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I see two explanations for the existence of Birfers and Birfistan, both of which might be true for some particular Birfer. In addition, grifting is always a possibility as the sole explanation. These were on display in Shurf Joe's "briefing."

1) Birferism is an attempt to smear President Obama by racists and by people who fear the President's knowing something about the world. A cosmopolitan President is dangerous to their preferred foreign policy and military agenda. Orly is a Birfer for both reasons.

2) Birferism is a manifestation of the dogma that only Republicans should be president. That was Richard Nixon's motive for Watergate: for the good of the country, he had to prevent a Democrat from being elected. Republicans often base this dogma on the statement that only Republicans have and can have a sound security policy. The dogma leads to efforts to smear the President, just as Al Gore and John Kerry were smeared.

The Constitution, laws, and court precedents have never mattered* to Birfers. Only the smears matter. It is irrelevant whether they are true; it is sufficient to make the charges.


* I have wondered whether Leo might be the sole exception. However, I simply cannot figure him out.

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Vid upthread

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We are all outraged and disgusted at this farce, but lets step out of our Obot uniforms for a minute and take a rational look.

Shurif Joe just made a complete and utter fool of himself, (again). “Normal” people are going to look at this and wonder WTF is wrong with that guy. And the answer would be, a lot! Orly has gone on hyper-spin mode and is firing off shit so fast she looks like a video running on FF, but of course she will probably be ignored now that she has been upstaged by WND. (Which by the way will seriously piss her off.)

Any Republican official that does not dismiss this as the lunacy it is will themselves be dismissed as lunatics. But it will also paint a very vivid picture of just how far these RWNJ idiots will go to trash the first black POTUS of this country.

In reality, we’ve got an all around winner here!


^^^^^^^^^^ +1. This press conference was a riot. The MSM and even the White House are making fun of it.

My question is, what can we do to tie Joe Arpaio to Republicans like a witch on a stake?

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I see what you did there BB

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I see two explanations for the existence of Birfers and Birfistan, both of which might be true for some particular Birfer. In addition, grifting is always a possibility as the sole explanation. These were on display in Shurf Joe's "briefing."

1) Birferism is an attempt to smear President Obama by racists and by people who fear the President's knowing something about the world. A cosmopolitan President is dangerous to their preferred foreign policy and military agenda. Orly is a Birfer for both reasons.

2) Birferism is a manifestation of the dogma that only Republicans should be president. That was Richard Nixon's motive for Watergate: for the good of the country, he had to prevent a Democrat from being elected. Republicans often base this dogma on the statement that only Republicans have and can have a sound security policy. The dogma leads to efforts to smear the President, just as Al Gore and John Kerry were smeared.

The Constitution, laws, and court precedents have never mattered* to Birfers. Only the smears matter. It is irrelevant whether they are true; it is sufficient to make the charges.


* I have wondered whether Leo might be the sole exception. However, I simply cannot figure him out.


actually what i'm getting from shurf joe in particular is something more strategic: joe's been taking a lot of heat lately, inside and out arizona. from this point onward, anytime anybody levels something bad at him, joe can just holler "this is payback from my probe. this is another one of obama's flying monkeys doing his bidding." in other words, he can now deflect any criticism or charges onto obama.

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actually what i'm getting from shurf joe in particular is something more strategic: joe's been taking a lot of heat lately, inside and out arizona. from this point onward, anytime anybody levels something bad at him, joe can just holler "this is payback from my probe. this is another one of obama's flying monkeys doing his bidding." in other words, he can now deflect any criticism or charges onto obama.


Well if that's the shit he's flinging, it's only gonna land on all the Rethuglicans.

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Santorum knew about this. IIRC, Joe said he told Santorum what his report revealed.

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actually what i'm getting from shurf joe in particular is something more strategic: joe's been taking a lot of heat lately, inside and out arizona. from this point onward, anytime anybody levels something bad at him, joe can just holler "this is payback from my probe. this is another one of obama's flying monkeys doing his bidding." in other words, he can now deflect any criticism or charges onto obama.

Indeed he will use that as the DoJ continues its investigation, but I think that he is a racist who believes that President Obama has no right to the office. This started his "probe." If the Surprise Tea Party motivated him, this is why he responded as he did.

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From the L.A. Times

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And you thought the “birther” movement was dead.

Not in Arizona, where Phoenix-area Sheriff Joe Arpaio held a news conference Thursday to reveal the preliminary results of an investigation into the authenticity of President Obama’s birth certificate. Obama released the long-form certificate last year in an attempt to quiet critics -- including Donald Trump – who claimed he was born outside the United States and was therefore ineligible to become president.

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The “cold case posse” results were widely mocked on Twitter, and the 90-minute televised announcement of them was perceived by some as pure political theater. There was lots of tech-speak about the birth certificate’s “layers” and whether the use of various kinds of software explained what the posse called “anomalies” in the document.

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The specter of conspiracy was raised repeatedly. The leader of Arpaio’s posse, Mike Zullo, mentioned microfilm that appeared to have vanished and someone who had witnessed something involving Ayers’ mother. (The details were left to viewers’ imaginations.) Zullo also said the team had honed in on a “person of interest” involved in the alleged birth certificate forgery but wouldn't announce who it was.

Even the videos played at the news conference, intended to explain the team’s methodology, were somewhat charged. One explored how to figure out whether a document could be edited and, as an example, showed the word “constitution” being replaced with the word “suggestions” -- which seem to be how some tea party members feel Obama has governed.

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Santorum knew about this. IIRC, Joe said he told Santorum what his report revealed.

Yep. I can't wait to hear Santorum's response when he's questioned on this... :twisted:

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Holy Cow!!

Fox News’ Bret Baier just had a substantial piece on Sherrif Joe and Obama’s fraud LFBC!

He actually spoke the words fraud and Obama in the same sentence, and had a photo of the BC on screen!
The MSM logjam has officially been anhialated,

we all need to crank up the volume and support Orly in any way possible…

:twisted: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=32450 :twisted:

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From CBS News Political Hot Sheet

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The publicity-hungry Arpaio, a strong opponent of illegal immigration who calls himself "America's Toughest Sheriff," said the evidence gathered by his investigators suggests Mr. Obama's birth certificate and selective service registration card are fakes.

"Based on all of the evidence, I cannot in good faith report to you these documents are authentic," Arpaio said at a press conference in Phoenix, adding that his "investigators believe that the long form birth certificate was manufactured electronically and that it did not originate in the paper format as presented by the White House."

The 79-year-old Arpaio, who has been accused by the Justice Department of racial profiling and who is being probed by a federal grand jury over potential abuse of power, said he told his investigators to examine the president's documents with "no preconceived notions," adding that he "felt that this investigation could clear President Obama's name and put people's minds at ease.

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Zullo also said his team came to the conclusion that the Hawaii Department of Health and Hawaiian officials "may have intentionally obscured 1961 birth records and procedures" to keep them from being adequately examined.


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TollandRCR wrote:
aarrgghh wrote:
actually what i'm getting from shurf joe in particular is something more strategic: joe's been taking a lot of heat lately, inside and out arizona. from this point onward, anytime anybody levels something bad at him, joe can just holler "this is payback from my probe. this is another one of obama's flying monkeys doing his bidding." in other words, he can now deflect any criticism or charges onto obama.

Indeed he will use that as the DoJ continues its investigation, but I think that he is a racist who believes that President Obama has no right to the office. This started his "probe." If the Surprise Tea Party motivated him, this is why he responded as he did.


no argument from me that shurf joe's a racist dirtbag. but like most of the prominent birfers, his birfing seems to be satisfying a specific personal agenda.

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Did Joe's "lead investigator" really say this? I've not yet watched the whole vid, but Kos sez,

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1:23 PM PT (kos): Get this, Arpaio's "lead investigator" answered a question about Obama's American mother by saying, "That's a Second Amendment issue and I'm not going to get into it."


2nd amendment? Huh, WTF?

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Yes. He said that, but I think he meant Article II issue, meaning he wasn't going to go into the 2-citizen parent nonsense.


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From CBS News Political Hot Sheet

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The publicity-hungry Arpaio, a strong opponent of illegal immigration who calls himself "America's Toughest Sheriff," said the evidence gathered by his investigators suggests Mr. Obama's birth certificate and selective service registration card are fakes.

"Based on all of the evidence, I cannot in good faith report to you these documents are authentic," Arpaio said at a press conference in Phoenix, adding that his "investigators believe that the long form birth certificate was manufactured electronically and that it did not originate in the paper format as presented by the White House."FIFT

The 79-year-old Arpaio, who has been accused by the Justice Department of racial profiling and who is being probed by a federal grand jury over potential abuse of power, said he told his investigators to examine the president's documents with "no preconceived notions," adding that he "felt that this investigation could clear President Obama's name and put people's minds at ease.

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Zullo also said his team came to the conclusion that the Hawaii Department of Health and Hawaiian officials "may have intentionally obscured 1961 birth records and procedures" to keep them from being adequately examined.


As always... more at the link

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• Records of Immigration and Naturalization Service cards filled out by airplane passengers arriving on international flights originating outside the United States in the month of August 1961,examined at the National Archives in Washington, D.C., are missing records for the week of President Obama's birth, including the dates Aug. 1, 1961 through Aug. 7, 1961.


Not only that, I'm pretty sure they are missing records for all the entire year of 1961, as well as all years since then, and the years 1960, 1959, and 1958:

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Just been over at Docs on this post.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/03/ ... ent-160913

Perhaps this is a discussion that has already been had here and I missed it but why is BHO's signature dated July 30, 1980 and the Post Office stamp is one day earlier?

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Not only that, I'm pretty sure they are missing records for all the entire year of 1961, as well as all years since then, and the years 1960, 1959, and 1958:

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Oooooh, nice find, CB!

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Arizona Star: Sheriff Arpaio puts spotlight on Arizona
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Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Arizona, announced Thursday that his six-month investigation into the authenticity of President Obama's birth certificate had found that "stunts like this one today are ineffective at diverting media attention away from the Justice Department’s charges of racial profiling leveled at me. No matter what crazy nonsense I spew you won't stop covering the federal grand jury probes over potential abuses of power that I’m facing. As far as you're concerned the fact the President is a time traveler with Voo Doo powers doesn’t appear to a hold a candle to the criticism I’m getting for inadequately investigating hundreds of sex crimes cases. You media dupes are hopeless."

The press corps watched as he crumpled up a copy of Obama’s birth certificate with the words “FAKE” written across it with a red Crayola and threw it on the ground.

Arpaio said under his breath, ”I can tell this is going nowhere.” The Sheriff stared at his watch for along while and then said,” Come back next week! I’ll show you alien bodies from a UFO that crashed in Apache Junction. It looks to be from Kenya. It’ll blow your socks off.”

When the press conference ended and it came time for questions Arpaio was alone in the room.

This is satire.

Klayman, et al.: Read that last sentence again.

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Just been over at Docs on this post.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/03/ ... ent-160913

Perhaps this is a discussion that has already been had here and I missed it but why is BHO's signature dated July 30, 1980 and the Post Office stamp is one day earlier?


A teenager signing something forgot what day it was?

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If this fiasco accomplished one thing, it's that I'm probably going to give in and buy the "Where's the REAL Birth Certificate" e-book. Just to see how much of Arpaio's "report" was copied from it. Zullo or Arpaio expressly claimed towards the end that their evidence hadn't been seen anywhere before, and I can't show just HOW false that is without the book.


Don't give that ass any more royalty money. Libraries are your friend - http://www.worldcat.org/title/wheres-th ... /698332449

A surprising number of libraries have this book - do you think Corsi/Farah sent around free copies? I can't imagine librarians really selecting this book in tight budget times.


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Litlebritdifrnt2 wrote:
Just been over at Docs on this post.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/03/ ... ent-160913

Perhaps this is a discussion that has already been had here and I missed it but why is BHO's signature dated July 30, 1980 and the Post Office stamp is one day earlier?


A teenager signing something forgot what day it was?


That is what I figured Mike but just wanted to make sure it hadn't been gone over here before. Sheesh, you'd have thunk that the Posse would have noticed that.

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What ? - have you never been in an office when a clerk forgot to change the date stamp in the morning?

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