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"Rugby football is a game I can't claim absolutely to understand in all its niceties, if you know what I mean. I can follow the broad, general principles, of course. I mean to say, I know that the main scheme is to work the ball down the field somehow and deposit it over the line at the other end and that, in order to squalch this programme, each side is allowed to put in a certain amount of assault and battery and do things to its fellow man which, if done elsewhere, would result in 14 days without the option, coupled with some strong remarks from the Bench." - P. G. Wodehouse Very Good, Jeeves (1930)

"A major rugby tour by the British Isles to New Zealand is a cross between a medieval crusade and a prep school outing."

"The job of Welsh coach is like a minor part in a Quentin Tarantino film: you stagger on, you hallucinate, nobody seems to understand a word you say, you throw up, you get shot."

Summing up during the "Dolphin hooks penis round man's leg" indecent sexual act court case: "Men do not greet one another like this ... except perhaps at rugby club dinners." - Alan Cooper Defence Counsel (1991)

"Rugby is a game for the mentally deficient... That is why it was invented by the British. Who else but an Englishman could invent an oval ball?" - Peter Pook

"Rugby is played by men with odd shaped balls." - Car bumper sticker

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"Rugby is a game for hooligans played by gentlemen, soccer is a game for gentlemen played by hooligans"

"Rugby, no helmets, no padding, just balls" - by coincidence I'm wearing a Tshirt with that on now"

"First law of Rugby - get your retaliation in first!"

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The Haskins v Taitz feud is heating up.

GEORGIA HEARINGS – TWO OUT OF THREE AIN'T BAD

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"Just as we witnessed internet postings falsely proclaiming that many individuals had been “subpoenaed” or “ordered by a judge” to appear in Atlanta, as well as repeated claims of there being a “trial” (instead of what they were—administrative hearings), that same kind of self-serving, inaccurate headline-manufacturing has resulted in claims that a “judge has ordered that Obama will not appear on the Georgia ballot.” Folks, not only has that not happened, Judge Malihi will not be issuing any such “order.” He will only be issuing a recommendation to Secretary of State Kemp, who will ultimately decide."


Something that Dr. Orly AND her supporters - indeed, most of birtherstan - were told repeatedly.

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"At this point in the proceedings, and in light of the basis of much of the third case, I believe an attorney who either understood the law, or who had an actual interest in succeeding with that case, would have at least voiced an objection to attorney Irion's stipulation of the birth certificate, even if, for no other reason, than to have the objection entered into the record. However, the third attorney made no such objection."


More than likely because Dr. Orly wasn't paying the slightest amount of attention to the other two attorneys, which she more than likely saw as interlopers on Her Day In The Spotlight,

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"Now, before proceeding with my report, let me say that, before Thursday, I had never personally met Orly Taitz. After she entered the courtroom, she approached the Media area, where I was standing with our live streaming equipment, and she asked, “Are you Dean Haskins?” I extended my hand and said, “Yes, how are you doing, Orly?” Without reciprocating the handshake, she stated, “I think it is about time for an apology,” to which I replied, “You can apologize to me anytime you want.” Through clenched teeth, Orly quietly seethed, “You're a piece of sh*t. You shouldn't even be here.” Classy."


Why is this a surprise? Anyone who's been watching the birthers for even a quarter of the time I have knows that Dr. Orly Taitz is petty, vindictive, paranoid, arrogant, mind-numbingly egocentric, and, quite frankly, bitchy. She has two types of people in her life - useful and enemies. Dean Haskins stopped being useful and is now an enemy in her eyes.

And I strongly suspect that Dr. Orly thought that Hatfield and Van Irion shouldn't have been there either.

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"When I see us publicly lauding disgraceful behavior, and honoring deception, then I fear we have lost our way in what we are doing. Such blanket approval of that is indicative of abject hatred overruling thoughtful objectivity. If we are willing to disregard truth and decency in our quest toward a goal, then we should re-examine our motivation for that goal."


The irony in this one paragraph is simply amazing. I cannot think of a time since I started writing about the "Cult of the COLB in Summer of 2008 that the birthers have NOT been lauding disgraceful behavior, honoring deception, showing blanket approval of abject hatred, ignoring objectivity, and disregarding truth and decency.

You can't condemn Dr. Orly for this behavior when your entire movement is based upon that very same behavior.

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Before sending me any hate emails like the ones I've already received, there are now ground rules involved. You must include this statement: “I, (state your name), declare under penalty of perjury, that I have read this conclusion at least three times.”

By what legal authority can Haskins penalize anybody with a perjury charge?

More self-important wannabe fail.

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"When I see us publicly lauding disgraceful behavior, and honoring deception, then I fear we have lost our way in what we are doing. Such blanket approval of that is indicative of abject hatred overruling thoughtful objectivity. If we are willing to disregard truth and decency in our quest toward a goal, then we should re-examine our motivation for that goal."


The irony in this one paragraph is simply amazing. I cannot think of a time since I started writing about the "Cult of the COLB in Summer of 2008 that the birthers have NOT been lauding disgraceful behavior, honoring deception, showing blanket approval of abject hatred, ignoring objectivity, and disregarding truth and decency.

You can't condemn Dr. Orly for this behavior when your entire movement is based upon that very same behavior.


Let's not forget that this is coming from the same Dean Haskins who was involved in setting up the Sunahara case. For those who have forgotten, that's the case where a the family of an infant who was born on the same day as Obama and died a day later was pestered by birthers. That's the same case where Dean tracked down the dead girl's brother, and got him to sue the Hawaii Department of Health. That's the same case where another birther apparently had essentially worthless Iraqi dinars mailed to that brother very shortly after Dean left Hawai'i. That's the same case that Dean promoted on his blog with a picture that shows a smirking Dean Haskins posing at the grave of the dead infant like the gravestone is some sort of trophy.

Nothing disgraceful there, nope. Not a thing.

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"When I see us publicly lauding disgraceful behavior, and honoring deception, then I fear we have lost our way in what we are doing. Such blanket approval of that is indicative of abject hatred overruling thoughtful objectivity. If we are willing to disregard truth and decency in our quest toward a goal, then we should re-examine our motivation for that goal."


The irony in this one paragraph is simply amazing. I cannot think of a time since I started writing about the "Cult of the COLB in Summer of 2008 that the birthers have NOT been lauding disgraceful behavior, honoring deception, showing blanket approval of abject hatred, ignoring objectivity, and disregarding truth and decency.

You can't condemn Dr. Orly for this behavior when your entire movement is based upon that very same behavior.


Let's not forget that this is coming from the same Dean Haskins who was involved in setting up the Sunahara case. For those who have forgotten, that's the case where a the family of an infant who was born on the same day as Obama and died a day later was pestered by birthers. That's the same case where Dean tracked down the dead girl's brother, and got him to sue the Hawaii Department of Health. That's the same case where another birther apparently had essentially worthless Iraqi dinars mailed to that brother very shortly after Dean left Hawai'i. That's the same case that Dean promoted on his blog with a picture that shows a smirking Dean Haskins posing at the grave of the dead infant like the gravestone is some sort of trophy.

Nothing disgraceful there, nope. Not a thing.


Also the same case where some birfer "investigator" lied to Mrs. Sunahara and her son about why she wanted Virginia's paperwork.

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Haskins wrote:
Before sending me any hate emails like the ones I've already received, there are now ground rules involved. You must include this statement: “I, (state your name), declare under penalty of perjury, that I have read this conclusion at least three times.”

By what legal authority can Haskins penalize anybody with a perjury charge?

More self-important wannabe fail.

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What is a hate mail to one,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, can be a love letter to another....??

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Boy, that work session is going to be really awkward.

Dean had better find out what Dr. Taitz's favorite donut is or there will be hell to pay.


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If Haskins wants redemption, he can stop birfing. End his support of the disgraceful Sunahara case, recognize that the birfers are intellectually bankrupt and motivated by hate and fear, and apologize for his misconduct. If not, he's still a birfer.

I think Haskins may be on the road to redemption. But he still has a long way to go. Kicking the Orly Taitz habit is the easiest part because she is clearly the craziest and nastiest. But to return to civilized society Haskins still has a way to go. Perhaps his Christianity can lead him there.

There is always hope.

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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
I think Haskins may be on the road to redemption. But he still has a long way to go.


I'm still finding the contrast puzzling. To me he really does seem like a different person.

His current arguments have a completely different level of organized, logical thinking from the not-so-long-ago days when he was a petulant schoolboy whining "FOGBLOW."

Bipolar? Two-faced?

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I think Haskins may be on the road to redemption. But he still has a long way to go.


I'm still finding the contrast puzzling. To me he really does seem like a different person.

His current arguments have a completely different level of organized, logical thinking from the not-so-long-ago days when he was a petulant schoolboy whining "FOGBLOW."

Bipolar? Two-faced?


Despite Dean's efforts, and fleeting moment in the sun, he's still eclipsed by the glory of Orly. Poor little Dean is working his ass off. He's trying hard to actually step forward and lead the birthers onward to drag the United States kicking and screaming from under Obama's brutal heel. He's devoted his life to the cause. He's not working on anything else. He's doing things - like sucking up to the family of a day-old infant that died a half-century ago - that didn't occur to any other birther.

He's got a plan. He's got embroidered polo shirts. He's got technology people to film things. He's got a real Hawai'i lawyer filing a real Hawai'i lawsuit. He's got a giant cardboard check. He's got a life-sized cardboard cutout of the President. And he's got absolutely zero name recognition outside of our elite little group. He works harder than Orly. He works smarter than Orly.

Lots of people have heard of Orly. They think she's nutz, but they've heard of her. They haven't heard of Dean. Orly displayed more batshit on Thursday than you'll find at the bottom of any twenty caves, but she got a press conference at the end. Dean did the work - and laid out the dinars - to make sure that birthers around the country could watch. That's gotta burn.

Don't get me wrong. I hope that Dean will figure out that spewing lies and hate isn't the way to save the country from a President that he hates. I'd love to see him move in a more productive direction. I'm just not about to hold my breath waiting for it to happen.

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New converts are always the most fervent. Perhaps Dean Haskins, through his religion, will see that what he has done was because of fear and hate. Perhaps he will see that people like Orly Taitz merely spread that disease and corrode our system, our politics, our country. And that they coarsen and delegitimize our debate.

So I am willing to forgive Dean Haskins if he properly repents. He can be a powerful force against the disease of humanity that Orly Taitz represents. We could use people like him. Without hubris and without a secret agenda.

If Dean Haskins comes clean, and does what he needs to do, we should forgive him.

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I'm as appalled as anyone about his involvement in the Sunahara case. But he went out of his way to be friendly and civil to the Obots after the hearing. I gave him an interview, too also, but it hasn't surfaced yet.

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I'm as appalled as anyone about his involvement in the Sunahara case. But he went out of his way to be friendly and civil to the Obots after the hearing. I gave him an interview, too also, but it hasn't surfaced yet.


I'm sure Dean is civil and friendly in person. And, yes, that type of thing does matter, and it does tend to impress me when I see it.

But if Dean is smart enough to see how complete Orly's ineptitude really is, he's smart enough to see how utterly pointless Sunahara is. Right now, Sunahara is a case that doesn't need to be on Ms. Nagamine's plate. It's a case that doesn't need to be cluttering Judge Nishimura's calendar. It's extra work for a courthouse staff that is already struggling to remain only a few days behind. It's one case, granted, and not much of a drain on Hawai'i's resources, but times are tight and there aren't a lot of resources to drain.

Yeah, he might be a civil, friendly guy, but his pointless birfoonery is still causing real work for real people, many of whom have been civil and friendly to me. So I hope you'll forgive me if I'm not all that impressed that he's fighting with Orly and willing to shake hands with some of us.

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When was the last time Dean spoke of the Sunahara case? He might have asked himself a few questions after he saw her COLB. How was it connected in any way to the case against Obama other than the dates being within a day and in the same city but not born the same hospital. He must have been expecting more. Miki was his guide in Hawaii and now is denouncing him. He has sided with the two-citizen parent birfers who have accepted the authenticity of the LFBC. So, what good would getting the LFBC for the Sunahara baby do him or his group?

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If Haskins wants redemption, he can stop birfing. End his support of the disgraceful Sunahara case, recognize that the birfers are intellectually bankrupt and motivated by hate and fear, and apologize for his misconduct. If not, he's still a birfer.

I think Haskins may be on the road to redemption. But he still has a long way to go. Kicking the Orly Taitz habit is the easiest part because she is clearly the craziest and nastiest. But to return to civilized society Haskins still has a way to go. Perhaps his Christianity can lead him there.

There is always hope.


Call me a cynic, but in my opinion, Haskins is attacking Taitz because she's siphoning money from his summit. He realizes there are only so many pension and Social Security checks to go around, and he figures the money is better spent by him than Orly, who lives in a multi-million dollar home and has a side business as a dentist. She doesn't need the cash.

Redemption? Feh. He's not interested. He's all about the Benjamins.

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When was the last time Dean spoke of the Sunahara case? He might have asked himself a few questions after he saw her COLB. How was it connected in any way to the case against Obama other than the dates being within a day and in the same city but not born the same hospital. He must have been expecting more. Miki was his guide in Hawaii and now is denouncing him. He has sided with the two-citizen parent birfers who have accepted the authenticity of the LFBC. So, what good would getting the LFBC for the Sunahara baby do him or his group?


The lawsuit was filed after Duncan obtained the COLB, so I'm fairly sure Dean had seen it before the suit was filed.

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How's he going to raise the Benjamins when he has made zero progress on actually producing his show? Who are the confirmed speakers? Where are they meeting? Where's the announcement that permits are in place, that hotel rooms are reserved?

So far, he attended the "Values Summit" and took a month-long vacation in Hawaii with Miki Booth. He previously "uninvited" those who don't play well with Orly and now he's at war with her too. Who's left at this point?

Dean Haskins: what the hell are you doing to put on the Birther Summit?

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If Dean Haskins comes clean, and does what he needs to do, we should forgive him.


Quick! Someone check the logs! Someone broke into Stern's account and is posting under his name! :P


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I think Dean is probably the smartest of the birthers and probably the least crazy. Having said that, he's still a birther.

It's obvious that in the last two months, he's had a conversation with a real attorney and has been swayed by him or her. He is still a birther; he's just a birther who actually now has an understanding of how the legal system works.

I also predict that the Birther Summit is going to be quietly cancelled in the next few weeks. There are really only two "stars" in birtherdom - Orly and Lakin. Orly obviously ain't coming now. I don't think Lakin has ever been confirmed despite the fact that Deano has used him in the advertising since the beginning. You aren't going to get any marks to show up to see Miki Booth and Reverend Manning.


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It's obvious that in the last two months, he's had a conversation with a real attorney and has been swayed by him or her.

Naaah.

He just read Fogbow.

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I think Dean is probably the smartest of the birthers (sorry NOT) and probably the least crazy. Having said that, he's still a birther.

I also predict that the Birther Summit is going to be quietly cancelled in the next few weeks.

{No Doubt}


There are really no "stars" in birtherdom - Orly and Lakin. Orly obviously ain't coming now. I don't think Lakin has ever been confirmed despite the fact that Deano has used him in the advertising since the beginning. You aren't going to get any marks to show up to see Miki Booth and Reverend Manning.


Lakin was toast at the beginning from personality to crimes. The only folks who have a framed pic of him are just plain cowards. He saw the elephant and doesn't want to again.

Deono Who? Pasture Manning (and we all know what fills pastures), and Miki - another birfer gadfly with much more money than sense or brains.

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You aren't going to get any marks to show up to see Miki Booth and Reverend Manning.


Miki Booth has already kicked Haskins to the curb and said she won't attend. She's become a stanch supporter of Dr. Orly.

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PatGund wrote:
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You aren't going to get any marks to show up to see Miki Booth and Reverend Manning.


Miki Booth has already kicked Haskins to the curb and said she won't attend. She's become a stanch supporter of Dr. Orly.



So, who do we know are definitely not coming?

Orly obvisouly. Berg and Kreep. Booth.

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