The astounding news that Orly wouldn't allow to be presented: that Susan Daniels has a microfiche record that shows that Obama's MA drivers license is associated with his alleged CT SSN.

Astounding.

It's at the 8:00 mark on the first video.

Thanks, AnitaMaria and jt. Definitely would not have been worth wading through the dreck.

Crap -- another reason why Barack Obama is ineligible. He once held a Massachusetts driver's license. When I was at HLS I kept my California driver's license, so I guess I'm eligible.

Thank Jeebus.

Here's a possible explanation about why Susan Daniels, PI, thinks this is astounding: she's a shitty PI.

MA used to give people the option of using their SSN as their driver license number. (They don't any more.) Obama must have chosen to use his SSN for his DL number when he was at Harvard. When Susan Daniels saw that his DL number was the same as his SSN, she probably jumped to the conclusion that the DL had been faked by somebody too stupid to come up with an actual DL number for Obama.

I don't know why Orly did not allow her to present this evidence in court, but I am absolutely sure that it is not because Orly knew that MA once allowed SSN to be used as DL numbers. All of Orly's crazy theories have reasonable explanations and she always chooses to believe outlandish conspiracies rather than logical and likely explanations.

Some state that I once lived in -- GA or VA, maybe, or maybe AL -- used the Social Security number as the drivers's license number. Hell, up until a few years ago, I'd sometimes see them printed on people's checks.

Virginia sure did, until pretty recently. (I didn't hate it; at least I had it memorized.)

So the documents she procured demonstrate a clear connection between Obama and...Obama.

Does this mean that in this specific instance, Orly was actually the *smart* one for realizing that this did not, in any way, HELP their argument?

No. Orly knew that she could not present Susan's testimony to the judge because she did not have a signed and notarized affidavit from Susan attesting to the veracity of the finding. She therefore could not bring it up on direct examination because it would not have been properly authenticated. That's how the rules of evidence work under Orlylaw, yes?

My GA driver's license had my SSN on it. Everybody's used to unless they kicked up a fuss about it, but until identity theft became so common nobody much did, I don't think. Even my Georgia State University ID had my SSN on it (it was my student ID no.) and my bank automatically printed SSNs on checks too.

When I was a brand new paralegal in Atlanta back in the day, my first boss was one of those people who refused to use his SSN on anything except his tax returns. He told me there was no law requiring it for a driver's license or any other form of ID and that it was nobody's business what his SSN was. At the time I just thought he was eccentric, but it turns out he was way ahead of the curve on that. In GA he was anyway.

I went into the Army in 1972 and was assigned a "service number" - my social security number. When I got out at 20 my SSN was STILL my service number, but not only that - my SSN is my VA number.

The Law Dogs were recommending putting your SS number etched into everything valuable you own until fairly recently. It is so stolen property can be uniquely identified (return to owner or She riff's Auction).

Terry Lakin's service number IS his social security number. The medical system used to add a 2 number prefix depending on whether you were the sponsor or one of the dependents. (20-XXX XX XXX was sponsor, 30- was spouse, then 01, 02, 03, 04 children in their birth order 01 - firstborn.

The Dept of Defense is damn lucky neither Jim Bob nor Michelle Duggar was ever in the military. It would probably cost millions to replace the two digit prefix with a three digit one.

Come on It goes up to 19...

I am almost identical in age to the President. When I was in college, the professors used to post test scores, grades, etc. using your SSN. They would be printed out on those continuous green and white computer printer paper and taped to the wall outside the classroom.

I know of a few Irish Catholic families with more kids than that.

My pilot license number was the same as my SS number. I had that changed. It was easy to do via the internet. Unce upon a time my drivers license had my SS number on it, but that has since been taken off. I can go to a web page of my old military unit and find archives of military orders, complete with everyone's SS numbers listed. Many of those people are long-gone dead. Those SS numbers are still out there.

When I moved into my house, the city wanted my SS number for my water bill purposes. I put my foot down at that point and got bull-headed. They insisted. I merely made up a number in my head and gave that to them.

I still have my SS card that was issued in 1965. It plainly has printed on it: "For Social Security and tax purpose only. Not for identification."

I didn't realize Mass. was one of the states that allowed disclosure of driver's license information. Huh.

Heh, heh, those fools at the Massachusetts DMV didn't even realize they gave him a drivers license with a stolen Social Security number that never was assigned according to eVerify and SSNVS.

I listened to that part of the video and she didn't say she obtained the list directly from Massachusetts. She said "I was able to obtain..". Maybe at one time they gave them out and she got a copy from another source like another PI. Susan Daniels is really scum. She should lose her license over this smear job she has done.

Sounds like a euphemism for "I stole. . ."

Maybe there is a black market for such information?

You used to be able to get drivers license info from sites like Nexis. But after 9-11, states really clamped down on the kind of information they'd allow to be released like that. Florida used to be one of the most open states in the union, not so much anymore.

Still, I don't recall SSNs being included in the information that was released.

I'm sure there are databases that PIs use to get this sort of stuff. And I'm also certain that using it in the manner in which Daniels is violates the TOS of the database service.

I found that in 2004 an anti-terrorism law made it illegal for states to put SS#'s on drivers licenses.

http://www.ssa.gov/legislation/legis_bu ... 10705.html


By inference it was legal until that time. I know my state changed back in the 80's or 90's and began using unique numbers instead of SS#.