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Post by Lani » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:52 am

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Authorities expanded mandatory evacuation orders tonight for east Ojai after flames from the Thomas fire rolled down slopes about four miles north of downtown.

Residents in areas of Carpinteria were also told to evacuate via emergency cellphone alerts.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html


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Post by Foggy » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:16 am

If you haven't experienced Santa Ana winds, they're hard to describe. Totally different from Santa Claus winds. Like a hurricane with no rain. Hot and DRY, like chapped lips in half an hour dry. So strong it's surreal. I have seen a telephone booth blown over. Those things are bolted into the concrete. We had a heavy circular glass table on our back porch. Ol' Wifehorn was out there vacuuming the lawn after the storm to get all the little pieces of broken glass. I was trying to salvage the plants that got the crap beat out of them.


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Post by Volkonski » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:44 am

That didn't last long.



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Post by phaseolus » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:09 am

kate520 wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:59 pm
Mr520’s cousins live up there between Ventura and Ojai. Three generations. One set of cousins lives just below the two green patches on the right side of V’s map, on highway 33 just where the eastern border of the burn area turns west. They live in the house his father built, having permanently moved back from Alaska 2 years ago. The rest of the cousins are farther up Hwy 33, in Ojai proper. So far everyone is ok, but that could change at any moment.

All we can do from here is hope and whatever. Do send us some of your rain, please, V.
A few employers ago I used to travel to that area for work -- a big chunk of that Pepsi warehouse next to the freeway is also a manufacturing facility where they make that Starbucks Frappuccino in the square glass bottles, and we had some industrial-sized pressure cookers in there that I had to attend to once in a while. Such a beautiful area, all the Eucalyptus trees and the other vegetation was so lovely and fascinating to my midwestern eyes.

Along that road it also looked like there was plenty of evidence of fairly recent mudslides. I gotta question: when fires like these remove vegetation, does that make mudslides more likely in following wet seasons? Or is there still plenty of stuff underground that keeps soil in place?
Foggy wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:16 am
If you haven't experienced Santa Ana winds, they're hard to describe. Totally different from Santa Claus winds. Like a hurricane with no rain. Hot and DRY, like chapped lips in half an hour dry. So strong it's surreal. I have seen a telephone booth blown over. Those things are bolted into the concrete. We had a heavy circular glass table on our back porch. Ol' Wifehorn was out there vacuuming the lawn after the storm to get all the little pieces of broken glass. I was trying to salvage the plants that got the crap beat out of them.
I've never experienced them, but I always liked this description
There was a desert wind blowing that night. It was one of those hot dry Santa Anas that come down through the mountain passes and curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your skin itch. On nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husbands' necks. Anything can happen. You can even get a full glass of beer at a cocktail lounge.

- Raymond Chandler, Red Wind, 1938



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Post by Azastan » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:19 am

phaseolus wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:09 am


A few employers ago I used to travel to that area for work -- a big chunk of that Pepsi warehouse next to the freeway is also a manufacturing facility where they make that Starbucks Frappuccino in the square glass bottles, and we had some industrial-sized pressure cookers in there that I had to attend to once in a while. Such a beautiful area, all the Eucalyptus trees and the other vegetation was so lovely and fascinating to my midwestern eyes.

Along that road it also looked like there was plenty of evidence of fairly recent mudslides. I gotta question: when fires like these remove vegetation, does that make mudslides more likely in following wet seasons? Or is there still plenty of stuff underground that keeps soil in place?
Eucalyptus trees are full of oil and are like flaming tiki torches when they get hit by fire. The seeds are adapted to germinate after fires.

Yes, mudslides are a huge problem after the fires. First the Santa Ana winds, then the rain comes. People love to live in those hills, such as Topanga Canyon. People insist on re-building houses though.



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Post by kate520 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:36 am

I went up for one night’s camping at El Capitan State Beach, the Saturday after turkey day. I drove the whole route of the current fire, up the 5 to Magic Mountian, West on 126 through Santa Paula and Piru to the 101 heading north. It’s a lovely drive, one we make many times a year, to go camping or visit family. Most of the Valencia oranges we see at TJs are from this area. The valley is fertile. I’m glad I saw it one last time this year before the devastation.

Haven’t heard from the cousins yet today. :?


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Post by phaseolus » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:46 am

I imagine it'll be gorgeous the next time wildflowers bloom, but that's only the smallest of consolations.

And, from John Sepulvado's twitter, a couple minutes ago:
large fire spotted in malibu -- no details at the moment

https://twitter.com/JohnLGC/status/938809556120956928



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Post by kate520 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:48 am

Well, shit.


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That address is in a residential neighborhood.


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Some reports indicate that fire fighters are getting this one under control. :)


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Post by Maybenaut » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:00 pm

Foggy wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:16 am
If you haven't experienced Santa Ana winds, they're hard to describe. Totally different from Santa Claus winds. Like a hurricane with no rain. Hot and DRY, like chapped lips in half an hour dry. So strong it's surreal. I have seen a telephone booth blown over. Those things are bolted into the concrete. We had a heavy circular glass table on our back porch. Ol' Wifehorn was out there vacuuming the lawn after the storm to get all the little pieces of broken glass. I was trying to salvage the plants that got the crap beat out of them.
We had the opposite when I lived in Alaska. Called a “williwaw,” winds cold as fuck, and very dangerous because they would suck the breath right out of you. We were issued cold weather parkas with outer edge of the hood forming a narrow tube, anding about 6” from the face (mine was trimmed with real rabbit fur). They were ugly, but helped with the breathing.



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Volkonski wrote:
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Isn't #Horizonfire the one they just put out?



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Sugar Magnolia wrote:
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Isn't #Horizonfire the one they just put out?
Yes. From the timing of the tweets I believe this refers to a 2nd fire in Malibu.


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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:10 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:07 pm
Sugar Magnolia wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:06 pm
Volkonski wrote:
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Isn't #Horizonfire the one they just put out?
Yes. From the timing of the tweets I believe this refers to a 2nd fire in Malibu.
That can be awfully confusing for people actually in the fire areas to use the same hashtag as a fire that's apparently already out.



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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:29 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:58 am


Some reports indicate that fire fighters are getting this one under control. :)
Ugh. I used to live in a small horse ranch at the end of Clover Heights which is right next to the baseball field at Malibu High School. (Back then it was a junior high school. It grew up after I left.) You can see my property in the Tweet, just above and to the right of the baseball field. (It used to be a football field.)

That fire is about 15 miles from me as the crow flies. The Skirball Fire is about 12 in the other direction. So far everything where I live is good. And the skies are remarkably clear.



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Post by Volkonski » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:52 pm

No sooner do they tamp down the fires west of 101 than the fire jumps the highway again.



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Post by Volkonski » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:01 pm

New fires keep starting. So far the fire crews have been able to contain the new ones.



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Further to the south in CA-



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