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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:05 pm 
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I think that every member of Fogbow should fill out paperwork to become candidates for President. Then we should file a class action suit against the Republican Party for dumming down their party and candidates so that the party and the candidates are acceptable to the lowest common denominator members of the lunatic fringe. If a member of this lunatic fringe tried to marry into the average Republican's family, they'd be quickly kicked to the curb as undesirable. They are no less undesirable when it comes to picking our leaders or setting national policy.

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Assigned to: Judge Susan R Bolton

Bolton is a Clinton appointee, who blocked key portions of Arizona's SB 1070.

Why can't birthers ever draw a "good" judge, like a Reagan-appointee Texan who is former military and former law enforcement? :-k

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I do however, wish that this lawsuit would make it to the Supreme Court for one simple reason -- to address this comment in the lawsuit "Instead, this complaint is directed toward defining the term “natural- born citizen” under the Constitution of the United States, and toward negligence or intentional misrepresentations of the Democratic Party. This Complaint requests this Court to affirm the Supreme Court’sdefinition of “natural- born citizen” as “all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens.” See Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162(1875)."

I believe these folks would not like the answer they would get.


Babs, they are looking for Plaintiffs for their "suit"! :lol:

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Why can't birthers ever draw a "good" judge, like a Reagan-appointee Texan who is former military and former law enforcement? :-k


Beats me. But if they ever did have the luck of the draw they so richly deserve, it'd be lambertastic for their cause.

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Assigned to: Judge Susan R Bolton

Bolton is a Clinton appointee, who blocked key portions of Arizona's SB 1070.

Why can't birthers ever draw a "good" judge, like a Reagan-appointee Texan who is former military and former law enforcement? :-k


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Who are these other plaintiffs? Do they have "FEC standing" like Dummett?

Why Arizona? To take advantage of that delicious "9th Circuit dicta" they keep harping on?

Maroney on Teh Facebook.

An article on foreclosure investing by Volodarsky on ATLAH's site(!).


A Voldarsky webpage but not much of one.

Voldarsky Facebook a birthapalooza.

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, United With Israel, Scottish Professor Speaks Against Boycott of Israel

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, Birther Summit, StandWithUs, TruliaPro, Congressman Allen West, Tell President Obama to stop making our kids pay Heritage Action for America

, Terry Lakin Action Fund, AFSI/Americans For A Safe Israel, ACT! for America, ATLAHWorldwide, Americans for Prosperity New York Chapter, Americans for Prosperity, Plumber in New York

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I also have it on pretty good authority that he was at the big Lakin homecoming, but I no longer know where a pic was that I'm relatively certain showed him, and also that he's actually a member of Manning's "church." Sooooooo perfect birther plaintiff material... three complete whackjobs and at least one attorney that, despite his apparent excellent education, is one also. Too.

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majorbabs wrote:

I do however, wish that this lawsuit would make it to the Supreme Court for one simple reason -- to address this comment in the lawsuit "Instead, this complaint is directed toward defining the term “natural- born citizen” under the Constitution of the United States, and toward negligence or intentional misrepresentations of the Democratic Party. This Complaint requests this Court to affirm the Supreme Court’sdefinition of “natural- born citizen” as “all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens.” See Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162(1875)."

I believe these folks would not like the answer they would get.


Babs, they are looking for Plaintiffs for their "suit"! :lol:


So true. And they need the "suit" so they can scam money from the birthers. There is an upside. The more money birthers donate to "the cause", the less they have to spend on alcohol and sex toys.

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Posted on October 2, 2011
Leonard Volodarsky wrote:
Please take a read of the email below from Mr. Irion.
We have another Patriot with us and he is willing to do his best.

Will he succeed?
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I know you have been a supporter of Liberty Legal Foundation since before it was founded. You joined our Obamacare Class Action lawsuit only days after it was filed. We greatly appreciate your support.

I was copied on your message, below, to Ms. Bachman about Obama’s ineligibility to hold office as President. I wanted you to be aware that Liberty Legal Foundation is working on this issue. As you are aware everyone else that has tried to raise this issue in the courts has failed. We are studying their failures and all other aspects of the issue so that when we pull the trigger on our lawsuit we will succeed. We are currently identifying the correct defendants, the correct plaintiffs to bring the suit, the best court in which to file, and the best legal arguments to make.

I hope you will consider supporting our efforts in this new battle, both financially and by telling your friends and family about Liberty Legal Foundation. Again, thank you for your support.

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Obamacare reached the Supreme court and there is nothing for you to do there.

You should be joining me in suing Obama for fraudulent use of a Connecticut Social security number [XXX-XX-XXXX], which was never assigned to him and use of a computer generated forgery instead of a valid birth certificate.

I have a lot of supporters and I am advising them not to donate a cent to you and your organization until you stop engaging in BS and empty talk and stand up and demand from your Congressmen and your Sheriffs criminal prosecution of Obama for Social Security fraud and elections fraud.

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Maybe it is how you read it. It could be a question:

Strategically challenging flawed legal precedent to restore our Constitution ?

:-k

Can Strategically challenging flawed legal precedents, like Minor v. Happersett, do that ?

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Creg Maroney is a typical member of the class of "[a]ll persons in the United States of America who object to having a candidate that is clearly not qualified to hold the office of President appear on ballots for the office of President in the general election (the ‘Class’)."

You just know they would like the electoral process to work like this:

  1. Major parties put forward their candidates
  2. Self-designated "We The People" patriots designate which of those candidates are "clearly not qualified."
  3. Candidates so designated do not appear on the ballot, saving the rest of America the trouble of figuring out for themselves which they think are qualified, or best qualified, etc., and voting accordingly.
After several election cycles of the Democrats putting forward only unqualified candidates, the now near 100% majorities of Tea Partiers in elected office decertify the Democratic Party for incompetence (at best) or criminality (at worst).

Somewhere in there a bunch of Amendments (you know the ones) are repealed.

It's a Dixie dream come true! And all made possible by our first nigAfrican American President!

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I have a lot of supporters and I am advising them not to donate a cent to you and your organization until you stop engaging in BS and empty talk and stand up and demand from your Congressmen and your Sheriffs criminal prosecution of Obama for Social Security fraud and elections fraud.


But of course that's what she'll advise them. If any of her idiot supporter donate to LLF's failures that's one less red cent Orly can scam out of them to donate to more of her failures, including her ridiculous run for the U.S. Senate.

easy peasy

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I have a lot of supporters and I am advising them not to donate a cent to you and your organization until you stop engaging in BS and empty talk and stand up and demand from your Congressmen and your Sheriffs criminal prosecution of Obama for Social Security fraud and elections fraud.


But of course that's what she'll advise them. If any of her idiot supporter donate to LLF's failures that's one less red cent Orly can scam out of them to donate to more of her failures, including her ridiculous run for the U.S. Senate.

easy peasy


The bucks must be getting tight in Birfistan. I think the Birfers have gone to the well one too many times.

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... the class of "[a]ll persons in the United States of America who object to having a candidate that is clearly not qualified to hold the office of President appear on ballots for the office of President in the general election ...

I'm a member of that class. I would object to any clearly unqualified president, you betcha.

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10/27/2011 Notice of request for e-notices by Donald Peder Johnsen. (Johnsen, Donald) (Entered: 10/27/2011)


Mr. Johnsen appears to be an employment and labor lawyer in PHX, AZ, with Gallagher & Kennedy,.

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2575 E. Camelback Road
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Donald Peder Johnsen practices exclusively in the area of employment and labor law.

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Prior to joining Gallagher & Kennedy, Mr. Johnsen served as a judicial clerk for the Honorable Clement F. Haynsworth, Jr., U.S. Court of Appeals, Fourth Circuit.

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Arizona, 1987
U.S. Court of Appeals, Fourth Circuit, 1987
Minnesota, 1988
U.S. Court of Appeals, Eighth Circuit, 1988
U.S. District Court, District of Minnesota, 1989
U.S. District Court, District of Arizona, 1993
U.S. Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit, 1996
U.S. Supreme Court, 2006
U.S. Court of Appeals, Sixth Circuit , 2009

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Impeachment with an Unsworn Prior Inconsistent Statement as Subterfuge, 28 William and Mary Law Review 295, 1987



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2575 East Camelback Road
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Tel: (602)530-8000
Fax: (602)530-8500
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While there's no mention AFAIK in the papers nor an entry of appearance on the docket... it would at least appear he is local counsel for Van Irion.

Why/how does an apparent prominent employoment/labor lawyer get hooked up with a nut like Van Irion. 8>

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10/27/2011 Notice of request for e-notices by Donald Peder Johnsen. (Johnsen, Donald) (Entered: 10/27/2011)


Mr. Johnsen appears to be an employment and labor lawyer in PHX, AZ, with Gallagher & Kennedy,.
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Prior to joining Gallagher & Kennedy, Mr. Johnsen served as a judicial clerk for the Honorable Clement F. Haynsworth, Jr., U.S. Court of Appeals, Fourth Circuit.


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There are limits of course to the notion that the Court should reflect America, exemplified by the singularly idiotic comment by Nebraska Republican Senator Roman Hruska who, in the course of defending President Nixon's nominee to the high court Clement Haynsworth, responded to accusations that Haynsworth was mediocre by saying "even if he is mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren't they, and a little chance?"

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There are limits of course to the notion that the Court should reflect America, exemplified by the singularly idiotic comment by Nebraska Republican Senator Roman Hruska who, in the course of defending President Nixon's nominee to the high court Clement Haynsworth, responded to accusations that Haynsworth was mediocre by saying "even if he is mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren't they, and a little chance?"

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/04/ ... z1c5ofXvUR


Granted, that's what the Fox article says, but I believe they are mistaken and that the idiotic Hruska remark was made in reference to G. Harrold Carswell.

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I think you are right, Skeppy, but I couldn't resist. Haynsworth was also mediocre and was Nixon's first choice, Carswell the second.

As I recall, Carswell's career took a downturn after that. After he resigned from the bench, and lost a run for the senate, he has a bathroom encounter almost identical to Larry Craig's.

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I think you are right, Skeppy, but I couldn't resist. Haynsworth was also mediocre and was Nixon's first choice, Carswell the second.

As I recall, Carswell's career took a downturn after that. After he resigned from the bench, and lost a run for the senate, he has a bathroom encounter almost identical to Larry Craig's.


Then Nixon nominated Harry Blackmun, who went on to author a number of important opinions including Roe v. Wade. Maybe Senate obstructionism isn't that bad a thing after all.

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I think you are right, Skeppy, but I couldn't resist. Haynsworth was also mediocre and was Nixon's first choice, Carswell the second.

As I recall, Carswell's career took a downturn after that. After he resigned from the bench, and lost a run for the senate, he has a bathroom encounter almost identical to Larry Craig's.


I'm also always a little disappointed when someone quotes Hruska without including my very favoritest part:

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"We picked the Arizona court for several reasons, but the main one being that it is part of the 9th Circuit. The 9th Circuit has indicated in dicta that an FEC-registered presidential candidate would have standing for this type of suit," he said. :^o The organization is working with John Dummett, a Liberty Legal Foundation member who is a candidate for the office of president in the 2012 election.


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And John Dummett has some quality folks working on his campaign. Making it a sure winner.

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Thomas, I have followed your posts on FB, and shared a lot of them. Feel like I know you. I am on John's Dummett's campaign. You should join http://www.johndummett.us/volunteer.html I can't tell you how great it feels to actually be DOING something about Obama, instead of just talking about it. It is GREAT to be a part of history, bringing this bunch of evil crooks down!!
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And the "girl reporter" is on the job...

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Florence Stone : If you are on Dummit's campaign, then why don't you tell him to read Wong Kim Ark, SCOTUS decision from 1898. This will save him a lot of time and embarrassment from having a court tell him the same thing.

Or, he could read Ankeny v. Governor, "The Case The "Two Citizen Parent" Birthers Just HATE!!!"

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Dream on. Van Irion's two lawsuits are not ripe and his plaintiffs don't have standing. (Even Orly Taitz recognizes that!) =)) Beyond that, the legal theories are ridiculous, bordering on frivolity. To cite Minor but not Wong Kim Ark demonstrates the lack of seriousness. An Indiana state court decided these issues in Ankeny in 2009. While not binding precedent, that case will be persuasive.

I suspect the defendants will remove the Tennessee case to federal court and transfer it to Arizona, and have both cases dismissed. The district court judge in Arizona has lots of experience dealing with litigants with insane ideas.

For all of you lovers of Emmereich de Vattel, don't stop reading The Law of Nations after section 212 of his treatise; take a look at section 214, too. And then read the language in Minor in which the Court talks about using English common law. Jus soli was the determinant of citizenship in 1787. (And the phrase "natural born citizen" wasn't even used by de Vattel as he wrote in French. The word "indigines" was as close as he got. Where's that word in the Constitution?)

These cases are so dead. If this is all you've got, you've got nothing.


And it appears the plaintiffs are on the job...

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WHEREFORE, plaintiffs respectfully request that this Court,

1) declare that a “natural-born citizen” is “all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens.”

2) declare that with knowledge that Mr. Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen, any representation by the Defendants that Mr. Obama is qualified to hold the office of President of the United States would constitute negligence or fraud; and Case 2:11-cv-02089-SRB Document 1 Filed 10/25/11 Page 15 of 16
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3) issue an order granting temporary and permanent injunctive relief, including directives prohibiting the Defendants from issuing any letters, certificates, or other document to any Secretary of State of any state, any agent thereof, or any other official of any state, indicating that Mr. Obama is qualified to hold the office of President or that the Democratic Party has selected Mr. Obama as its Presidential candidate, or requesting that any state place the name of Mr. Obama on any ballot for the office of President of the United States for the 2012 general election; and

4) retain jurisdiction of this action to ensure compliance with this Court’s decrees;...

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"We picked the Arizona court for several reasons, but the main one being that it is part of the 9th Circuit. The 9th Circuit has indicated in dicta that an FEC-registered presidential candidate would have standing for this type of suit," he said. :^o The organization is working with John Dummett, a Liberty Legal Foundation member who is a candidate for the office of president in the 2012 election.


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And John Dummett has some quality folks working on his campaign. Making it a sure winner.

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Thomas, I have followed your posts on FB, and shared a lot of them. Feel like I know you. I am on John's Dummett's campaign. You should join http://www.johndummett.us/volunteer.html I can't tell you how great it feels to actually be DOING something about Obama, instead of just talking about it. It is GREAT to be a part of history, bringing this bunch of evil crooks down!!
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And the "girl reporter" is on the job...

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Florence Stone : If you are on Dummit's campaign, then why don't you tell him to read Wong Kim Ark, SCOTUS decision from 1898. This will save him a lot of time and embarrassment from having a court tell him the same thing.

Or, he could read Ankeny v. Governor, "The Case The "Two Citizen Parent" Birthers Just HATE!!!"

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Brendon Guiznot · Top Commenter · Owner at Grendel & Son
Dream on. Van Irion's two lawsuits are not ripe and his plaintiffs don't have standing. (Even Orly Taitz recognizes that!) =)) Beyond that, the legal theories are ridiculous, bordering on frivolity. To cite Minor but not Wong Kim Ark demonstrates the lack of seriousness. An Indiana state court decided these issues in Ankeny in 2009. While not binding precedent, that case will be persuasive.

I suspect the defendants will remove the Tennessee case to federal court and transfer it to Arizona, and have both cases dismissed. The district court judge in Arizona has lots of experience dealing with litigants with insane ideas.

For all of you lovers of Emmereich de Vattel, don't stop reading The Law of Nations after section 212 of his treatise; take a look at section 214, too. And then read the language in Minor in which the Court talks about using English common law. Jus soli was the determinant of citizenship in 1787. (And the phrase "natural born citizen" wasn't even used by de Vattel as he wrote in French. The word "indigines" was as close as he got. Where's that word in the Constitution?)

These cases are so dead. If this is all you've got, you've got nothing.




And while they're at it, perhaps the plaintiffs could show us exactly where we can read the 9th Circuit "dicta" giving these loons standing?

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