BS: IS THE STATE SEAL EMBOSSED OR DEBOSSED?

Dean has still a life after his exitus from birfing (NADT) ? Hmm -- an afterbirther

So how does that compare with the President's COLB and LFBC. Dean seems to be saying on the Sunahara BC the seal is "debosssed" and applied on the back side of the paper. Has Butterdizzly weighed in?

Fake Birther Summit huckster Dean Haskins has transcripts of the Sunahara v. Hawai'i DOH hearing on his fraudulent Birther Summit website:

http://www.birthersummit.org/news/91-br ... issed.html

At the top of each page there is printed "PERMISSION TO COPY DENIED, HRS 606.13, etc.

I notice that the first day of the aborted birther summit was to be 28 March. That's Wong Kim Ark day. Wong wins yet again!

Which was why all the HI transcripts at Jack's were locked, downloading disabled, copy and paste disabled, printing disabled, etc.

Perfect!

http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2012/0 ... ment-55869

kiss that money goodbye.

Poor NNN, she obviously went to the website, noticed there was not time or date given, but did not bother to read the posting that the big birtherpalooza summit was "postponed indefinitely." Typical birther "research."

How do these people dress themselves?

How do they go to the restroom without soiling themselves?

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Birfers should sign up a great new sponsor for their Web sites: Depends. The market would be a high percentage of the audience.

Nice going, Haskins.

Don't have what it takes to email all eight paid guests - including the Neckless One - to let 'em know to cancel their flights and hotels, and that you'd spent their money on your Honolulu Miki Booth extravaganza?

I'm reminded why I believe that you're a first-rate scumsucker.

on a Doc C blog I told Haskins "...his Sunahara will case die. Guaranteed! "
his reponse:
"Please provide me with your email address so I can gloat when you’re shown to be woefully deficient in your understanding (and in your ability to prophesy)."
I didn't get a "gloat" from him on my correct prophesy!

Rocky - the case isn't over yet. If Haskins has any more money he can waste it on an appeal.

In some alternate universe, my doppelganger is driving north to attend the massive rally tomorrow ...

Happy Wong Kim Ark Day everyone!

When the Dumbit was originally announced, I honestly thought that today we would be arguing over whether there was 1 dozen or 2 dozen people in attendance.

Shirley Haskins is just trying to emulate the success of the Empty Chair^TM. See, with the Empty Mall, the birthers have won!

And they didn't have to agree on a pesky Articles of Self-Contradiction, while still pretending to respect Orly Taitz!

I believe I've been saying since pretty early on that it was never going to happen, at all, and that it was a complete fraud.

That's what I asked in the post that started this thread. The time seems appropriate for a post-mortem.

On August 1, online registration began for the Summit. The registration fee for the rally (and, based on the wording, ONLY the rally) was $39. Senior citizens were to get a discount off that, and they make up, like, half of the Birther population.

The event details that were eventually offered were as follows:



The Event Details page said, and still says, "As specific locations and times for the Birther Summit events are determined, they will be posted here." Such specific locations and times were never posted. And finally, on February 21, 2012, it was announced that the Summit was "postponed indefinitely." This was over five months after its announcement, and just five WEEKS before it was to take place. Which tends to suggest that times and locations were never actually set.

Not that that itinerary seems to include an awful lot. There's an invite-only conference that was not open to the public. There's a rally and march. And then there's a day when they just walk around to Congressional offices and harass the staff. That's pretty light for a "summit."

Which makes it more inexplicable when Haskins said "an extensive analysis was done to determine what it would take, financially and logistically, for an event like this to have any chance at success; and, the overall capital required was estimated to be in the neighborhood of $800,000."

$800,000.

And that he was positing that the rally would attract "at least 15,000 attendees." That his $39 rally would attract OVER 300 TIMES the number of attendees at Phil Berg's free rally. (And did he plan to fence off the rally to prevent freeloaders? How else could there be a "rally entrance"?)

Even if you ignore the improbability of either of those numbers (and they are both HIGHLY improbable), they don't even agree with each other. 15,000 rally attendees at $39 each is $585,000. To collect 800 grand would require over 20,500 full-price-paying attendees. What kind of "extensive analysis" creates a business plan with a $200,000 deficit?

Even if the numbers were sincerely believed at first, it would be ridiculous for Dean not to realize that they were realistic until mid-February. He'd said there would be "Birther Summit memorabilia." That kind of stuff needs to be printed and produced, and not all at the last minute. Rally and march permits need to be procured. And it would be irrational to expect 14,000+ last-minute signups. But the site kept taking $39 non-refundable fees until February 21.

I think Loh, above, is right. The lack of serious calculation doesn't do much to support that this was ever actually going to happen. Nor does the complete lack of any specifics. Or any evidence that anything substantive was ever done on arranging the Summit, or any money that was ever spent. All this ever was was a website, some banner ads, and an actual banner. Oh, and some undisclosed amount of non-refunded $39 registration fees. So in the end, everyone loses...except, conveniently, the guy behind it all.

I too was convinced from the first that the Summit would never take place, but I thought it to be a typical birther delusion on the part of poor Deano, who struck me as conspicuously dull among a dull bunch. I never thought of it as a deliberate scam. Dean didn't, in my opinion, have nearly the competence required even to dream up such a thing.

But that was in the puerile "Fogblow" phase. My opinion of him changed very suddenly, when he first turned against Orly -- and began writing anti-Taitzian diatribes that, while no paragons of rationality, far exceeded the competence level that I had pegged him with.

Now I don't know what to think.

To be fair to Dean, I don't really think it was an active fraud in the same way that I tend to think of WND's 'rewards,' wherein they took in money that they knew darn well they were never going to give away. I don't think of Dean having set out to be a con-artist, in other words.

It's more like I think the summit 'was never going to happen' from a practical standpoint. Even if the intent wasn't insincere, the whole thing appears to have been so poorly organized and executed that it's hard to imagine that anything ever WOULD transpire. It was just doomed to fall apart out of sheer ineptitude. Or, at most, end up like Berg's effort, with a rally that was, numbers-wise, barely distinguishable from a tour group.

That's just how I see it -- coupled with the fact that Deano had abysmal people skills and showed no possibility of being able to bind together any kind of alliance.