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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:04 pm 
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Fresh from the WND-and-Farah-affiliated Western Center for Journalism:

It’s High Time to investigate Obama

Now why am I giving this its own thread? Because of this demand:

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It is high time that legislative bodies and prosecutorial authorities investigate the citizenship status of Barack Hussein Obama II as it relates to his eligibility to the Office of President under Article II Section 1 of the United States Constitution. This includes the determination of his actual identity, which requires genetic analysis. I started my investigation and analysis by deeming nearly every assertion as open to question, including the claimed identity of Mr. Obama’s parents. A certificate that a child was born to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama in Honolulu on 4 August 1961 might be true; but, assuming it’s true, it does not necessarily follow that Mr. Obama is that child. Whether he is or not requires genetic analysis...

Mr. Obama’s vital records must be disclosed and his DNA analyzed to confirm the birth parents of Barack Hussein Obama II, and to confirm that Mr. Obama, pretender to the Office of President, is actually the child whose birth was recorded, not a ringer...

This message only scratches the surface, but shows clearly what is likely needed to confirm Mr. Obama’s status as natural born citizen at the time of his birth: Hawai’i’s vital records of him and his DNA along with, perhaps, DNA analyses of others.


I'm highlighting this because this is from the WCJ, not just some random FR commenter or Birther blogger. This is an actual 'journalism' organization, that claims it wants to be taken seriously, claiming that Obama's eligibility can't be settled until he provides a cheek swab.

And life moves closer still to the Onion.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:16 pm 
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Unbelievable.

At least they did not include a renewed request that was made by some RWNJs some time ago (can't remember at this time from whom) that he should be checked to see if he's circumcised or not. :roll:

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Unbelievable.

At least they did not include a renewed request that was made by some RWNJs some time ago (can't remember at this time from whom) that he should be checked to see if he's circumcised or not. :roll:

They can't answer their own question without DNA from the mother and the father. Do they already have cheek swabs or are they going to ask that the bodies be exhumed?

I've always thought of the Western Journalism Center not as a serious journalism place but instead as a venue for Floyd Brown and his henchmen.

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Disclosure of Obama’s vital records in Hawai’i will almost certainly show that he was born in Hawai’i to U.S. citizens, verifiable by genetic analysis. Hence at birth Mr. Obama would have been a natural born U.S. citizen. (so yes he is an NBC) Official investigators should be prepared for this early result, and resist the pressure to consider it to be conclusive as to Mr. Obama’s eligibility as a natural born citizen when he ran for the Office of President. (But then again maybe not)

The status of natural born U.S. citizen can be acquired – or not – only at birth. But it can be lost thereafter, by loss of citizenship. The term “natural born U.S. citizen” subsumes “citizen”. You can not be a natural born citizen if you are not a citizen at all. (De Vatell can stick it)

Assume that Hawai’i’s certification of live birth is true and official as far as it goes. If Mr. Obama’s birth parents are indeed Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama the alien Luo tribesman, there is a prima facie case that Mr. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen, because Obama the Luo tribesman was an alien. (or not as the case may be)


More blah balah...adopted.....nevah an Murkan....Dr Fukino is part of OUR plan and sent us seekrit coded messages....etc etc

Want to know who wrote this pile of poo......as an exercise to the reader, I give you this little line....seem familiar...

The son of a Caucasian father and a predominantly Polynesian mother, with perhaps Portagee overtones,

Possibly more "classicly" written as "obliging Polynesian wahine".........sound familiar..... ](*,)

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Caleb Heimlich is the Director of Programs for the Western Center for Journalism and a professional blogger. He joined the Western Center for Journalism in January, 2009. He holds a Bachelors degree in Political Economics from Hillsdale College. Caleb worked as a Policy Analyst at the Americans for Prosperity Foundation in Washington D.C. before running for State Representative in Washington’s 25th legislative district.


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They can't answer their own question without DNA from the mother and the father.


Another move of the goalposts " Meh, a birth certificate doesn't mean anything, we need DNA testing." I don't think birthism would have survived mid-summer of 2008 if Ann Dunham were alive.


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Caleb Heimlich ... holds a Bachelors degree in Political Economics from Hillsdale College.

Heimlich got a very strong dose of conservatism at Hillsdale College, but most students entering Hillsdale already had had a strong dose of it, probably from parents. He carries a bookshelf of distorted information in his head.

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Caleb Heimlich

Caleb Heimlich is the Director of Programs for the Western Center for Journalism and a professional blogger. He joined the Western Center for Journalism in January, 2009. He holds a Bachelors degree in Political Economics from Hillsdale College. Caleb worked as a Policy Analyst at the Americans for Prosperity Foundation in Washington D.C. before running for State Representative in Washington’s 25th legislative district.


And, according to Washington Election records, In 2008 he placed 3rd in a three person race with 16% of the vote.

Not exactly a great showing.

Curiously enough, this year saw another World Nut Daily alumni in that same district, one Hans Zeiger, who made claims like "The Girl Scouts is almost as much a part of the radical feminist movement as the National Organization for Women", not to mention "Next month, the Girl Scouts USA national convention will be held in Atlanta. It will be a gathering of radical feminists, lesbians, and cookie peddlers with an agenda far removed from the classical image of Girl Scouting and from many local Girl Scout troops. " and "Unitarians, mainstream Baptists, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, members of the "Military Pagan Network" and other watered-down ecumenists will hold an "Interfaith Day of Prayer and Reflection" on the steps of the Oklahoma State Capitol today to pray to the generic god."

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Listed as staff on Americans For Prosperity Foundation site:

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Caleb Heimlich
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Since I'd rather not create a SECOND new thread about stupid new Birther demands:

MissTickly says Obama's birth certificate is necessary to prove he's actually 35 years old

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From memory, wasn't the idea that the Raving Ratbags would again move the goal posts and start talking about DNA testing brought up on Politijab some time ago? They are, after all, fairly predictable.
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You don't need Ann's or Barack Sr's DNA. You'd need a sample from Barack II, Maya and one of Barack's half-brothers in Kenya. Barack II and Maya have the same mitochondrial DNA from their mother and a comparison of Barack's DNA and one of his brother's DNA would show they have the same father. And then you have "So?" Birthers would just fall back to "well, just because Ann is his mother and Barack Sr is his father doesn't mean he was born in Hawaii", even though they're saying now they want DNA because they realize it's proven he was born in Hawaii. It's like a bizarre game of poker. They add and drop cards at will. Right now, they've picked up the "DNA" card and say they've discarded the "not born in Hawaii" card. Then when the "DNA" card doesn't help their hand, suddenly the "not born in Hawaii" card will be back in their hand like they never discarded it. Even after repeated debunking, they think all the birther "cards" are still viable. It's so fucking aggravating. Somehow, we need to figure out arguments that make it impossible for them to pick up debunked theories again.

Edit: It just occurred to me also, too that if a DNA test proved Barack II is the son of Ann and Barack Sr, it doesn't prove that he is the same baby born Aug 4, 1961. They will demand a comparison to umbilical cord blood saved at the time of the Aug 4, 1961. Wha? No cord blood? "Highly suspicious". Even though saving of umbilical cord blood was not even thought of in 1961. ](*,)


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...Even though saving of umbilical cord blood was not even thought of in 1961. ](*,)

So the scientists are now deciding when to "think" of things! The conspiracy just goes deeper and deeper.

Edit: I really like your poker analogy.

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Edit: It just occurred to me also, too that if a DNA test proved Barack II is the son of Ann and Barack Sr, it doesn't prove that he is the same baby born Aug 4, 1961. They will demand a comparison to umbilical cord blood saved at the time of the Aug 4, 1961. Wha? No cord blood? "Highly suspicious". Even though saving of umbilical cord blood was not even thought of in 1961. ](*,)


That's why we have to see the placenta before all doubt can be put to rest:

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"All we are asking is that the president produce a sample of his fetal membranes and vessels—preferably along with a photo of the crowning and delivery—and this will all be over," said former presidential candidate and Afterbirthers spokesman Alan Keyes, later adding that his organization would be willing to settle for a half-liter of maternal cord plasma. "To this day, the American people have not seen a cervical mucus plug, let alone one that has been signed and notarized by a state-certified Hawaiian health official. If the president was indeed born in the manner in which he claims, then where is his gestation sac?" Keyes said that if Obama did not soon produce at least a bloody bedsheet from his conception, Afterbirthers would push forward with efforts to exhume the president's deceased mother and inspect the corpse's pelvic bone and birth canal.

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You don't need Ann's or Barack Sr's DNA. You'd need a sample from Barack II, Maya and one of Barack's half-brothers in Kenya. Barack II and Maya have the same mitochondrial DNA from their mother and ...


And trust the birfers to find out that nowadays (think Nobel Prize, again) you need to be sure that neither of the two was born as a result of in vitro fertilization, because the natural processes that destroy mitochondrial DNA from the sperm do not seem to work so well in the case of IVF.

We all know both Obama and Maya were born before 1978, but it would not be the first time birfers have suggested the intervention of the Tardis. =))

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[wrapimg]http://www.vanityfair.com/images/politics/2010/09/obama-identity.jpg[/wrapimg]In The Obama Identity, a new satirical novel by Edward Klein and John LeBoutillier, C.I.A. agent Theodore J. Higginbothem III is ordered to check out all the conspiracy theories about Barack Obama: Was he born in America? Is he a Muslim? Is he a socialist? In this exclusive Vanity Fair excerpt, Higgy finds himself in Hawaii on the trail of Barack Obama’s birthplace.
By Edward Klein and John LeBoutillier
WEB EXCLUSIVE September 27, 2010


Maybe I'm turning into one of those purple people?

There's an excerpt at Vanity Fair:
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/feat ... rpt-201009

The Official site that includes several YouTubes of the missions:
The Obama Identity

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Among the many startling revelations in The Obama Identity:

* What Obama’s Kenyan grandmother says about his birthplace

* How a Muslim imam taught young Obama to apologize for America and bow to foreigners

* How the Reverend Jeremiah Wright taught Obama to use the TelePromTer

* What happened to the videotapes showing Obama high-fiving the Reverend Wright after one of his anti-American sermons
[...]

http://theobamaidentity.com/

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