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ducktape · **Posted:** Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:59 pm

Foggy wrote:

'Course, after the autumnal equinox, the days will start getting longer again, and we'll have 24 hr., 2 minute days ... :-?

Uh, that's the Winter Solstice, Foggy ... it's a ways away.

vic · **Posted:** Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:35 pm

Foggy wrote:

vic wrote:

A Jewish day starts at sunset, so any given Jewish date spans parts of two Gregorian dates.

The amazing things I learn here.

'Course, that's gotta be hard on the clocks.

For example, sunset tomorrow (Aug. 8 on the goy calendar) begins here in Rawlee at 8:12 p.m., but sunset the next day starts at 8:10. That's a 23 hour, 58 minute day.

'Course, after the autumnal equinox, the days will start getting longer again, and we'll have 24 hr., 2 minute days ... :-?

And I don't even want to think about the dates and the clocks in Alaska! :lol:

Offtopic :

I feel safer with offtopic material when I'm quoting Foggy...

The Helsingin Sanomat has an interesting story Summertime Ramadan about the issues that Muslims have in observing Ramadan in northern latitudes. Right now, a sunrise-to-sunset fast in Helsinki is 19 hours, and in a couple of years (due to the the Islamic calendar being strictly lunar) Ramadan will be at the solstice and the fast period would be even longer - 24 hours at the Arctic Circle.

(FYI, the reason I read the Helsingin Sanomat on the web is that for about 10 years I did software development/consulting for the the paper and spent an average of 6 months/year in Helsinki)

Somerset · **Posted:** Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:44 pm

Offtopic :

ZorbasLeGreque wrote:

Foggy wrote:

vic wrote:

A Jewish day starts at sunset, so any given Jewish date spans parts of two Gregorian dates.

The amazing things I learn here.

'Course, that's gotta be hard on the clocks.

For example, sunset tomorrow (Aug. 8 on the goy calendar) begins here in Rawlee at 8:12 p.m., but sunset the next day starts at 8:10. That's a 23 hour, 58 minute day.

'Course, after the autumnal equinox, the days will start getting longer again, and we'll have 24 hr., 2 minute days ... :-?

And I don't even want to think about the dates and the clocks in Alaska! :lol:

On Soviet / Russian submarines the clock is set to Moscow time, wherever they may be and even when they are not "sub" (and the day follows the clock. Breakfast at 20:00 hours local time).

Muslims have the same problems with the calendar / day as Jews (shows again how close these antagonized brothers are):

The night begins when you can no longer distinguish between a white and a black yarn. Very important now, because during Ramadan you have to feast all day long.

But of course Jews and Muslims have found reasonable solutions for these problems....

My Muslim friends would disagree with that term right now

DaveMuckey · **Posted:** Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:23 pm

Offtopic :

Thanks for that, Paul. I have long wondered why September, October, November and December were not the 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th months of the year, as their names might imply.

Sterngard Friegen · **Posted:** Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:51 pm

August isn't very august, either.

kimba · **Joined:** Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:24 pm **Posts:** 6626

Foggy wrote:

'Course, after the autumnal equinoxwinter solstice, the days will start getting longer again, and we'll have 24 hr., 2 minute days ... :-?

FIFY.

esseff44 · **Posted:** Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:02 pm

DaveMuckey wrote:

Offtopic :

Thanks for that, Paul. I have long wondered why September, October, November and December were not the 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th months of the year, as their names might imply.

They were in the times before Julius Caesar and Augustus Caesar. Julius named a month for himself with the maximum number of days and stuck it in the middle of the calendar. Augustus came along and did the same thing. That's why we have two consecutive months with 31 days and the others named for numbers and not gods were pushed to the end of the calendar.

lyssandri · **Posted:** Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:23 pm

Epectitus wrote:

Piffle wrote:

Quote:

Submitted on this the 17th Day of Av, in the year of our Lord 2012 (a.k.a. August 6, 2012).

Kinda puts the fear of doG into ya, doesn't it?

How did he miss 18 Ramadan 1433 AH?

Or the most important calendaring system in existance: Stardate 90202.61 (which is Aug 6, 2012 at 9am - I guessed on the hour because I didn't have anything more accurate to work with

)

lyssandri · **Posted:** Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:49 pm

ducktape wrote:

Foggy wrote:

'Course, after the autumnal equinox, the days will start getting longer again, and we'll have 24 hr., 2 minute days ... :-?

Uh, that's the Winter Solstice, Foggy ... it's a ways away.

I think you guys are talking about two different concepts. At the Autumn Equinox, the amount of daylight and dark will be equal in that day, and then following that, the amount of darkness during any given day will increase compared to the amount of daylight during the day.

What it sounds like Foggy is talking about is that when you measure days on a sunset-to-sunset basis, the number of minutes from one day to the next can vary. The only problem I see with it is that if the change is, as his comment indicates, as much as a minute or more from one day to the next, I'd think we'd have to make some kinds of accommodation in our own reckoning of time. If the shift is in seconds or less, rather than minutes, then that might make more sense.

Somerset · **Posted:** Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:19 am

lyssandri wrote:

If the shift is in seconds or less, rather than minutes, then that might make more sense.

It depends on your latitude. The shifts here are always in seconds, regardless of whether we're at the solstices or the equinoxes.

realist · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:33 pm **Posts:** 23526

!	realist wrote:
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Perhaps the very interesting discussion of dates/times, etc. could be taken to a separate thread.

Thank you.

Piffle · **Posted:** Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:34 am

Yeah, who knew the Fogbow was going to turn into a dating site?

Whatever4 · **Posted:** Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:28 pm

Piffle wrote:

Yeah, who knew the Fogbow was going to turn into a dating site?

That hurt.

kate520 · **Posted:** Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:20 pm

some of us did.

SueDB · **Posted:** Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:37 pm

Any time you get folks together for a good time...sparks are bound to happen.

Falsehoods unchallenged only fester and grow.

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