Sheriff Joe's Cold Case Posse Reports

A Legal Lohengrin · **Joined:** Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:56 pm **Posts:** 9369

wavey davey wrote:

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"We were fortunate enough to work with HPD (Honolulu Police Department), where they changed our names in the hotel registry so they couldn't find us," Zullo said.

"That was enemy territory as far as we were concerned."

Potential threats? Enemy territory? Really?

This guy certainly has a rich fantasy life. Talk about a Walter Mitty.

Loren · **Joined:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:20 pm **Posts:** 3897

jtmunkus wrote:

This is the new Corsi line of attack. "We went to the seediest places on the island where the 'natives' told us ghetto stories about Barack I & Ann and her parents (they associated with Commies and 'multiculturals'!);

This reminds me of something. Remember how I showed that Freeper FARS was partly responsible for creating the 'Born in Kenya' rumor back in 2008? Well, when the rumor finally hit the big time and the COLB was released, FARS tried creating further rumors to explain away the COLB.

June 15, 2008:

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As you know, there are several doubts about his being born in the USA, including his Kenyan grandma’s insistence he was born over there.

And flaws with the birth certificate. IncludIng perhaps the certificate being dated four days after his given birth date.

Easily explainable but which also corresponds to what I had heard that he was born in Kenya because mother could not board a flight in her late stage of pregnancy and had to wait till he was born then flew into Hawaii and registered him as born there. Truthfully giving his real date of birth but fudging the rest.

Explains, perhaps, why she was apparently,in a seedy hotel at the time. Immediately after her arrival? Why not at her parents’ home?

July 5, 2008:

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Mombassa - rumor? Obama’s Kenyan family, who were there - adamantly insist he was born in Kenya.

What I heard is that his mother was in Kenya and waited too long to board a flight and was refused at her late stage of pregnancy.

Airlines do not like babies being born on their flights and ban pregnant women from boarding after the seventh month or thereabouts (if I remember the cut-off deadline correctly).

She had the baby and immediately flew to Hawaii and applied for a late registration birth certificate, giving her address as a seedy hotel.

The newspaper announcements were found shortly thereafter, giving a home address, and FARS promptly dropped this "seedy hotel" rumor.

Notice, too, that FARS was really pushing the rumor that Obama's Kenyan family members, including the grandmother, were vouching for his birth there. In *summer* 2008. Months *before* the McRae call. He and Alan Peters made that up, and I think the 'family members say so' rumor was what eventually led to the McRae call, and thus the Birthers creating evidence to justify their own rumors.

Whatever4 · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:28 pm

Interesting... does FARS have a presence on FR? Could he be a political operative?

jtmunkus · **Joined:** Mon May 23, 2011 7:33 pm **Posts:** 3498

Whatever4 wrote:

Interesting... does FARS have a presence on FR? Could he be a political operative?

I'm not going to be a bit surprised if one of these SuperPACs throws some real money at the birthers, CCP, Orly - all of 'em.

PatGund · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:33 pm

kate520 wrote:

What, like Stitch?

*SNORK*

(As my avatar shows, I'm rather partial to Experiment 626......)

kate520 · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:50 pm

I thought of you as I posted. :mrgreen:

Mr. Gneiss · **Joined:** Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:37 am **Posts:** 566

As I recall, Zullo and Corsi as CCP Lead Investigator and Master Puppeteer (otherwise known as LIMP) were not permitted to carry in Hawai'i and that was the reason for Deputy Dawg to tag along. That leaves the impression that the good deputy was permitted to carry a gun. Does this mesh with reality? Does Hawai'i permit officers in foreign jurisdictions to carry while on vacation official business? Or did LIMP fudge some facts to HPD that it was an official investigation by shurf Joe?

It would seem that if the CCP is entirely funded by donations, they could just as easily hired some local talent to act as security; not to mention that the locals would know how to get around the seedier parts of central Oahu. Why spend $10,000 to have Deputy Dawg escort them when they could have had The Dog! Hell, with a little forethought, Corsi could have had his red monkey butt on an A&E episode of The Bounty Hunter.

None of this adds up...yeah, yeah I know, what a surprise!

Loren · **Joined:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:20 pm **Posts:** 3897

Whatever4 wrote:

Interesting... does FARS have a presence on FR? Could he be a political operative?

FARS is a close friend/associate of Alan Peters, and may actually be the same person. And Peters is reportedly "a U.K.-based, elderly, possibly half-Iranian British gent who lived in Iran for many years and is married to an Iranian." Based on my own research, he's currently an old dude living in the Orange County area. As the Forbes writer notes, he may have had political connections at one time, but nowadays he's a crank, and one of the most virulently anti-Muslim bloggers this side of Pam Geller.

GreatGrey · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:05 pm

ZorbasLeGreque wrote:

The Deputy-Sheriff may have connected the ColdFeetPosse to the Honolu Police. It is not unheard of that police helps - unofficially - other police. And given the words that fell lately during a visit of POTUS in the Carolinas there may be police even in Hawaii hostile to him.

I don't think it went down that way. I'm of the belief they were 'monitored'.

Chilidog · **Joined:** Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:36 pm **Posts:** 1966

Obviously, since they could have hired a local security guard for a lot less than 10K, it was more than a gun the deputy was providing, it was the uniform as well.

Who was the deputy? No one has looked into this that I know of. What did he (or she?) have to do to rate such a plumb assignment?

MaineSkeptic · **Joined:** Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:48 pm **Posts:** 5295

Chilidog wrote:

What did he (or she?) have to do to rate such a plumb assignment?

Those are usually reserved for the most upright members of the team.

Suranis · **Joined:** Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:04 am **Posts:** 5251

I think hey expected the Hawaii DOH to crap their pants when one of Arpaio's toughs walked in yelling "MARIPOSA COUNTY SHERRIF'S DEPARTMENT! HAND IT OVER!" just like they would do in Arpaio's riechland. Instead they got shown the door and a police escort for their "protection"

SueDB · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:49 pm

I would think that the carry of a pistol would have to be coordinated with the HPD beforehand and special transportation via the airline for the weapon. AFAIK, you just don't bring a gun into HI with the intent to use it (wear it for intimidation) and not tell the cops or have some OFFICIAL coordination.

Mr. Gneiss · **Joined:** Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:37 am **Posts:** 566

Chilidog wrote:

Obviously, since they could have hired a local security guard for a lot less than 10K, it was more than a gun the deputy was providing, it was the uniform as well.

Who was the deputy? No one has looked into this that I know of. What did he (or she?) have to do to rate such a plumb assignment?

Realist posted earlier in this thread the Deputy Dawg that went to Hawai'i.

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=7215&hilit=Deputy&start=1775#p378943

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Not to be outdone by the Arizona secretary of state’s recent flirtation with birtherism, Sheriff Joe Arpaio escalated his probe into President Obama’s birth certificate this weekby dispatching a deputy from his “threats unit” to Hawaii.
Both the Arizona Republic and the Honolulu Star-Advertiser reported deputy Brian Mackiewcz traveled with Arpaio’s volunteer posse member Michael Zullo on Monday to try to get an official confirmation that Hawaii has the president’s birth certificate on file.

raicha · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:36 pm

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Licenses to carry
Reference: §HRS 134-9

No person shall carry concealed or unconcealed on the person a pistol or revolver without being licensed to do so under this section or compliance with section 134-5(c) or 134-6.

Note: There is no compact agreement between Hawaii and other states that would permit police officers on official assignment in Hawaii to be armed and exempt from the provisions of the Hawaii Revised Statutes relating to firearms.

Source: Honolulu Police Department

Edit: 134-5(c) applies to hunting:

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(c) A person may carry unconcealed and use a lawfully acquired pistol or revolver while actually engaged in hunting game mammals, if that pistol or revolver and its suitable ammunition are acceptable for hunting by rules adopted pursuant to section 183D-3 and if that person is licensed pursuant to part II of chapter 183D. The pistol or revolver may be transported in an enclosed container, as defined in section 134-25 in the course of going to and from the place of the hunt, notwithstanding section 134-26. [L 1988, c 275, pt of §2; am L 1997, c 254, §§1, 4; am L 2000, c 96, §1; am L 2002, c 79, §1; am L 2006, c 66, §2]

134-6 is repealed

134-9 sets out the licensing requirements:

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§134-9 Licenses to carry. (a) In an exceptional case, when an applicant shows reason to fear injury to the applicant's person or property, the chief of police of the appropriate county may grant a license to an applicant who is a citizen of the United States of the age of twenty-one years or more or to a duly accredited official representative of a foreign nation of the age of twenty-one years or more to carry a pistol or revolver and ammunition therefor concealed on the person within the county where the license is granted. Where the urgency or the need has been sufficiently indicated, the respective chief of police may grant to an applicant of good moral character who is a citizen of the United States of the age of twenty-one years or more, is engaged in the protection of life and property, and is not prohibited under section 134-7 from the ownership or possession of a firearm, a license to carry a pistol or revolver and ammunition therefor unconcealed on the person within the county where the license is granted. The chief of police of the appropriate county, or the chief's designated representative, shall perform an inquiry on an applicant by using the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, to include a check of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement databases where the applicant is not a citizen of the United States, before any determination to grant a license is made. Unless renewed, the license shall expire one year from the date of issue.
(b) The chief of police of each county shall adopt procedures to require that any person granted a license to carry a concealed weapon on the person shall:
(1) Be qualified to use the firearm in a safe manner;

(2) Appear to be a suitable person to be so licensed;

(3) Not be prohibited under section 134-7 from the ownership or possession of a firearm; and

(4) Not have been adjudged insane or not appear to be mentally deranged.

(c) No person shall carry concealed or unconcealed on the person a pistol or revolver without being licensed to do so under this section or in compliance with sections 134-5(c) or 134-25.

(d) A fee of $10 shall be charged for each license and shall be deposited in the treasury of the county in which the license is granted. [L 1988, c 275, pt of §2; am L 1994, c 204, §8; am L 1997, c 254, §§2, 4; am L 2000, c 96, §1; am L 2002, c 79, §1; am L 2006, c 27, §3 and c 66, §3; am L 2007, c 9, §8]

Chilidog · **Joined:** Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:36 pm **Posts:** 1966

MaineSkeptic wrote:

Chilidog wrote:

What did he (or she?) have to do to rate such a plumb assignment?

Those are usually reserved for the most upright members of the team.

So, did they all stand in circle to get picked?

MaineSkeptic · **Joined:** Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:48 pm **Posts:** 5295

Chilidog wrote:

MaineSkeptic wrote:

Chilidog wrote:

What did he (or she?) have to do to rate such a plumb assignment?

Those are usually reserved for the most upright members of the team.

So, did they all stand in circle to get picked?

I suppose so, with the call made by PlumbBob T-SquarePants.

SueDB · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:48 pm

raicha wrote:

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Licenses to carry
Reference: §HRS 134-9

No person shall carry concealed or unconcealed on the person a pistol or revolver without being licensed to do so under this section or compliance with section 134-5(c) or 134-6.

Note: There is no compact agreement between Hawaii and other states that would permit police officers on official assignment in Hawaii to be armed and exempt from the provisions of the Hawaii Revised Statutes relating to firearms.

Source: Honolulu Police Department
Remove edit - you can read it above...

It doesn't look like there is any provision for the possession of a pistol by out of state LEA (other than Federal) folks. Federal officers follow their own laws/rules.

So...why did Shuff Jose sent that guy again????

raicha · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:55 pm

SueDB wrote:

It doesn't look like there is any provision for the possession of a pistol by out of state LEA (other than Federal) folks. Federal officers follow their own laws/rules.

So...why did Shuff Jose sent that guy again????

The out-of-state LEO could apply for a permit but would need to show the police chief that he is protecting someone with a reasonable fear of harm.

Now, do we believe that the posse even attempted that? Do we believe that if they did, that the Honolulu police chief agreed that they had a "reasonable fear"? Based on what?

If the deputy didn't have a carry permit, then how was he going to protect the posse? Or was this really about having someone in a uniform running around the island intimidating potential "witnesses"?

A Legal Lohengrin · **Joined:** Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:56 pm **Posts:** 9369

raicha wrote:

If the deputy didn't have a carry permit, then how was he going to protect the posse? Or was this really about having someone in a uniform running around the island intimidating potential "witnesses"?

I believe that as with other times Joe has pulled stunts like this, it was to convey the false impression there was some kind of legitimate investigation involving a real case.

Much like the unscrupulous debt collectors who create documents that look like legitimate orders from a court, I believe this conduct should be considered criminal.

SueDB · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:00 pm

raicha wrote:

SueDB wrote:

It doesn't look like there is any provision for the possession of a pistol by out of state LEA (other than Federal) folks. Federal officers follow their own laws/rules.

So...why did Shuff Jose sent that guy again????

The out-of-state LEO could apply for a permit but would need to show the police chief that he is protecting someone with a reasonable fear of harm.

Now, do we believe that the posse even attempted that? Do we believe that if they did, that the Honolulu police chief agreed that they had a "reasonable fear"? Based on what?

If the deputy didn't have a carry permit, then how was he going to protect the posse? Or was this really about having someone in a uniform running around the island intimidating potential "witnesses"?

The presence of the pistol would generate official paperwork between the MCSO and the authorities in Hawaii. There will be a paper trail on something like this. It should be discoverable as a letter in the files of the MCSO plus the acknowledgement and grant of permission received back from a proper LEA to LEA request.

Edit: I tend to fall on the side of deliberate intimidation of potential witnesses.

lyssandri · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:06 pm

bob wrote:

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[Supervisors] Stapley and Wilcox [who voted against reimbursement], who have filed legal claims against Arpaio and former County Attorney Andrew Thomas over previous grievances, agreed with Parraz and other activists. Stapley said the board's acceptance of private funds would cover up what he believes was misspending of taxpayer funds for the Obama investigation.

[...]

The supervisors asked county budget staff to provide them a report of the sheriff's expenses for the investigation.

Good for them, and very astute

Mr. Gneiss · **Joined:** Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:37 am **Posts:** 566

Raicha,

Thanks for posting the statutes. My memory is a bit fuzzy, but I seem to recall some discussion that the CCP & Dep. Dawg had some initial issues with HPD that were eventually worked out.

Edit: Posted below

SueDB · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:11 pm

Mr. Gneiss wrote:

Raicha,

Thanks for posting the statutes. My memory is a bit fuzzy, but I seem to recall some discussion that the CCP & Dep. Dawg had some initial issues with HPD that were eventually worked out.

I wonder if they even bothered to notify the Hawaii LEAs that they were going to play in their playpen? I wonder how old Shuff Jose would react if someone showed up in his jurisdiction making crazy statements and demands???

raicha · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:20 pm

Mr. Gneiss wrote:

Raicha,

Thanks for posting the statutes. My memory is a bit fuzzy, but I seem to recall some discussion that the CCP & Dep. Dawg had some initial issues with HPD that were eventually worked out.

So far, I haven't seen a statement that the AZ deputy was actually granted a carry permit. The extent of the "cooperation" is purposely vague.

I'm wondering if information regarding applications for permits is available to the public in Honolulu. While the details of the "reasonable fear" might be kept confidential, the fact of the issuance of a carry permit to a particular applicant (or class of applicant such as LEO) might be available.

Counties in Hawaii are required to submit a monthly report with permit statistics to the Hawaii AG. I'm poking about for more info...

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