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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:52 pm 
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=D> :-bd \:D/ =D>

I hope Van Irion reads it slowly.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:18 pm 
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06/18/2012 30 enMOTION for Leave to File Reply in Support of Motion for Sanctions and Motion for Leave to Exceed Page Limitation by Chip Forrester, Tennessee Democratic Party. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit A - Defendants' Reply in Support of Motion for Sanctions)(Stranch, J.) (Entered: 06/18/2012)


Is there a linky to attachment. I got bad medicalnews and need cheering up.


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Docket Update...

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06/18/2012 30 enMOTION for Leave to File Reply in Support of Motion for Sanctions and Motion for Leave to Exceed Page Limitation by Chip Forrester, Tennessee Democratic Party. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit A - Defendants' Reply in Support of Motion for Sanctions)(Stranch, J.) (Entered: 06/18/2012)


Is there a linky to attachment. I got bad medicalnews and need cheering up.

The motion for leave and the reply are both included in the single SCRIBD document (i.e., Defendants' Reply, which is shown as an exhibit in the docket entry, begins on page 3).

If you're having trouble paging down, join the club. Once again, I found myself cursing SCRIBD this morning. It is soooo tiresome to have to deal with SCRIBD's trick of the day.

Very sorry to hear of your bad medical news, woodworker. Best wishes to you!

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Edit: Piffle beat me to it.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:38 pm 
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I just love the general tone of "can you believe these guys?"


While I agree with the substantive content, I think a second pass over the filing should have removed things like underlining, bolding, and other unnecessary emphasis. The conduct of plaintiffs speaks for itself. There is no reason to yell at the court.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:52 pm 
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If you're having trouble paging down, join the club. Once again, I found myself cursing SCRIBD this morning. It is soooo tiresome to have to deal with SCRIBD's trick of the day.

Very sorry to hear of your bad medical news, woodworker. Best wishes to you!


There's an icon to "switch to scrolling view". It looks like a blank piece of paper, and It's right under the page counter on the right side of the screen, next to up and down arrows. Hold your mousie over that paper icon and you'll see.

I found it by accident. :P

Sending good wishes your way as well, woodworker. :hug:

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A Legal Lohengrin wrote:
While I agree with the substantive content, I think a second pass over the filing should have removed things like underlining, bolding, and other unnecessary emphasis. The conduct of plaintiffs speaks for itself. There is no reason to yell at the court.


I didn't want to be the only spoilsport, but since you opened the door, I agree.

I found the tone somewhat over the top, and I don't think the level of professionalism displayed came close to what we've come to expect based on the work of, for example, B&T.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:07 pm 
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I found the tone somewhat over the top, and I don't think the level of professionalism displayed came close to what we've come to expect based on the work of, for example, B&T.

Concur. For someone complaining about Irion's ad hominem attacks, there sure were a lot of ad hominem attacks aimed at Irion.

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I found the tone somewhat over the top, and I don't think the level of professionalism displayed came close to what we've come to expect based on the work of, for example, B&T.

Concur. For someone complaining about Irion's ad hominem attacks, there sure were a lot of ad hominem attacks aimed at Irion.


I hope the court has some kind of a sense of humor. Although they must have one, since this case has gotten this far.

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There's an icon to "switch to scrolling view". It looks like a blank piece of paper, and It's right under the page counter on the right side of the screen, next to up and down arrows. Hold your mousie over that paper icon and you'll see.

I found it by accident. :P

Yeah, I finally found it too -- but only after trundling through half of the doc a page at a time by manually bumping the page number. And then when I tried to change to scroll view it said I couldn't do that without logging on. Bleah.

Every time they "improve" SCRIBD it drives me up the wall because it never actually improves anything AFAIK. Somebody ought to give SCRIBD's tech nerd some movie money to occupy his/her mind.

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Can't think of enough bad things to say about scribd's interface. I usually just click spasmodically until I can find a download link, and then read the document in acrobat.

woodworker, very sorry to hear of bad medical news.


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Piffle wrote:

If you're having trouble paging down, join the club. Once again, I found myself cursing SCRIBD this morning. It is soooo tiresome to have to deal with SCRIBD's trick of the day.

Very sorry to hear of your bad medical news, woodworker. Best wishes to you!

The new Sribd style would want you to use the arrows at the left and right for paging fore and back.

Now most helpful they have added a new button to their tool bar top right that lets you switch over to the scroll up and down mode. The button flipflops between the two modes. Last setting seems to get remembered.


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DOCKET UPDATE!! :-bd It's not Friday, but...

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TN - LLF - 2012-06-21 - MEMORANDUM & ORDER DISMISSING CASE


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Defendants’ Motion to Dismiss pursuant to Rule
12(b)(1) is GRANTED.
IT IS SO ORDERED


Case is still open on Docket, so "perhaps" sanctions are still possible. \:D/ One reason, in Sibley, on the day the order was entered the docket entry said "case terminated". Does not say so here.

Having not read the entire memo/order carefully, the reason I state that is it doesn’t bode well for Plaintiffs on sanctions, IMO, based on what I have read – court takes Plaintiff to task for trying to file sur-reply (and more). :-bd

Just a coupla notes...

FN 1 – Ct notes that LLF did not respond to sham issue. (I thought they had, but would have to check)

Page 9-10 – Court indicates it believes Plaintiffs’ actions were improper in several respects (including, on 10, creating evidence to cure standing problem)

Page 12: “The Court finds that Plaintiffs’ theory actually misstates the law.” (ouch)

FN34 – another zinger

FN45 – another zinger





As the rooster sez... more will be revealed, I reckon.

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I love it when another birther case is used to help scuttle these things (Drake).

Edit: Judicial notice goes to AZ in 5, 4, 3, ....


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Yes, Judge Anderson caught on that Dumay filed to be write in candidate after the case had been filed and that was used as "evidence". I saying the odds of sanctions are at least 50-50 after reading the opinion.

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From the viewpoint of a non-lawyer, this memorandum & order is a damned good primer on standing in the Federal courts! :-bd


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Mr. Gneiss wrote:
From the viewpoint of a non-lawyer, this memorandum & order is a damned good primer on standing in the Federal courts! :-bd


I agree (also as a non-lawyer). It clearly took the Judge considerable time and effort to craft such a thorough and well-written response, and it stands as an unfortunate testament to the magnitude of the resources that this birther crap is consuming on a regular basis.

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Looks like it took some time and effort to craft. It is interesting that the birfers are making a body of case law that can only be used against them. ](*,) :- :-

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:-bd A thorough and well-reasoned opinion, IMO. Hizzoner took the single threshold issue of standing and :horse: with a vengeance.

With over 100 birther "standing" losses already over the dam, it's hard to consider this case as non-frivolous from the get-go. Despite Venn Idiot's public self-promotions to the contrary, this incompetently crafted case was predictably destined for the shit-can.

I'm glad the judge so clearly characterized Venn's absurd assertion to the effect that if one plaintiff has standing they all have standing as a misstatement of the law. It really irked me that he's been spreading that particular myth of birfer law all over the Intertubes.

I only hope the judge will still consider imposing sanctions. A doubleheader (TN & AZ) would be great. But, sigh, I have my doubts that it's going to happen.

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On his facebook page, Dummett has stopped claiming to be the architect of the strategy of suing the DNC over birfer nonsense. He now says that the strategy he came up with is to sue state ballot commissions and secretaries of state. I wonder if he got freaked out by the motions for sanctions and is now trying to distance himself from this failed strategy.

Oh, and, on Saturday, he wrote this:

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I have it on good authority that the Tennessee case is going to be favorable into finally exposing Obama for the fraud he is.


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It's back to the drawing board for Presidential candidate Dummett who claimed to have the best legal strategy to removing the Usurper. It was clear that Van Irion was filling his head with fluff and nonsense from the beginning and Dummett was a willing gullible dupe.

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AnitaMaria quoting someone else wrote:
I have it on good authority that the Tennessee case is going to be favorable into finally exposing Obama for the fraud he is.


Apparently their "good authority" is NOT The Fogbow's "Good Authority". I would say Dummet has been listening to "Bad Authority" instead.

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Gee... no "update" from Van Aryan on his super-duper case that was going to oust the usurper.

In fact, his last update was 5/31. 8>

Nothing on the dismissal at any of the usual suspect sites... OBC, ORYR, etc. :-

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Apparently their "good authority" is NOT The Fogbow's "Good Authority".

Poor Dumass overlooked one of the fundamental Birther memes, Sue. Capitalized words are special!


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Three and a half years later and courts are still explaining standing to these idiots.

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