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White Supremacist Sheriff Joe Arpaio was on Lou Dobbs 11/12/2007

Sheriff Joe Arpaio says it's an HONOR to be compared to KKK



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OK -- here's the masterpiece. http://www.thefogbow.com/arpaio-report/

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I've got to confess that I'm a little uneasy about the part on the National Archives. I don't see that the absence of the records in the web guide as that conclusive. Most of the posse's case is made up mistakes, distortions and little lies. It seems unlikely to me that they would throw in one big lie about obtaining 10 years records that do not exist. An error in the National Archives' web guide seems more likely to me.

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From this morning's Arizona Republic:

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The investigation relied on volunteers working with an electronic copy of the president's birth certificate, which is available online, and pointing out inconsistencies with the electronic document. A representative with the Hawaii Attorney General's Office said no one from the Sheriff's Office ever requested to inspect or collect documents related to the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/ ... z1nxjJzfdl


Wow, how thorough an investigation that was! They never even TRIED to contac the actual custodians of the records WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY charging in their report that said custodians were refusing access and hiding things from them.

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I've got to confess that I'm a little uneasy about the part on the National Archives. I don't see that the absence of the records in the web guide as that conclusive. Most of the posse's case is made up mistakes, distortions and little lies. It seems unlikely to me that they would throw in one big lie about obtaining 10 years records that do not exist. An error in the National Archives' web guide seems more likely to me.


There's something on page two of the MCSO presser that caught my attention. These two statements appear in the same paragraph:

"we examined the Records of...flights that originated outside the United States in the month of August 1961."

"This is the only week in 1961 were these immigration cards cannot be found."

So even in their own press release, they can't make up their minds about how many records "they" (i.e., Corsi) searched. Just August 1961, or all of 1961?

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now someone has to explain me this:

why are there so many ITALIANS in the birfer circus:

APUZZO, ARPAIO (the harp maker in Italian), D'ONOFRIO, etc ?

This has always been a deep embarrassment to me, too.

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snip...for the greenies.

Usual disclaimers apply - this is not an official transcript, it wasn't prepared by skilled workers, use at own risk,may contain nuts, etc.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/83474057/Arpa ... t-1-MAR-12


Very nice y'all- where you say 'may contain nuts, you should say DOES contain nuts - a overflowing bucketful. kinda like the cheap and cheezy mixed nuts -

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Most of the points in the report have already been used by others and unsurprisingly debunked, but one guy[*] actually debunked her entire report point-for-point

* "One guy" is Epectitus. :banana:

Oh my gosh.... it really is!!! I'm pretty flattered.

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I think every criminal serving time in Arizona jails convicted as the result of an investigation by Joe Arpaio’s office now has grounds for an appeal.


On what grounds? Or just on the basis that Joe has now shown himself to be a complete nutter?

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Mark Gillar?


I believe you're absolutely right. Here is another narrated video posted by TeaPartyPowerHour in January, and here is Gillar hosting the Woodman debate. It's his YouTube channel and his voice.

So why is a Tea Party internet-radio host from Texas (who likes to have Birthers as guests, whose website has a banner ad for the Birther Summit, and who has previously posted a YouTube video claiming Obama is mentally ill) narrating the videos that are the heart of the Arizona posse's presentation and posting them online?

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Maru wrote:
The lead investigator isn't even a former Arizona police officer. Mike Zullo is a retired New Jersey detective.


So Zullo is a Non-AZ citizen working as a Mercenary spokesmodel....not a real investigator...a Presenter of nonsense lies that were debunked a long time ago. He must have signed the standard contract with WND that is used by actors making commercials. With disclaimers of responsibility for content,
he's just a working slob getting paid to mouth a script.
Or was he Deputized by Shurff Joe, like Jerry Corsi and the other kiddies, to be a member of his posse riding out to get that evil desperado,
Black Barry ?
The birfers are on a vacation from reality, having an extended stay in MakeBelieve Land ...and they may never go back home. This presser was nothing but a video of the fun they are having - they got to play act with a real live Sheriff who let them feed his horses and wear a plastic deputy badge at
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NPR weighs in -
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/201 ... t=1&f=1001

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Arpaio and his lead investigator Mike Zullo posted five videos, explaining their investigation. You can find them at the site of the Western Center for Journalism, but essentially the argument they're making is that the date stamp and the registrar's stamp on Obama's long-form birth certificate were imported from somewhere else. Their proof for that claim? They said the stamps were on different layers on the document and could be moved freely when opened in editing software.

For the record, we opened the file using Adobe Photoshop and found that it contained only a single layer of information.

Zullo makes a similar argument about Obama's selective registration card. This time, he insinuates that the year 1980 in the postmark has been tampered with. He says that since there were no 1980 stamps available currently someone cut a 2008 to show 08 and then flipped it to say 80.



(We wondered, being that the White House is so powerful, if they couldn't just order a custom-made 1980 stamp.)


Re the Selective Service Stamp wasn't that document obtained under an FOIA request direct from the agency concerned anyway? It might more likely be them ordering the custom made 1980 stamp for the forgery, though maybe they didn't have the budget and sought WH input :P


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I am breaking my own "rule" here but I am quoting in entirety an older post in the WND thread by Pat Gund (Happy Birthday!!) about comments Zebest made when she was a PUMA in 2008: (I edited this slightly to make it clear which quotes were from Mara Zebest and add a video link she posted

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Looks like Mara Zebest is a PUMA, posting under the name "mzebest"

PumaPAC, 18 June 2008

Mara Zebest wrote:
#134 mzebest on 06.19.08 at 1:49 pm
"...You Senator Boxer, along with all other Senators in this great country, still have the choice to do the right thing. It’s as simple as saying NO to Obama. It’s as simple as standing behind Senator Clinton. It’s as simple as DOING THE RIGHT THING. The voters will back you up if you choose wisely. We always have a choice. All of us always have a choice. I would like to see our ELECTED officials start to choose wisely and reflect their constituents.

Sincerely,
Mara Zebest"


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Mara Zebest wrote:
"#353 mzebest on 07.25.08 at 4:13 pm

...I am tired of hearing about how Senator Obama attracks record number crowds when the media intentionally continues to fail us on reporting the WHOLE TRUTH (which is that this man is shallow and can’t attract anyone without media marketing).

Again, thank you for not participating in that marketing hype.

Sincerely,
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PumaPAC, 23 August 2008

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#969 mzebest on 08.23.08 at 1:10 am

941 jbjd

What does your post mean? Is there a loop hole that can be exploited to keep Obama off the state ballots?"


Oh look, our old friend jbjd

Mara Zebest wrote:
#1096 mzebest on 08.23.08 at 1:48 am
After watching the voter fraud link and from what I know about ACORN — submitting fraudulent forms for new voter registration — do you realize that with BO’s strategy to acquire and harvest all that personal information (under the pretext of giving the people a first glimpse into his VP pick) — that BO now has a database of personal information he can use to fraudulently fill out voter registration forms with through ACORN? At least that’s my theory of what he might have up his sleeve.


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Mara Zebest wrote:
"mzebest 11.22.08 at 6:02 pm
Another related story to the radio show talk with Kenyan Ambassador

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/ ... -born.html "


Sammie Sewell!

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mzebest 11.22.08 at 8:26 pm
Obama wouldn’t even be allowed to TOUR the White House much less run it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB5H_WRi5Vo


As noted at Rumproast on 28 August 2008, from PumaPAC

Mara Zebest wrote:
"mzebest on 08.28.08 at 12:02 am

#1148 DiscoPuma

“#1114 I AGREE We need a new party.. How about “The Womens Party” They have this in Iceland. Everyone is part of it. Obama is no progressive– on the contrary, he is conservative.”

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I posted this downstairs and want to get it off my chest upstairs too. I have to comment since I feel a need to set the record straight. I’m getting a little tired of Obama being defined as a “progressive” or even as a “liberal.” He is not a progressive (for whatever the h*ll that is supposed to imply)… nor is he a conservative… nor is he a liberal. Obama is a radical and more specifically a marxist. A Black Liberation Theologist Marxist which is even more radical than a regular marxist (if there is such a thing as a more radical marxist). LOL!"


15 July 2008 PUMA "Happy Hour" evite

Oh, and look where else she shows up on 16 January 2009

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"letter from mzebest- telling children not to go to school on the 20th and boycott inauguration, schools will miss on federal dollars
Posted on January 16th, 2009 by David Crockett"

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if the general public took anything at all from joe's presser, i hope they heard these two lines loud and clear:

murka's tuffist shurf wrote:
"Mr. President, please, come up with some other information where you were born. If this isn’t true, the birth certificate,come up with some other information, and then everybody will go away."


murka's tuffist shurf wrote:
"I just would like to see the President, if he can come up with some other documentation to put this to rest."




ah said NOW, boy!

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Since the 'forged Selective Service card' claim was revived yesterday, something important to remember:

Not only was the card produced via a FOIA request and not released by Obama or the White House, but it was produced before the 2008 election.

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Wow, that's a great point. So that means Bush's Executive Branch has to be in on it, too.

IT'S A CONSPIRACY SPANNING DECADES!

Beginning in 1961 with fake birth announcements, the Extremist Muslim Communist Marxist Fascist America-Hating Illuminati Cthulhu Fhtagn Society has worked for 50 years towards one goal - getting an ineligible Barack Obama elected President of the United States, rather than one of millions of other perfectly eligible people they could have trained to be an America Hater.

And boy were they lucky, because Barack Obama was the only guy they were so prepping for the role, so had he been killed years ago, or lost his race for Senate, or lost to John McCain in his run for President, or if even one of the thousands of people who are part of the Conspiracy blabbed, the whole thing would have been dashed to pieces, but thankfully, none of that happened. Yes, the Society is so powerful that they have a stranglehold on the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches across all 50 States, and can cow the entire mainstream media and even the most conservative commentators and legislators out there, but yet somehow can only afford 3rd-rate forgers to make birth certificates. That's right, the Society controls so much and has so much reach, yet never thought anyone would ever ask and therefore, despite planting fake birth announcements 50 years ago, they didn't bother ever making a birth certificate until they had to find a kindergartener to rush and create a forgery right before the 2008 election, and another in 2011.

That's the real scoop, birthers. Your hard and diligent work found us all out.

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Epectitus wrote:
greatkim wrote:
now someone has to explain me this:

why are there so many ITALIANS in the birfer circus:

APUZZO, ARPAIO (the harp maker in Italian), D'ONOFRIO, etc ?

This has always been a deep embarrassment to me, too.


One Fogbower being worth easily a dozen or more birfer morons, I think it's canceled out.

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That's right, the Society controls so much and has so much reach, yet never thought anyone would ever ask and therefore, despite planting fake birth announcements 50 years ago, they didn't bother ever making a birth certificate until they had to find a kindergartener to rush and create a forgery right before the 2008 election, and another in 2011.

That's the real scoop, birthers. Your hard and diligent work found us all out.

Not only that but many of the people implicated in the conspiracy such as Bill Ayers, Frank Marshall Davis, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Debra Bowen, etc ARE Natural Born Citizens, including two that realistically could have been President in 2008. The conspiracy spans decades and goes to a heck of a lot of trouble to gain nothing. I see nothing that the President has done that could not have been done by Hillary Clinton for instance. What does being a usurper gain for the conspiracy, other than (if the birthers are to be believed) giving them a horrible weakness by a magic reset button.

Not only that, but the Conspiracy went to all the trouble of faking birth announcements, grooming Obama to be the future tyrant, and forging two birth certificates, when by the Two Parent Rule which everyone really knows is true, he was ineligible from the beginning. They didn't even bother to forge a birth certificate with Frank Marshall Davis as the father. Instead Obama admitted his guilt by writing a best selling book that the birthers used as "evidence" of him confessing his userperatude. You'd think that if a conspiracy spanning decades had their Manchurian candidate F up like that, they'd have gone with plan B. Instead they went with plan Rube Goldberg, in which they replaced every civics textbook that the birfers learned their Two-Citizen parent rule and then engaged in Justiagate.

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Wow, that's a great point. So that means Bush's Executive Branch has to be in on it, too.

IT'S A CONSPIRACY SPANNING DECADES!

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Not only that, but the Conspiracy went to all the trouble of faking birth announcements, grooming Obama to be the future tyrant,


Do note that in yesterday's Q&A, Arpaio/Zullo didn't allege that the birth announcements were *forged*. They deemed them, and the index data, to be inconclusive proof of a Hawaiian birth.

Having shied away from a 'forgery' allegation, and at least implicitly accepting that the announcements are REAL, then they're at least conceding that the state of Hawaii was aware of Obama's birth no later than August 12, 1961 (in order to make it into the 13th's paper), and that by that same date his birthdate was already established as August 4.

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I don't see why Arpaio's dump is a surprise to anyone. I think at this point he's trying to leverage his position with the DOJ. Now he can claim that the DOJ investigation is just political payback in order to muddy the waters. It's lame, but since the far right is so stupid, it will work for a large percentage of them. I think Arpaio knew what he was going to say months ago. He's just been waiting for the right time to drop this.

He's a real scumbag, but we already knew that.

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Whatever4 wrote:
OK -- here's the masterpiece. http://www.thefogbow.com/arpaio-report/

Need: Edits and additions. Comments. Thanks!


I've got to confess that I'm a little uneasy about the part on the National Archives. I don't see that the absence of the records in the web guide as that conclusive. Most of the posse's case is made up mistakes, distortions and little lies. It seems unlikely to me that they would throw in one big lie about obtaining 10 years records that do not exist. An error in the National Archives' web guide seems more likely to me.


OK, changed to:
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MISLEADING: The National Archives has some records online, but NOT for any of 1961. It's not just that week that's missing, it's the entire decade. Added: Corsi hasn't disclosed any evidence from the National Archives to support his claim.


New stuff being added as it comes up, in lovely red. Check back often -- you may be a winner!

Also -- how's the font/size look? Made it beeeger for the old folks.

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Having shied away from a 'forgery' allegation, and at least implicitly accepting that the announcements are REAL, then they're at least conceding that the state of Hawaii was aware of Obama's birth no later than August 12, 1961 (in order to make it into the 13th's paper), and that by that same date his birthdate was already established as August 4.

Excellent point Loren. They also are very specific as to WHEN the infant Obama supposedly entered the United States of America. They give a range of August 1- August 7 of missing microfilm of the supposed entry records and suggest an exhaustive search of immigration records for at least the month of August and possibly the year surrounding the President's birth.

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Wow. Who in their right left mind would believe that man? And where are the Dem pols loudly denouncing this as an election year stunt, a moral outrage, etc etc etc? Even if it's only theater, it should be called out for what it is.

If anyone on the left had done something like this to Bush you'd have heard the derision from all quarters. Our side? Is that the sound of crickets I hear?

Harrumph.

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