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Gotta disagree with this, although it would explain why normal people would do such a thing. She always does it in this ridiculously theatrical way, then has a self-satisfied look on her face as if it were impressive.

I do think she saw it on TV.

When I was a kid, I remember noticing a commercial where, at the point, he was recommending you use the product.the TV doctor took off his glasses and "sincerely" looked at you through the screen.

I was nearsighted with glasses, and this made no sense to me -- I tried taking off my glasses when I wanted to look sincere, and all that happened was the face of the person I was talking to became fuzzy. I continued to see this "taking off the glasses to be sincere" or "senior advisor person holding glasses in their hand" and continued to try this, and it continued to make no sense to me.

It was years later when I was writing TV commercials that I learned this a communications metaphor: "I am an older (e.g. wiser, sensei) person and I am abandoning my prepared text (for which I need reading glasses because I am older e.g. wiser) to look directly at you in focus (without glasses) to show my sincerity and to remove the barriers between us.

Now that all the baby boomers are old farts, we have young doctors on TV doing the recommending of the drugs to the older worried patients. After all, it's the young people now who are up to date on all the latest goodies, right? But when we were young, the stereotypical doctors people looked up to were older, had gray hair, and held their glasses in their hands.

As corollary metaphors, older/wiser people looking down on you with disdain did it over the tops of their half-glasses. Prim schoolteachers and librarians had their hair up in buns and wore unstylish glasses which they apparently didn't need, since in the right circumstances they would whip them off, pull out a few hairpins, and become foxes. Especially for guys who wore English Leather or something.

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This reminds me of something I saw in a movie, or comedy skit? A lawyer dramatically taking his glasses off to make a point - revealing another pair under the ones he removed, so he can dramatically take another pair off if needed :)

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As corollary metaphors, older/wiser people looking down on you with disdain did it over the tops of their half-glasses.


An example, perfectly applicable to any Orly/birfer filing.

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ducktape wrote:
As corollary metaphors, older/wiser people looking down on you with disdain did it over the tops of their half-glasses.


An example, perfectly applicable to any Orly/birfer filing.

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I do dat -- a lot, with or without the narrow glasses. :-?

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This reminds me of something I saw in a movie, or comedy skit? A lawyer dramatically taking his glasses off to make a point - revealing another pair under the ones he removed, so he can dramatically take another pair off if needed :)


Sounds like something from a Zucker/Abrams/Zucker production - probably Naked Gun, but I'm not sure.

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Sounds like something from a Zucker/Abrams/Zucker production - probably Naked Gun, but I'm not sure.

Half-credit: Airplane!


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lyssandri wrote:
Sounds like something from a Zucker/Abrams/Zucker production - probably Naked Gun, but I'm not sure.

Half-credit: Airplane!




lol I knew it exsisted, and was thinking Zucker movies :D Awesome.

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Sounds like something from a Zucker/Abrams/Zucker production - probably Naked Gun, but I'm not sure.

Half-credit: Airplane!


:D That movie is truly a thing of beauty =))

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lyssandri wrote:
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lyssandri wrote:
Sounds like something from a Zucker/Abrams/Zucker production - probably Naked Gun, but I'm not sure.

Half-credit: Airplane!


:D That movie is truly a thing of beauty =))


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Have you ever seen the movie that they used as the basis for Airplane!? It's called Zero Hour!. It is an overly dramatic movie with the same plot. A lot of the scenes in Airplane! are straight from Zero Hour!. It is a riot to watch Zero Hour! and then watch Airplane! and see the similarities.
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lyssandri wrote:
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:D That movie is truly a thing of beauty =))


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Have you ever seen the movie that they used as the basis for Airplane!? It's called Zero Hour!. It is an overly dramatic movie with the same plot. A lot of the scenes in Airplane! are straight from Zero Hour!. It is a riot to watch Zero Hour! and then watch Airplane! and see the similarities.
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Also see The High and Mighty with John Wayne.

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Thanks very much you lot! Now every time I take off my glasses to emphasize a point I think of Sharon Meroni, thanks very much.
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semi-offtopic, but not:

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Did Sharon graduate law school already? It was just yesterday she decided to go. Or something. :-?


She has a video of Dan Savage giving a talk at a school where a bunch of kids walked out. It is assumed it is because they didn't like the material, but I suspect they went out to smoke a doobie.

In any case, Meroni sez:

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Wow - This is a MUST listen to the end.

The young men and women BRAVE enough to walk away from Dan Savage, the bully, have a cause of action with their school and with Savage. He used hate speech to attach them, provoking ridicule from their classmates, purposefully to make his hateful message.

Kids... Call a lawyer!!!!

Dan Savage, creator of the It Gets Better Project, was invited to speak as a keynote speaker at NSPA/ JEA's annual High School Journalism convention, Journalism on the Edge.



Those poor kids. It appears they've been scarred for life.

According to Sharon, they have cause of action. :P

there's more here:
http://www.patriotsheartnetwork.net/vid ... stian-kids

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Did Sharon graduate law school already? It was just yesterday she decided to go. Or something. :-?


She has a video of Dan Savage giving a talk at a school where a bunch of kids walked out. It is assumed it is because they didn't like the material, but I suspect they went out to smoke a doobie.

In any case, Meroni sez:

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Wow - This is a MUST listen to the end.

The young men and women BRAVE enough to walk away from Dan Savage, the bully, have a cause of action with their school and with Savage. He used hate speech to attach them, provoking ridicule from their classmates, purposefully to make his hateful message.

Kids... Call a lawyer!!!!

Dan Savage, creator of the It Gets Better Project, was invited to speak as a keynote speaker at NSPA/ JEA's annual High School Journalism convention, Journalism on the Edge.



Those poor kids. It appears they've been scarred for life.

According to Sharon, they have cause of action. :P

there's more here:
http://www.patriotsheartnetwork.net/vid ... stian-kids

:yawn: :yawn: :yawn: She is starting to fizzle. I think maybe I'll read more before bed. Her writing's a surefire cure for insomnia.

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I'm not litigious, but...

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I'm not litigious, but...

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Kids... Call a lawyer!!!!


=)) =)) =))

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I see that the Dear Lady still has this on her front page (scroll down a bit)

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Published on Tuesday, 17 April 2012 12:01 | Written by Arrow


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She wouldn't do that on purpose, would she?
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The walkout looked organized to me, I suspect that no matter what he said at some point they were all going to leave. Following her link you wind up at the article at citizen link

it quotes a student saying
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“I was thinking, ‘This is not going a good direction at all,’ Then he started going off about the Bible. He said somehow the Bible was pro-slavery. I’m really shy. I’m not really someone to, like, stir up anything. But all of a sudden I just blurted out, ‘That’s bull!’ ”

which helps to prove Savage's point
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“Most people that you wind up arguing with about religion and homosexuality have not ever read the Bible without their, you know, moron glasses on.”


over the years I have found that most fundamentalists don't even cherry-pick the bible, they have their cherry-picking done for them because they have never read one of it's books in toto never mind the whole shebang.

The student's quote really bothers me, because it speaks directly to our history in the US. Just a scant 150 odd years ago the bible was being used as a justification for slavery because it doesn't speak against it (except in terms of enslaving Jews longer than 7 ? years) and urges slaves to heed their masters. Even in the new testament, Paul agonizes over the run-away slave but returns him to his master. Organized religion played a major part in helping to justify slavery here. Guess that's yet another part of our history that isn't making it into US history classes.


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Well you dont have to do far into the Bible to see mentions of Slavery. Even a halfway glance at the old testiment brings up the story of Joseph, sold by his brothers into slavery in the book of Genesis.

But the mention of Paul is interesting, Heres the lines in question

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Therefore, though I might be very bold in Christ to command you what is fitting, yet for love’s sake I rather appeal to you; being such a one as Paul, the aged, and now also a prisoner of Jesus Christ; I appeal to you for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten while in my chains, who once was unprofitable to you, but now is profitable to you and to me.

I am sending him back. You therefore receive him, that is, my own heart, whom I wished to keep with me, that on your behalf he might minister to me in my chains for the gospel. But without your consent I wanted to do nothing, that your good deed might not be by compulsion, as it were, but voluntary.

For perhaps he departed for a while for this purpose, that you might receive him forever, no longer as a slave but more than a slave; a beloved brother, especially to me but how much more to you, both in the flesh and in the Lord.

If then you count me as a partner, receive him as you would me. But if he has wronged you or owes anything, put that on my account. I, Paul, am writing with my own hand. I will repay; not to mention to you that you owe me even your own self besides.


The first thing is that he was urging his friend to see Paul not sending the slave back AS A SLAVE but as a brother (a free man and a fellow christian), firstly as Paul felt it was not right to have him helping Paul without the masters blessing, and it seems that the slave had also stolen from his master and Paul wished to make that right by taking the slaves debts onto himself.

I mean you can argue whether Paul condined slavery from that the rights and wrongs of slavery from that but it seems that Paul was concerned withthe feelings of his friend, the slaves ex master and wished to pay his respecs to his friend. It has to do with a whole host of thingslike respect for friendsship and repayment of depts and a whole host of other things rather than simply an image of Paul sending a slave packing back to his master in a cage.

But the fact is that the writers of the bible would not have seen much wrong with slavery as such as it was very common at the time. So expecting the Bible to come out AGAINST slavery is a bit of intulectual sophistry on the part of the Pro slavers. At best the Bible is just fairly neutral on slavery, as can be evidence by the fact that the Pro-slavery movement could not really come up with Biblical justification for slavery.

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And there you go.

No matter what you believe, you can somehow justify it with the bible.

pick an issue. pick a side. Get yer trusty bible and you can find something in there to back you up.

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There's even a part of the Bible that has the devil using it to justify what he was saying, Mimi :D

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And there you go.

No matter what you believe, you can somehow justify it with the bible.

pick an issue. pick a side. Get yer trusty bible and you can find something in there to back you up.

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There's even a part of the Bible that has the devil using it to justify what he was saying, Mimi :D


As well as send the false prophets to preach evil in the guise of good. Now let's get back to Chalice's specific issues before Foggy locks this thread too. :D

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