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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:02 pm

Rupert Murdoch's Moraga Estate vineyard (Google it) is threatened.

But it looks as if the firefighters have controlled the fire and kept it from either jumping the freeway to the west (I 405) or going over the Moraga ridgeline to the east.



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Post by Volkonski » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:33 pm

Looks like things will get worse before they get better.



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Post by TollandRCR » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:22 pm

CA has world renowned climate scientists. Has any of them expressed the possibility that climate change has produced the new normal: months with no rain?


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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:30 pm

TollandRCR wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:22 pm
CA has world renowned climate scientists. Has any of them expressed the possibility that climate change has produced the new normal: months with no rain?
Typical in Southern California. We often don't get rain until February. That has been the case for the last 40 years.



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Post by vic » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:48 pm

Yesterday, my neighbors told me that their daughter and a grandson who live about a mile from Ventura City Hall had to evacuate Monday night, but had since been allowed to return.

Today I asked them about that, since the maps for the Thomas Fire still show their neighborhood under mandatory evacuation. Well, it's a bit complicated. The fire personnel in that area had to be deployed elsewhere, and basically said that since the area around them had mostly burned already, they could return and in effect be on "fire watch"; the residents spent much of yesterday watching for, and putting out, small spot fires.



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Post by Whatever4 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:53 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:30 pm
TollandRCR wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:22 pm
CA has world renowned climate scientists. Has any of them expressed the possibility that climate change has produced the new normal: months with no rain?
Typical in Southern California. We often don't get rain until February. That has been the case for the last 40 years.
I learned in 1973 that it never rains in Southern California. But it pours, man it pours.


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Post by Volkonski » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:21 pm

This is worrying. :?



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There is that word "uncontrollable" in the description of EXTREME fire conditions. It does not sound good at all.


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Post by GhostOfSolomon » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:37 pm

One thing that is not discussed much is the whole "Burn Cali" sentiment within the far right. Here are a couple examples.

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Post by Kendra » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:38 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:25 am
Trump hasn't declared any disaster areas in California from these fires.

I guess he'll show us!
He tweeted thoughts and prayers. What more do you want? :sarcasm:



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Post by Volkonski » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:43 pm

The Thomas Fire could burn into Santa Barbara County when winds pick up again, and the evacuation zones expanded Wednesday morning to include Rincon Point, east of Carpinteria.
Read more here: http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/state ... rylink=cpy

Per Google Maps that is just a few miles from Santa Barbara.


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Post by maydijo » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:07 pm

GhostOfSolomon wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:37 pm
One thing that is not discussed much is the whole "Burn Cali" sentiment within the far right. Here are a couple examples.

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I'm guessing SR1970 is a Russianbot. Either that or he or she really has a bee in the bonnet about Hollywood. I'm reminded of a woman I met once who asked me to look up Hollywood's address for her so that she could send them a scathing letter about how bad their movies were. She did not understand it when I tried to explain that Hollywood is a suburb and that she would have to write to each film studio individually. (I didn't even try to explain that the movie business is a business, so they make their decisions accordingly, and make movies that will sell tickets.) She actually thought that Hollywood was the place where all the movies were made, and there was one central person in charge of the entire operation. Hmmm, maybe SHE is SR1970!

Words fail, and the mind struggles to comprehend a fire situation of this magnitude. To everyone affected, take care and stay safe.



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Post by maydijo » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:08 pm

Kendra wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:38 pm
Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:25 am
Trump hasn't declared any disaster areas in California from these fires.

I guess he'll show us!
He tweeted thoughts and prayers. What more do you want? :sarcasm:

Did he remember to change the location this time or are the thoughts and prayers still for Texas?



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Post by HeatherGray » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:26 pm

My sister lives in Encino. I checked the wildfire status this morning and didn't see a mention of Skirball then. A friend at agility practice mentioned a wildfire near the Getty so I checked when I got home. Then I texted my sister. She says there is a lot of smoke and soot, and that she will start worrying if the Skirball jumps the 405 tonight. I can't imagine what the traffic must be like. How can the firefighters even move their equipment? She is monitoring the situation on live TV.

They live on a heavily wooded acre lot in a heavily wooded neighborhood.



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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:09 pm

The bigots or Russian bots, or both, are missing the twofer. There are Jewish day schools and cultural centers in the area of the Skirball fire. The Skirball Center (on the other side of the freeway) is named after a Jewish benefactor (rabbi, film producer and real estate developer Jack Skirball) and also celebrates Jewish culture.



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Post by Volkonski » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:36 pm

Checked the NWS wind data for Santa Clarita. Now getting gusts up to 31 MPH. Forecast is for gusts up to 40 MPH tonight and 50 MPH Thursday. Planes and helicopters are now grounded due to darkness.

Heck, our getting flooded by Harvey seems mild by comparison.


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Post by Volkonski » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:44 pm

It is cool and raining here on the Texas upper Gulf coast. I wish we could send it to LA.


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Post by kate520 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:59 pm

Mr520’s cousins live up there between Ventura and Ojai. Three generations. One set of cousins lives just below the two green patches on the right side of V’s map, on highway 33 just where the eastern border of the burn area turns west. They live in the house his father built, having permanently moved back from Alaska 2 years ago. The rest of the cousins are farther up Hwy 33, in Ojai proper. So far everyone is ok, but that could change at any moment.

All we can do from here is hope and whatever. Do send us some of your rain, please, V.


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Post by arock » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:50 pm

According to FEMA's web site, a presidential disaster declaration is made only if the governor requests one (and the president approves). I don't see any indication that CA's gov has requested one yet.

See: https://www.fema.gov/disaster-declaration-process

FEMA, on its Disasters web page, lists 3 Fire Management Assistance Declarations declared on December 05, 2017, for the Thomas, Creek, and Rye fires.

https://www.fema.gov/disasters/grid/sta ... ernment/77



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