mo, in the meantime what follows is a draft of an e-mail to the NC State Bar person in charge of Unauthorized Practice of Law please let me know your thoughts on changes, corrections, etc., etc., etc.

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A Legal Lohengrin wrote:
So what is "indecent liberty with child?"


Beats me ... but maybe LADY Liberty knows ...

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Litlebritdifrnt2 wrote:
Will be back with the full text of the indecent liberties statute in a mo, in the meantime what follows is a draft of an e-mail to the NC State Bar person in charge of Unauthorized Practice of Law please let me know your thoughts on changes, corrections, etc., etc., etc.

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You might want to add the URL to Orlys website / page, as others may not be quite as familiar with her as this community.

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Litlebritdifrnt2 wrote:
Will be back with the full text of the indecent liberties statute in a mo, in the meantime what follows is a draft of an e-mail to the NC State Bar person in charge of Unauthorized Practice of Law please let me know your thoughts on changes, corrections, etc., etc., etc.

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I am not sure if you are aware of the above referenced attorney who is well known as "Queen of the Birthers" and who is constantly filing lawsuits against President Obama in her quest to have him removed from office for various reasons. In any event she is currently soliciting clients in North Carolina (where she is not licensed to practice) asking her "prospective" clients to write to the NC Elections Board to allow her to represent them there.

This of course would be funny (and generally myself and many others who follow her antics do it for the pure entertainment value). However Orly frequently crosses the line when she is told "no" by someone and it then becomes a vendetta against that person. Don Wright, General Counsel for the NC State Board of Elections recently responded to a request from one Danny Vestal (a convicted rapist no less) that not only could an out of state attorney represent him but that there was no case to pursue.


I like it! =D> =D>

Is it possible that if he does try and head her off at the pass, that the heading off could include notifying to the CA bar to control their beast? -xx

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Looks like our State Board of Elections is holding a Public Meeting on Dec. 22. ;;)


It looks like an update to a meeting that had already been previously scheduled BEFORE the birfer poo.

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You might want to add the URL to Orlys website / page, as others may not be quite as familiar with her as this community.

I am hesitant to refer people to Orly's website due to the security issues. We want people to listen to those who warn others about Orly, not blame them for frying the office computer. Orly's pleadings that are available at Jack Ryan's for instance are a safer measure establishing her character, legal ability, and efforts.

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This of course would be funny (and generally myself and many others who follow her antics do it for the pure entertainment value). However Orly frequently crosses the line when she is told "no" by someone and it then becomes a vendetta against that person. Don Wright, General Counsel for the NC State Board of Elections recently responded to a request from one Danny Vestal (a convicted rapist no less) that not only could an out of state attorney not represent him but that there was no case to pursue.

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Oh, another thing that may be helpful would be to add a link to her elections challenge filings at Jack Ryan’s Scribd. Let him see for himself what an incompetent twit of a lawyer she is.

Edit: Edit: Oops beaten to the punch

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Britty, I think you should refer to Taitz as either Dr. Taitz, Ms. Taitz, or Orly Taitz. I think just "Orly" is too casual for this letter. Similarly, I would remove references to our little circle of Orly mockers. I think you want this to come across as a serious letter from a NC citizen on a serious matter. IMO, informing him that you are part of a group of Internet mockers cuts against that.

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Thank you all for your input! :hug:

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"For the record:"

Vestal v. Clinton, 106 F.3d 553 (4th Cir. 1997) (“breaking ‘Laws of God’” claim found frivolous; enjoined from further civil suits in the 4th Circuit).

Vestal v. Clinton, No. 96-6089, 1996 WL 267289 (4th Cir. May 21, 1996) (unknown; affirmed M.D.N.C. 95-752).

Vestal v. Freeman, No. 95-7672, 1995 WL 739393 (4th Cir. Dec. 14, 1995) (rejecting claim of lack of access to certain educational programs).

Vestal v. Hunt, No. 95-7402, 1995 WL 734447 (4th Cir. Dec. 12, 1995) (rejecting Privileges and Immunities Clause claim to amenities enjoyed by federal and other states’ prisoners).

Vestal v. Brown, No. 95-7401, 1995 WL 734450 (4th Cir. Dec. 12, 1995) & Vestal v. Freeman, No. 95-7673, 1995 WL 739397 (4th Cir. Dec. 14, 1995) (denial of higher custody status due to a refusal to participate in psychological counsel did not violate First Amendment).

Vestal v. Murphy, No. 95-7161, 1995 WL 607816 (4th Cir. Oct. 17, 1995) (understaffing at prison did not violate right to “better security”).

Vestal v. Freeman, No. 95-6938, 1995 WL 551277 (4th Cir. Sept, 12, 1995) (denied request to visit terminally ill grandmother not cruel and unusual punishment).

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Britty, I think you should refer to Taitz as either Dr. Taitz, Ms. Taitz, or Orly Taitz. I think just "Orly" is too casual for this letter. Similarly, I would remove references to our little circle of Orly mockers. I think you want this to come across as a serious letter from a NC citizen on a serious matter. IMO, informing him that you are part of a group of Internet mockers cuts against that.


I agree and would suggest "Dr. Orly Taitz"--she might be incompetent, but her title is legitimate (you could refer to her as Orly Taitz, DDS if you wanted to emphasize that her doctorate was in dentistry). I would also remove "Queen of the Birthers"--I think that would appear to be name calling to someone who wasn't familiar with Orly already (and how she glories in the title).

Given that Orly is Orly and is directing some of her batshittery at North Carolina, I think your goal should be to motivate the person to whom you're sending it to examine Orly's behavior more carefully (both in relation to NC and her past insanities) themselves--it doesn't take too much poking around to see just how professional Orly is. The more respectful, polite, and professional you appear, the more serious your complaint seems and the more contrast will be drawn with Orly's behavior.

Hope that helps.

Good for you for writing this! :-bd

p.s. I agree with others about linking to Orly's house of malware--people unfamiliar with her are unlikely to take any warnings seriously enough and you don't want to be the cause of the person you are trying to convince getting a virus...

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bob wrote:
"For the record:"

Vestal v. Clinton, 106 F.3d 553 (4th Cir. 1997) (“breaking ‘Laws of God’” claim found frivolous; enjoined from further civil suits in the 4th Circuit).


Gee, that could be a fly in the ointment at some point...

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I'd be honored to co-sign your letter when you finish it, Britty. :hug:

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Litlebritdifrnt2 wrote:
Fan chew very much :) I knew it didn't look right.


That's because you learned to spell the British way first. :D :D :D

Great letter. Thank you for taking the time to write. Every little bit helps. =D> =D>

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It's about time to push this story to the NC press?

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***Upcoming Orly Post**** (3..2..1..)

“Dirty Obots, are trying to sabotage me, and defame me, and my character, by undermining my quest, to save this country, from the biggest fraud, ever committed, bigger even, than Watergate, by keeping that no good, usurping mooslem, with a forged BC, stolen SS#, 123-45-6789, which was, never assigned to him, and, whose real name, we don’t even know, off the ballot in NC, with LIES, LIES, LIES!” :lol:
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raicha wrote:
I'm thinking of changing the name of this thread to "Convicted Rapist Threatens NC Elections Board".

:-k


Inflammatory and serving little purpose. So far his follies fail because of unfamiliarity with the statutes. Are we not better than the National Enquirer ?

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p.s. I agree with others about linking to Orly's house of malware--people unfamiliar with her are unlikely to take any warnings seriously enough and you don't want to be the cause of the person you are trying to convince getting a virus...


Not to mention that he would never be able to figure out how to navigate the fucking thing. I don’t think I’ve ever been there and gotten the flow twice. Click on one post and you are suddenly a week behind and the post you just looked at is no longer there. :roll:

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Britty, one more for grammar and a suggestion.

First, don't use "myself" but "I." It may look funny, but "I" is correct, "myself" not so much.
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(and generally myself and many others who follow her antics do it for the pure entertainment value)


Second, why not send him the California Rule of Professional Conduct which says what Taitz is doing is unethical under California law.

I'd like North Carolina to take action. But I also believe that when enough courts and public officials complain to California about the incompetent idiot the California Bar will have to take action.

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Britty, one more for grammar and a suggestion.

First, don't use "myself" but "I." It may look funny, but "I" is correct, "myself" not so much.
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(and generally myself and many others who follow her antics do it for the pure entertainment value)


Second, why not send him the California Rule of Professional Conduct which says what Taitz is doing is unethical under California law.

I'd like North Carolina to take action. But I also believe that when enough courts and public officials complain to California about the incompetent idiot the California Bar will have to take action.


I think the citation should be to the Model Rules, and specifically, to those adopted by North Carolina (and every State in the Union other than California), since it is those rules which apply to Orly's "practice" in North Carolina. I seriously doubt North Carolina cares much about California's idiosyncratic conduct rules (after all California itself does not seem to care about its own rules). They have their own, which Orly is violating.

Edit: IMO, these would be RPC 7.2 and 7.3 and the good old-fashioned catch-all 8.4.

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raicha wrote:
I'm thinking of changing the name of this thread to "Convicted Rapist Threatens NC Elections Board".

:-k


Inflammatory and serving little purpose. So far his follies fail because of unfamiliarity with the statutes. Are we not better than the National Enquirer ?

YMMV


Yes, my mileage varies.

The original title of this thread would be incorrect in light of what we know today. There is no NC election challenge. There are numerous emails to the election board from a convicted violent felon who has been deemed a vexatious litigant in North Carolina.

This man does not seek privacy for his past. To the contrary, he craves the attention that emailing 100 bogus "complaints" has brought to him.

He is now assisted by Orly Taitz, who has repeatedly supported convicted felons and their frivolous claims on her website and before the courts: Lucas, CEL3, Manning, etc. She should be known by the company she keeps.

Not only is she assisting Vestal, she is threatening members of a state agency with criminal prosecution, in violation of the ethical rules of two states and very likely in violation of penal statutes of at least one.

The new title is accurate. The underlying "story" supports it completely. Dr. Taitz associates with criminals, neo-Nazis and convicted sex offenders so long as they support her lunatic quest to unseat the President. That should not be a secret.

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