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Postby aarrgghh » Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:21 pm

We need a birther taxonomy to help us tell the honestly mistaken from the foul hearted opportunists and liars.

after four years, the only birfers left are the grifters, their willing marks, and the insane -- the honestly mistaken have realized that and already left the stage.

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Postby Sterngard Friegen » Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:04 pm

Regarding Orly, I'd prefer "All's Well That Ends."

I am fond of Shakespeare's The Disbarment of the Shrew.

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Postby Volkonski » Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:32 pm

Regarding Orly, I'd prefer "All's Well That Ends."

I am fond of Shakespeare's The Disbarment of the Shrew.

Ah, but the Shrew came out alright in the end. Katherine in Henry VIII better foreshadows Orly's fate.





Orly VIII





"Attorney Taitz" pleading with a judge who has ruled against her (which would be all of them) not to impose sanctions-





Sir, I desire you do me right and justice;


And to bestow your pity on me: for


I am a most poor woman, and a stranger,


Born out of your dominions; having here


No judge indifferent, nor no more assurance


Of equal friendship and proceeding. Alas, sir,


In what have I offended you? what cause


Hath my behavior given to your displeasure,


That thus you should proceed to put me off,


And take your good grace from me? Heaven witness,


I have been to you a pro se litigant,


At all times to your rules conformable;


Ever in fear to kindle your dislike,


Yea, subject to your countenance, glad or sorry


As I saw it inclined: when was the hour


I ever contradicted your pronouncements,


Or made them not mine too? Or which of your rules


Have I not strove to love, although I knew


They were mine enemy? what friend of mine


That had to him derived your anger, did I


Continue in my liking? nay, gave notice


He was from thence discharged. Sir, call to mind


That I have been engaged in this legal action,


Upward of twenty months, and have now sent


Full many motions to you: if, in the course


And process of this time, you can report,


And prove it too, against mine honour aught,


My bond to ethics, or the law and duty,


Against your sacred person, in God's name,


Turn me away; and let the foul'st contempt


Shut door upon me, and so give me up


To the sharp'st kind of justice. (Orly VIII- Act 2, Sc 4)





Henry VIII is one of the less frequently performed plays. The monologue on which this is based seems to fit so well. The first 10 lines, 6 lines in the middle and the last 4 lines are unchanged from the original.
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Postby Suranis » Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:42 pm

Had an odd experiance today. I was looking for something else, and I found a link to Freep which had its headline

Justice Kennedy: Natural Born Citizen Clause Was To Prevent European Royalty From Being POTUS

[/break1]freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3000428/posts]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3000428/postsAnd it was posted not 3 hours before. OOoooh I say, that looks interesting. So I click it

This thread has been pulled.Pulled on 03/25/2013 1:27:37 AM PDT by Admin Moderator, reason:Poster used wrong source, wrong link, wrong title, wrong content in order to post material from blocked site.

Its a konspiracy I tell you.
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Postby verbalobe » Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:46 pm

Had an odd experiance today. I was looking for something else, and I found a link to Freep which had its headline

Justice Kennedy: Natural Born Citizen Clause Was To Prevent European Royalty From Being POTUS

[/break1]freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3000428/posts]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3000428/postsAnd it was posted not 3 hours before. OOoooh I say, that looks interesting. So I click it

This thread has been pulled.Pulled on 03/25/2013 1:27:37 AM PDT by Admin Moderator, reason:Poster used wrong source, wrong link, wrong title, wrong content in order to post material from blocked site.

Its a konspiracy I tell you.

In case you're still intrigued, here's our thread on it:viewtopic.php?f=52&t=9214

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Postby aarrgghh » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:09 am

in a single handy sunday thread it all comes pouring out -- a sampling of the current state of the [/break1]freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3000222/posts]birfer id in all its resplendent regalia:





racism:





[quote name=X-spurt]Nobama and BC fakery is more about reparations and payback for slavery. Ancesters of slaves and africans coming here afterwards seem quite happy to destroy what we know as the USA with their stupid expectation that they will be in some catbird seat during the rebuilding.




[quote name=Old Sarge]“Gibs-Me-Dat” (n.) Annuities, in the form of goods, services, or material (usually welfare checks) given predominately to blacks, in exchange for their tacit agreement to reciprocate by not burning down America’s cities.





Example:





“Yo Trayvon, who you be votin' foe in 2012?”


“I gots to go wit Obama, baby. The democrats be givin out moe betta gibsmedat.”





Synonymous with: tribute, baksheesh, Danegeld, reparations





gay smear-mongering:





[quote name=Kenny Bunk]The real kicker is the RL Story. Reggie Love. Barry's long-time "Body Man," and live-in BF at the WH for 18 months. When he showed up in an old homo porno flic, he (was) pulled outa DC faster than AMTRAK. Nice good-bye present, too. He and Barry hook up on the road now, which kind of gives an odd spin to Michelle and the kids and their "separate vacations."





The Mombasa MF and RL spent 18 months "sequestered" in a WH den, with 6 ESPN Monitors, emerging only to shoot occasional hoops in the WH Gym. Their only regular visitor was Valerie Jarrett, with snacks and fresh towels and the occasional instruction memo from Soros and Van Jones.





false bravado:





[quote name=MHGinTN]When the collapse comes the gangs will eventually get me. But they will have to climb over a pile of rotting corpses to do so, if I have the chance to defend the little food and ammo I've stored up.




psychoanalysis (analysis by psychos, that is):





[quote name=Fantasywriter]Prayer is the key. Obama has recklessly and foolhardily mocked & denigrated God again & again. It is positively scary to watch. He’s like a person riding in the Hindenburg many miles above the earth, playing w a blow torch & laughing like a silly child. He can’t imagine a loose spark will ever connect w anything dangerous. When the inferno finally ignites he still won’t have any idea what hit him. Very sad to see.




[quote name=Fantasywriter]There is one thing going for us, though. Obama is NOT strong in the mold of a true tyrant. He is compulsively risk-averse, & sneaking & conniving above all. He is passive-aggressive & loves to stab people in the back w’out getting his fingerprints on the knife.





Yet under it all he is weak, petty & lazy. No doubt he is fantasizing about all the big things he will do when the time is right. But imho, the right time will principally serve to demonstrate how monstrously overrating this AA community organizer has been all along. He didn’t even write his own book, for heaven’s sake. Of course his backers will pull out all the stops, but it will be a bridge too far, & end in humiliation for Obama.





coup lust:





[quote name=wintertime]If, in the unlikely event, I am in their company I will turn my back. These men are despicable.They **KNOW** that Obama is a fraud. What have they legally and peaceful done to ask congress and the courts to confirm with certifiable evidence that Obama is, indeed, a legitimate Commander in Chief? Is this how the highest military leaders watch the backs of the HONORABLE men and women that they send into battle under insane Rules of Engagement?




last but not least, profound impotence:





[quote name=old curmudgeon]These things were not done by some campaign worker for a two bit pot smokin, can’t get a good grade, black guy on the down low, community organizer.


Right.





Consider that records were changed in Hawaii, the selective service board in (?), the Social Security Administration in CT, and that all of obumbler’s history and records at Columbia disappeared..





Two continents, more than three states and all at one time.





You and I can not pull this sort of stuff off. We can’t even get our foot in the door at Social Security and even people we consider to be expert at digging up information can’t get anything out of the records in Hawaii.





There is something really big behind this.

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Postby everalm » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:47 am

WOW....that thread is one big ole bucket of crazy, fear, hate, bigotry, outright racism, conspiracy theories and general fuckwit'ology....... :crazy:

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Postby Hektor » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:36 am

Yet under it all he is weak, petty & lazy. No doubt he is fantasizing about all the big things he will do when the time is right. But imho, the right time will principally serve to demonstrate how monstrously overrating this AA community organizer has been all along.

I always find Obama: the Lazy Weakling Usuperator to be rather hilarious. It's not that history isn't full of Lazy weaklings who are deposed from their tyrannical hold on power. It's just that those lazy weaklings are usually the descendants or successors of the strong tyrant who bloodily seized power in the first place. I may be wrong here, but there are few, if any, coup attempts by weak and lazy leadership, let alone a successful one. I mean according to BZ, the Hawaiian DoH has forged between 4 and 6 of the "known" birth certificates from August of 1961. Doing that would require a fair bit of coordination dedication and coercion. Everyone in the DoH risking their necks for a guy perceived as lazy, weak and petty? Who would hang them out to dry the minute a hard question got asked? It's not enough for Obama to be a threat worse than zombie Stalin-Hitler. He also has to be ridiculously small and pathetic in the eyes of the birfers. That someone supposedly so weak and impotent has managed to thwart the supposedly most patriotic of patriots for a good five years now is rather telling.

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Postby SueDB » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:39 am

Yet under it all he is weak, petty & lazy. No doubt he is fantasizing about all the big things he will do when the time is right. But imho, the right time will principally serve to demonstrate how monstrously overrating this AA community organizer has been all along.

I always find Obama: the Lazy Weakling Usuperator to be rather hilarious. It's not that history isn't full of Lazy weaklings who are deposed from their tyrannical hold on power. It's just that those lazy weaklings are usually the descendants or successors of the strong tyrant who bloodily seized power in the first place. I may be wrong here, but there are few, if any, coup attempts by weak and lazy leadership, let alone a successful one. I mean according to BZ, the Hawaiian DoH has forged between 4 and 6 of the "known" birth certificates from August of 1961. Doing that would require a fair bit of coordination dedication and coercion. Everyone in the DoH risking their necks for a guy perceived as lazy, weak and petty? Who would hang them out to dry the minute a hard question got asked? It's not enough for Obama to be a threat worse than zombie Stalin-Hitler. He also has to be ridiculously small and pathetic in the eyes of the birfers. That someone supposedly so weak and impotent has managed to thwart the supposedly most patriotic of patriots for a good five years now is rather telling.

It is just that after getting beat up so bad by Clinton's Penis, they are all scared to death of the blek guy. They have to compensate for their self admitted inferior "equipment".
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Postby Suranis » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:33 pm

It is just that after getting beat up so bad by Clinton's Penis, they are all scared to death of the blek guy. They have to compensate for their self admitted inferior "equipment".

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Postby Loren » Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:56 am

[/break1]freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3001114/posts?page=102#102]DiogenesLamp has got his madz on, using bold type and large fonts. But this stuck out to me in particular:





Yeah, Rawle Again. The British Loyalist who was on the OTHER SIDE during the War, and who was trained in BRITISH law, not the unique aspects of American law which is a separation from British Servitude.

Yep, it appears that in 1781, Rawle went to London to study law. There's no indication that he was ever a British loyalist, or that he ever fought for the British, but he studied at their law school.





(In looking this up, I was surprised to learn that [/break1]rawle.com/history]Rawle's law firm is still active.)





Later down the page, DL writes: "I think Rawle started this whole mess, and it is his misdirection that has caused serious damage to the law ever since."





Y'know who's responsible for screwing up the Founders' intentions? Eighteenth century lawyers who personally knew and worked with the Founders. Thank goodness we have 21-century internet posters with legal educations from the School of Google to set us straight.

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Postby Myron » Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:18 pm

I saw that and it is fascinating to think that this is all John Rawle's fault that we have over 200 years of precedent on this matter. I wonder what else DL wants to overturn? Marbury v. Madison? McCulloch v. Maryland? It's obvious that the Founders didn't understand the Founders' intent.

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Postby Welsh Dragon » Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:28 pm

[/break1]freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3001114/posts?page=102#102]DiogenesLamp has got his madz on, using bold type and large fonts. But this stuck out to me in particular:

Yeah, Rawle Again. The British Loyalist who was on the OTHER SIDE during the War, and who was trained in BRITISH law, not the unique aspects of American law which is a separation from British Servitude.

Yep, it appears that in 1781, Rawle went to London to study law. There's no indication that he was ever a British loyalist, or that he ever fought for the British, but he studied at their law school.

For most of the War Rawle would have been a minor under the authority of his stepfather Samuel Shoemaker who was a Loyalist. Where Rawle's sympathies lay I do not know but he returned in 1783 while his stepfather left for a few years so that may suggest something.

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Postby kate520 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:30 pm

[offtopic]Sue, you need to re-read the Obot manual. "Clinton's Penis shall at all times be referred to as The Clenis."[/offtopic]

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[offtopic]Sue, you need to re-read the Obot manual.





"Clinton's Penis shall at all times be referred to as The Clenis."[/offtopic]

Or the Mighty ClenisTM

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Postby SueDB » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:47 pm

[offtopic]Sue, you need to re-read the Obot manual.





"Clinton's Penis shall at all times be referred to as The Clenis."[/offtopic]

Or the Mighty ClenisTM

I would think Clenis Maximus would fill the bill as it ALWAYS scares the hell out of the Pugs.
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[/break1]freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3001114/posts?page=102#102]DiogenesLamp has got his madz on, using bold type and large fonts.

A bit of context may explain it.





A week or so earlier, Jeff Winston on [/break1]freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2996621/posts?q=1&;page=401]another thread had pretty much shut DiogenesLamp down cold. In case any of you missed the fun, here's the sequence.





JW had replied to Ray76 that the so-called "grandfather clause" was enacted in view of the likes of Hamilton, Wilson, etc -- those foreign-born persons who had been instrumental in the Revolution (Post 410). JW in a subsequent post (422) even laid out the historical commentary supporting this. Earlier in the thread, when JW had indicated that Washington, etc. -- those who had been born on the American soil -- were NBC, DL had pulled his typical "you're an illogical moron; how can a person be a citizen of a nation which would come into existence for another ___ years?" bit. So DiogenesLamp, apparently replying to JW's post 410 without first having read down to post 422, doubles down on the stupid (Post 435):





This weird concept is straight from "Dr. Conspiracy." He dreamed it up in an attempt to patch a hole in his goofy theory, namely the "grandfather clause" of article II.





It requires one to believe that someone can be a natural born citizen of two different countries simultaneously, and one of them doesn't even exist yet!





It is sophist nonsense.

So JW had a bit of fun in reply (Post 440):





No, Dr. Conspiracy did not dream it up. This has been the view of historians throughout American history. Absolutely for more than 100 years, but probably much earlier than that.





It requires one to believe that someone can be a natural born citizen of two different countries simultaneously, and one of them doesn't even exist yet!





No, it simply recognizes that when the colonists WERE colonists, they held allegiance both to their Colonies, and to the King who ruled them.





They were natural born citizens of what might be called Englamerica, because it was a country that consisted both of England and America.





Upon the Revolution, what had once been a single country divided into two countries.





Englamerica became, by its division, England-without-America, and America.





At that time, people had to decide which half of the amoeba they were really committed to, and which half of the amoeba they were going to CONTINUE to be citizens of.





They had always been citizens. Those born in the Colonies had been NATURAL BORN citizens, or natural born subjects, whichever term you care to use. BOTH terms were used interchangeably in the early United States. But natural born citizen soon mostly supplanted natural born subject, although natural born subject still appears in at least one state constitution.





This was the view of the Founding Fathers, and it is clearly seen in James Madison's speech regarding William Loughton Smith.





As for the idea that Dr. Conspiracy "dreamed up" the "weird" concept that the grandfather clause was passed to honor those who had come here from other places, who were not natural born Americans, who had risked their lives and fortunes to help us gain Independence, your making that claim only illustrates the fact that you simply don't know what you're talking about, although you imagine you do.





No one who genuinely had a clue would ever make such a claim. Earlier I suggested that MamaTexan needed to go back to being a mother. I think you need to go back to being an electrical engineer, or whatever it is that you actually do.





Because claiming that idea was invented by someone running a blog since the election of Barack Obama is a sure indicator to anybody watching that when it comes to interpreting history and the Constitution, you're a complete and absolute quack.





No foreign-born person can fill the highest office in our government. This provision was made to guard against foreign influence, and the intrigues of ambitious foreigners for this position of honor and trust. One exception to this rule, however, was made in the Constitution: a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, though a naturalized citizen, could hold the office of President. This exception was made because of the many citizens of foreign birth who had risked their lives and spent their fortunes in the protection of their adopted country through the bloody war of the Revolution. To have denied them any privileges which were given to the native-born citizens would have been gross injustice.





The Civil Government of the United States. Fitch, 1889





The foreign-born citizen cannot be elected President; surely no great discrimination when the same rule of exclusion holds practically true of many millions of "natural born" citizens. Even to this rule there is an exception stated in the Clause, doubtless made out of respect for distinguished foreign-born members of the Convention, notably Hamilton, Wilson, Robert Morris, to whom the Convention here makes this bow of courteous recognition. Very appropriate will the little act of courtesy turn out, for one of these foreign-born citizens, Alexander Hamilton, will produce in The Federalist the best exposition of the Constitution that has ever been made in a book, being still the classic work on this subject.





The State, Specially the American State, Psychologically Treated. Snider, 1902





Many of foreign birth who had helped to create the United States would have been rendered ineligible had not the provision been inserted making eligible those of foreign birth who at the time of the adoption of the Constitution were citizens of the United States. The lapse of time long since removed that class and left the excepting clause the mere record of an interesting historic fact. Seven of the signers of the Constitution were foreign born: James Wilson, Robert Morris and Thomas Fitzsimons of Pennsylvania, Alexander Hamilton of New York, William Paterson of New Jersey, James McHenry of Maryland, and Pierce Butler of South Carolina.





The Constitution of the United States, Its Sources and Its Application. Norton, 1922





The committee also specified that anyone who was "a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution" would be eligible to the presidency. This seems to have been done in consideration of certain prominent American leaders, including James Wilson, Alexander Hamilton, and Robert Morris, who had been born abroad.





Who Vies for President? Nelson, 1987





Only the presidency and vice presidency were reserved for birth-citizens. Even this reservation would not apply so as to exclude any immigrants who were already American citizens in 1787, men who had proved their loyalty by coming to or remaining in America during the Revolution. Seven of the thirty-nine Philadelphia signers were themselves foreign-born, and during the ratification process, countless naturalized Americans voted on equal terms with their natural-born fellow citizens.


[Note]





America's Constitution: A Biography. Amar, 2005





[i]Issues... that garnered little opposition included... that the president be at least thirty-five years old... and that the president be a natural-born citizen. This citizenship proviso seemed to eliminate aspirations to the presidency that might have been entertained by three of Madison's allies - Hamilton, Robert Morris, and Wilson. However, the committee on postponed matters added a clause requiring merely that the president be either a natural-born citizen or a fourteen-year resident of the United States, and the delegates approved it unanimously... The Committee of Style dropped even the fourteen-year requirement in favor of a requirement that the president be a natural-born citizen or a citizen at the time of the Constitution's adoption.






The Constitution and America's Destiny. Robertson, 2005

The "legend-in-his-own-mind" DiogenesLamp disappeared from the Birther discussions (so far as I could tell) for a week or so at this point. No surprise there. It's right difficult when you've been just shown to be a complete idiot as to the historical understanding of the purpose of the "grandfather clause" to then keep posturing that you REALLY KNOW the meaning of the Constitutional phrase "NBC" that immediately precedes it. Plus, DL's blunder created a substantive problem for him: if the GC is directed at the foreign-born patriots, then necessarily that means that those born on American soil were implicitly understood to be "natural born citizens," notwithstanding that at their birth they had parents who were (gasp!!) -- British subjects.





I'm sure DL was in a bit of quiet rage that Winston had so totally cleaned his clock. So DiogenesLamp hauled out a classic technique of Internet debate: lay low for a spell and then re-appear on a new thread and go on attack mode.

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Postby kate520 » Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:56 pm

These birthers who get stuck the peripheral minutiae of what So and So said in a letter to Someone Else on page 12 paragraph 7 in 1773 make me think that, like dear KBOA, they are on some sort of go faster drugs. They crow, they cheer whenever they throw their little facts into a discussion, as if it will stop everyone else dead in their tracks while they admire the perspicacity of the deliverer. Then everyone will shrug and go home. WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP, they win!

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Postby A Legal Lohengrin » Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:09 pm

These birthers who get stuck the peripheral minutiae of what So and So said in a letter to Someone Else on page 12 paragraph 7 in 1773 make me think that, like dear KBOA, they are on some sort of go faster drugs. They crow, they cheer whenever they throw their little facts into a discussion, as if it will stop everyone else dead in their tracks while they admire the perspicacity of the deliverer.

This is particularly funny when they clearly don't have the foggiest vaguest idea what their cherry-picked quotes even mean, or the very next phrase or sentence, if they had actually quoted it instead of editing out, says exactly the opposite of what they want their quote to mean.





The primal example, of course, is the out of context, mangled snippets from Vattel.

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Postby burriana » Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:10 pm

"I think you need to go back to being an electrical engineer, or whatever it is that you actually do. "Ahhh. That explains why the bag o'hormones, Fantasistwriter, made a real song and dance about whether JW was an engineer or not.

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Postby BrianH » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:15 am

Ahhh. That explains why the bag o'hormones, Fantasistwriter, made a real song and dance about whether JW was an engineer or not.

Fantasywriter appears to be peeking in here. Her [/break1]freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3001114/posts?page=733#733]comment to Jeff Winston earlier today:

No wonder you are the new Fogbow darling. They love their own. [No; I didn’t visit the site to get that info. It’s available elsewhere, fyi.]

Oh, my bad. She gets her FB news from those "other" places. That her comment came a few hours after my quote about Winston and your reference to her is surely just coincidence. Maybe a group wave to FW is in order so those "other places" can relay the signal to her.

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Postby Plutodog » Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:59 am

Maybe a group wave to FW is in order so those "other places" can relay the signal to her.

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Postby Tarrant » Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:51 pm

Freep is all atwitter - with three separate threads open - regarding the eligibility appeal that now sits with the Alabama Supreme Court, with Chief Justice Roy "Ten Commandments" Moore presiding. A few people have put some quotes in this thread, but it's gone crazier since.There's a real sense of desperation, where if THIS guy won't act on it, might it be possible no one ever does? But some of the posts are from people I haven't seem much of before, perhaps because of the Roy Moore tags drawing them - he does have a lot of Freeper fans. There's also a lot of race-baiting jpegs in the threads - stay classy, Freepers."Norm Lenhart" has this to say...

Each and every one of the most powerful people on the planet. government, civilian and military know Obama is not eligible. Thus complicit to one degree or another. Many of them legally so.

That's right, the conspiracy is global, with every major world leader all in on it.

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Hey freepers! Do you want to play football with Lucy?
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Postby Citizen Like Obama » Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:51 pm

So as of yesterday afternoon when I scanned the three threads it looked like there were only two people who understood this was an appeal, that President Obama was not a party to the original case, that the Appeals Court was not going to personally issue subpoenas, "evidence" re The President's eligibility was not going to be presented and that what is being asked of the court is moot and further since The President did not receive any elector's votes from the state, totally pointless in any event. The hopeful folks over there seem to confuse criminal and civil court cases. They are fantasizing about Obama standing trial before the appeals court facing criminal charges!


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