Sheriff Joe's Cold Case Posse Reports

BFB · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:14 am

So I guess taxpayer money will soon be used in this charade?

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While he said that decision remained in the future, sources told WND today that the Cold Case Posse, a team of volunteers not being paid by taxpayers, were briefing sheriff’s office investigators on the status of evidence, so that they might be able to participate in the future as those responsible for the fraud and forgery uncovered already might be pursued.

As usual, WND's headline misstates what the story says.

More at the link.

Loren · **Joined:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:20 pm **Posts:** 3928

I like how the posse concluded that the long-form was created in a computer, but that the singular suspicious aspect of the Selective Service form was created by physically cutting up and reassembling a PIKA stamp. As opposed to, say, swapping the placement of numbers in Photoshop.

So in the case of the green security paper, they noticed that there are gaps in that layer consistent with the content that appears on the form. Which they explain...frankly, I barely even understand their explanation. All I know is that if I was a forger, and I had created the table of text and signatures, then I'd either drop in a solid sheet of security paper as the bottom layer of the document, or I'd just print the image out onto a page of the security paper. Dropping the pattern in *around* the text is insane. They also want to claim that the registrar stamps were faked, even though since Hawaii vouches for them, Hawaii has access to the stamps and could simply *use* them on a forged printout.

And in the case of the SSS form, if I was a forger, I'd not only be able to easily fake the 80, but there's no reason I couldn't fake the 19 too. If I had a PIKA stamp, I'd know that the first two digits appeared, and would have no reason to leave them out. And it could all be done in Photoshop; It's not like I'm having to forge a SSS form with tools from the 1950s.

But because the Birthers are focused so narrowly on each anomaly (and because they'd make crappy forgers), they conclude that a computer was used when it wasn't necessary, and that the computer was completely ignored when it would have been helpful.

Loren · **Joined:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:20 pm **Posts:** 3928

greatkim wrote:

The more I hear Arpaio interviewed, the more I understand why he and Corsi get along so well. They have EXACTLY the same personality, and they respond exactly the same way to confrontational questions.

Adelante · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:23 am

What about the unidentified rest of the posse? I don't see them collecting on their part of the "work product" for this booklet. If they were even at the press conference, I don't know it.

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"Since he's a volunteer, Mike owns his work product and as such, he's permitted to utilize that work product for compensation," Corsi explained.

Loren, thanks for buying it and reporting.

jtmunkus wrote:

MCSO investigator selling 'birther' investigation online
by Jared Dillingham

Epectitus · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:55 pm **Posts:** 2387

Loren wrote:

So in the case of the green security paper, they noticed that there are gaps in that layer consistent with the content that appears on the form. Which they explain...frankly, I barely even understand their explanation. All I know is that if I was a forger, and I had created the table of text and signatures, then I'd either drop in a solid sheet of security paper as the bottom layer of the document, or I'd just print the image out onto a page of the security paper. Dropping the pattern in *around* the text is insane.

What struck me during the presser was how badly Zullo misrepresented the layer that contains the security pattern. He repeatedly made it sound as if the only thing on that layer was the security pattern... but it's not. It has almost the entire non-textual form, most of the handwritten signatures, and parts of the text and stamps. The layer directly contradicts the claim that it was dropped in separately and last as it contains so many other elements that would have had to have been dropped in at the same time.

The halos have a far more prosaic explanation. The "security pattern layer" is the only multi-color component of the entire pdf. While all the other components are monochrome bit-masks, that sole layer is a multicolor jpg. It is therefore the only component of the nine on which anti-aliasing can be applied. And as it anti-aliased the boundaries of black components, text especially, such halos were impossible to avoid.

As an aside... Zebest appears (at quick glance) to have no idea what "noise" is. What she has identified as a difference in noise is simply the difference between the anti-aliased jpg and the monochrome bitmasks which cannot be anti-aliased.

Also, the point that the date stamp and registrar's stamp can be moved around is pointless. Every other component of the pdf can be moved around as well. They're components. Insert "duh" here.

richRocket · **Joined:** Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:56 am **Posts:** 232

does anybody know the size of the crowd at Joe's dog & pony show?

Paul Pieniezny · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:26 pm

CatMe wrote:

listeme wrote:

Offtopic :

Quote:

Sorry, trans-Atlantic telephone service did not begin until December, 1961.

I know this isn't the point of the post, but I'm not finding confirmation of this. So far wikipedia has it at 1927. I wonder if the author meant something different that I'm not figuring out.

Edit: 1927 for the very beginning, obviously. I don't know when various locations were able to take part.

Offtopic :

Well, I went back to the link in her blog post, which goes here: http://archives.cbc.ca/on_this_day/12/19/

The first post on the site is about a a transatlantic telephone line between Canada and England, which says, "The cable is the first section of a planned telephone network linking Commonwealth countries around the globe."

Based on that, I am inferring that the author concluded that because Kenya was under the governance of Great Britain in 1961, if the first transatlantic phone service between Commonwealth countries was between England and Canada and occurred in 1961, then Kenya would not yet have had transatlantic phone service. I did not verify the information in the author's post, and I definitely would not include it in any formal refutation of the birther position without verifying it first.

Offtopic :

That was a problem I was running up against when at the end of my story explaining how Eisenhower used his European trip to create precedents for himself by getting Hoover included in the London phone directory, and hiding the copies of birth certificates for Taft, the two Roosevelts and Harry Sergei Truman (used to claim French citizenship) at the back of the panel of the Just Judges in Ghent rather than at the back of a painting in the cathedral of Sainte-Mere-Eglise.

Jean Jaures was supposed to contact Eisenhower just before he got shot. Unfortunately, he could only send a telegram.

1927 was in fact a radio connection. The first real calls between London on the one hand and US or Canda on the other were by TAT 1 - September 25, 1956.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAT-1

You called an operator (even if you were already on automatic) and asked for a line to Canada or the US, or alternatively, Britain. Sometimes you had to wait a long time.

I am pretty sure the earlier radio connection worked the same way, and you had to wait longer.

December 1961 was the start-up of another system, involving Teleglobe, and provided 80 more simultaneous calls. From then on, what we now expect as normal, you just dial the country code and the number and they connect you to the other side of the world, became possible.

Oh, and I also found there were a grand total of ... 1,000 public telephone cells in Kenya in 1978!

This gives you an idea that what we now take for granted, is really something that started between 1955 and 1965:

http://www.atlantic-cable.com/Cables/Ca ... ex1951.htm

Hawaii to USA 1957. USA to Britain 1956, France to Algeria 1957. If Kenya was somehow connected to Algeria, you could have called someone in Paris from Nairobi, asked them to pass on a message to someone in London, then on to New York and finally Honolulu. :mrgreen:

Did we just double the number of people who are part of the conspiracy?

I remember having to phone Surinam in 1972. Had to go to the post office. Radio line to a Paramaribo office that had just become part of a local network of fewer than 10,000 subscribers. Wow.

SueDB · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:39 pm

Establishes that phone and communication service was unreliable when it was available. No MTV, no Internet, no nothing until Telstar pioneered modern communications.

Offtopic :

Try to get one more thing in before I get Greened

Remember Telsar????

Telstar was one of the biggest steps in communication since the telegraph. It revolutionized communication yet is didn't go into space till 1962 and 1963. The start of modern telephone service IMHO was 1962. A little late and a C note short... don'tcha think?

More at link

Telstar is the name of various communications satellites, including the first such satellite to relay television signals.

The first two Telstar satellites were experimental and nearly identical. Telstar 1 was launched on top of a Thor-Delta rocket on July 10, 1962. It successfully relayed through space the first television pictures, telephone calls, fax images and provided the first live transatlantic television feed. Telstar 2 was launched May 7, 1963.

Sequoia32 · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:05 pm

neonzx wrote:

Not sure if this was posted. WND "interview" of Joe after the presser.

It's a bit long and mostly boring, but the last 2 minutes (skip to the ~7:15 mark) are worth the effort.

Arpaio says it was forged in Hawaii and is very disparaging of the Hawaii DoH.

Maru · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:11 pm

So, six months ago when he first brought this "issue" to Arpaio, Corsi days he told him he would release a book about the investigation. With the lead investigator.

Of yeah, that was going to be impartial. Gags. Investigate something at the behest of one of the partisans with the incentive of sharing in profits. Nice work Zullo.

I am looking for info on this guy but all the googling just comes up with the other Zullo in the news....young Jason Zullo the police officer charged with harassing Latinos. Arggh. Mimi, I need research help

AnitaMaria · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:41 pm **Posts:** 2233

Loren wrote:

- As for what was examined, "Two microfilm reels were found for August 1961...Reel 184, INA [sic] records from July 28, 1961 through Aug. 7, 1961....Reel 185, INA [sic] records from Aug. 9, 1961 through Aug. 2 [sic, the picture clearly shows "August 12"], 1961."

- If "two microfilm reels were found for August 1961," and those reels only cover up through August 12, then Aug. 1-7 aren't the only dates missing for August. Rather, it sounds like August 8-12 are the only dates that EXIST for that month.

Loren: If Corsi saw reel 184, covering dates July 28 - Aug 7, 1961, then the data for Aug. 1-7 are not missing, right? They are on reel 184, which he saw. Something doesn't add up.

MaineSkeptic · **Joined:** Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:48 pm **Posts:** 5295

Maru wrote:

So, six months ago when he first brought this "issue" to Arpaio, Corsi days he told him he would release a book about the investigation. With the lead investigator.

Of yeah, that was going to be impartial. Gags. Investigate something at the behest of one of the partisans with the incentive of sharing in profits. Nice work Zullo.

Does anyone else think that Arpaio's promoting a commercial venture (with possible self-interest) under color of his office may violate the law?

SueDB · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:14 pm

MaineSkeptic wrote:

Does anyone else think that Arpaio's promoting a commercial venture (with possible self-interest) under color of his office may violate the law?

It makes me think of using the color of the office to advance personal issues. Malfeasance? IMHO it is certainly very bad judgement and extremely UNprofessional, but we already knew that....

esseff44 · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:35 pm

SueDB wrote:

MaineSkeptic wrote:

Does anyone else think that Arpaio's promoting a commercial venture (with possible self-interest) under color of his office may violate the law?

It makes me think of using the color of the office to advance personal issues. Malfeasance? IMHO it is certainly very bad judgement and extremely UNprofessional, but we already knew that....

Obviously, the resources that were used by Mike Zullo to aid and abet Corsi's commercial enterprise were tax-payer funded. So what if the posse was volunteer. They were using both the name, powers and resources of the MCSD to further a commercial venture.

The Dillingham report above was a good one pointing out Corsi's motives and involvement and the complicity of Zullo and the Sheriff in carrying them out at taxpayer expense. That presser was also taking a lot of sheriff department staff time and resources. His claims about it not costing the taxpayers needs an investigation. It looks like at least one supervisor sees that.

borealis · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:13 pm

esseff44 wrote:

SueDB wrote:

MaineSkeptic wrote:

Does anyone else think that Arpaio's promoting a commercial venture (with possible self-interest) under color of his office may violate the law?

It makes me think of using the color of the office to advance personal issues. Malfeasance? IMHO it is certainly very bad judgement and extremely UNprofessional, but we already knew that....

Obviously, the resources that were used by Mike Zullo to aid and abet Corsi's commercial enterprise were tax-payer funded. So what if the posse was volunteer. They were using both the name, powers and resources of the MCSD to further a commercial venture.

The Dillingham report above was a good one pointing out Corsi's motives and involvement and the complicity of Zullo and the Sheriff in carrying them out at taxpayer expense. That presser was also taking a lot of sheriff department staff time and resources. His claims about it not costing the taxpayers needs an investigation. It looks like at least one supervisor sees that.

M

I hope every case Arpaio's regime ever helped prosecute, is called into question. I hope Maricopa County is swarmed by lawyers filing to have client convictions overturned Monday. If this is how this sheriff operates with real law enforcement investigators, it might be easy to find gross malfeasance, fabrication of evidence, perjury by investigators, obstruction of justice, deprivation of civil rights. Looks like the Shurrf's massive ego commandeered his common sense and he forgot there could be massive consequences for his county that could cost it millions in taxpayer monies.

BTW can an attorney use this presser to cast doubt on Maricopa Sheriff's investigative processes and get the client released from jail.

SueDB · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:21 pm

borealis wrote:

BTW can an attorney use this presser to cast doubt on Maricopa Sheriff's investigative processes and get the client released from jail.

I would hate to think of having some of those folks who really are guilty let loose on society again. AFAIC, when you deprive a citizen of his/her liberty (jail) you have to do it fair and square. Unfortunately, the folks in jail may not have the money for a good lawyer to go to bat for them. I think this should be a project of the Law School there in AZ.

borealis · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:31 pm

SueDB wrote:

borealis wrote:

BTW can an attorney use this presser to cast doubt on Maricopa Sheriff's investigative processes and get the client released from jail.

I would hate to think of having some of those folks who really are guilty let loose on society again. AFAIC, when you deprive a citizen of his/her liberty (jail) you have to do it fair and square. Unfortunately, the folks in jail may not have the money for a good lawyer to go to bat for them. I think this should be a project of the Law School there in AZ.

I agree Sue. However, how many innocent people may have been illegally adn wrongfuly convicted? Especially if there were death penalty cases involved? The county should demand his resignation if lawyers come calling.If the state thinks its right. it should retry all the cases.

SueDB · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:38 pm

borealis wrote:

I agree Sue. However, how many innocent people may have been illegally and wrongfully convicted? Especially if there were death penalty cases involved? The county should demand his resignation if lawyers come calling.If the state thinks its right. it should retry all the cases.

Yep, each case should be reviewed for Old Joe's fingerprints. I can just see a busload of ACLU lawyers descending on Maricopa County. Not only Old Joe's gotta go, but the entire department is corrupt through and through. This is one case where you should throw all the scoundrels out and bring in competent and honest cops. They are out there.

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:42 pm

As I understand the politics of Maricopa County, Arpaio has been elected and re-elected by the populations of the outlying cities, towns, and housing developments, not by the residents of Phoenix. Many of those outlying areas are occupied by snowbirds, who may well be voting twice -- once in Maricopa County and once in their home states. Is this a correct understanding?

Whatever action ensues, I hope that the City of Phoenix does not get dragged into it.

A Legal Lohengrin · **Joined:** Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:56 pm **Posts:** 9708

borealis wrote:

I hope every case Arpaio's regime ever helped prosecute, is called into question. I hope Maricopa County is swarmed by lawyers filing to have client convictions overturned Monday. If this is how this sheriff operates with real law enforcement investigators, it might be easy to find gross malfeasance, fabrication of evidence, perjury by investigators, obstruction of justice, deprivation of civil rights. Looks like the Shurrf's massive ego commandeered his common sense and he forgot there could be massive consequences for his county that could cost it millions in taxpayer monies.

Frankly, this is exactly how the criminal Arpaio has always operated. He has, in fact, done every single thing you name and been caught. The county has, in fact, had to pay out millions in taxpayer dollars to pay judgments or settle lawsuits because of Arpaio's routine criminal conduct. He has had newspaper editors falsely arrested and prosecuted for fake criminal charges for criticizing his reign of terror. He has done the same to other elected officials and even judges. Absolutely sweet fuck-all has happened to Arpaio as a result.

He has let dozens of sex crime and child molestation cases go completely uninvestigated because he is too busy jumping in front of every camera he can find to pretend to be "America's Toughest Sheriff," while actually only being America's most corrupt and lawless thug with a badge.

While I hope that this birther nonsense is a catalyst for the ongoing federal investigation, I am not going to hold my breath. Compared to other things Clueless Joe has done, the birther thing is only unique in how flabbergastingly idiotic it is.

The citizens of Maricopa, or at least its voters, apparently have wanted to have a criminal sheriff for years. I hope this is the final straw, but I have seen Arpaio get reelected despite absolutely heinous and felonious behavior, and utter incompetence. All he seems to have to do is blow a few racist dog whistles to get the white supremacist vote.

borealis · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:35 pm

A Legal Lohengrin wrote:

borealis wrote:

I hope every case Arpaio's regime ever helped prosecute, is called into question. I hope Maricopa County is swarmed by lawyers filing to have client convictions overturned Monday. If this is how this sheriff operates with real law enforcement investigators, it might be easy to find gross malfeasance, fabrication of evidence, perjury by investigators, obstruction of justice, deprivation of civil rights. Looks like the Shurrf's massive ego commandeered his common sense and he forgot there could be massive consequences for his county that could cost it millions in taxpayer monies.

Frankly, this is exactly how the criminal Arpaio has always operated. He has, in fact, done every single thing you name and been caught. The county has, in fact, had to pay out millions in taxpayer dollars to pay judgments or settle lawsuits because of Arpaio's routine criminal conduct. He has had newspaper editors falsely arrested and prosecuted for fake criminal charges for criticizing his reign of terror. He has done the same to other elected officials and even judges. Absolutely sweet fuck-all has happened to Arpaio as a result.

He has let dozens of sex crime and child molestation cases go completely uninvestigated because he is too busy jumping in front of every camera he can find to pretend to be "America's Toughest Sheriff," while actually only being America's most corrupt and lawless thug with a badge.

While I hope that this birther nonsense is a catalyst for the ongoing federal investigation, I am not going to hold my breath. Compared to other things Clueless Joe has done, the birther thing is only unique in how flabbergastingly idiotic it is.
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The citizens of Maricopa, or at least its voters, apparently have wanted to have a criminal sheriff for years. I hope this is the final straw, but I have seen Arpaio get reelected despite absolutely heinous and felonious behavior, and utter incompetence. All he seems to have to do is blow a few racist dog whistles to get the white supremacist vote.

Although the people of Maricopa may love their Wild Joe, most of them are still essentially tight fiscal conservatives. Losing a massive onslaught of retrials, and I mean hundreds, could easily bankrupt the county couldn't it? Don't try a dozen cases. Try a hundred. While the citizens may like his hard line against immigration and crime, once they starting seeing sharp financial ramifications and seeing people go free they will reevaluate their support. If I might paraphrase from Prizzi's Honor: Conservative voters would rather eat Joe than part with their money. And they are very fond of Joe.

mimi · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:17 pm

Quote:

Reply by davidfarrar 49 minutes ago

So who are the Congressional leaders in Ariz? Shouldn't Sheriff Joe Arpaio bring his cold case results before Congress?

Doesn't John McCain care about any of this material? And if not; why not?

ex animo

davidfarrar

ex-amoeba might have a point. Sheriff Joe should testify under oath. And his possee as well.

And Carl is on the hunt for a sheriff:

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Reply by Carl Swensson 41 minutes ago

Meanwhile, back on the ranch, the GA triumirate of Deal, Kemp and Olens are working with their various Judges and Michael Jablonski (Obama's GA lawyer) to quash the Obama eligibility challengers in spite of the now overwhelming evidence that they have zero documentation to prove Obama is legally eligible to be on our GA ballot. ZERO. Yet GA law demands proof? You can't reconcile this by changing the laws on the fly, which is what they're doing, but they can feign ignorance thereby, desperately, holding on to all the Federal dollars now promissed this state for their silence. Do you think they really believe these funds will be forthcoming?

Such idiots. Such complicit idiots.

This is going to explode in their faces and I, for one, welcome the day that happens. In the mean time I'll hound them at every opportunity and attempt to find us a Sheriff who will remove them from office for their dastardly deeds. No, I don't expect I'll find one soon but as evidence mounts they may be more willing...

http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topic ... e=activity

Danraft · **Joined:** Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:45 pm **Posts:** 26

Well, Breitbart's conversation with Joe four hours before his death. And, that Breitbart had said that there was going to be a shocker out on March 1st. Well, that implies some amount of collusion. That this was not a new investigation, but old debunked theories put out again without calling HI or seeking to do more than use the information provided by Corsi. That Corsi has shown himself to be of the same cloth as Breitbart (lie and inflame), that the book was ready to go. That the camera, videos etc, show little to no impartiality.
There was never any consideration this was to be an honest investigation. And, amazingly, this was thought out months ago. Apparantly the book was discussed with Joe months ago. Is Corsi this smart? Who else is in on this? How much of the Wingnut slander and libel is actually coordinated and planned and interlocking. There was a thread that mentioned that the CA GOP head was contacted before the Joe report came out (and is was already scripted and rehearsed and printed into book form)--does this imply GOP complicity? And, if TFG missed all of this complicity, can it predict what is coming next knowing some of the new information. Many, like myself read many threads, tho I tend to lurk more than contribute. The smear and burn and run has maybe more intelligence to it than I ever would have given them credit for.
Breitbarts shocker of the Ayers video or audio of Obama was on one of the threads discussing it not to come out until October. I guess...to get to the point... What is next? What nefarious cards are to be played? Who is coordinating this mucky muck?

A Legal Lohengrin · **Joined:** Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:56 pm **Posts:** 9708

Danraft wrote:

Well, Breitbart's conversation with Joe four hours before his death. And, that Breitbart had said that there was going to be a shocker out on March 1st.

[birfer]Clearly, Breitbart threatened to blow the whistle on Arpaio to the Feds. That's why Arpaio had him murdered.[/birfer]

bob · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:57 pm

borealis wrote:

BTW can an attorney use this presser to cast doubt on Maricopa Sheriff's investigative processes and get the client released from jail.

No.

You would have to prove that the evidence was false in your case to obtain relief.

That law enforcement bungled some other case (or "investigation") does not automatically call into doubt the evidence in your case.

Falsehoods unchallenged only fester and grow.

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