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Jim Byrne is better known as mocorrupt and kahunah, Lying Lucas' ex-comrade, who had an ugly falling out with Lying Lucas 2-3 months ago.

Just the fact that Jim has now confirmed Maganga's first name as "Heltan," which all sane people already knew, is a big deal.

I for one salute Jim for stepping forward. But all of this does not explain this.

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finally some birther took his time to verify what others had allready done but wanted birthers to do: contact the signing doctor. In the process all the necessary news articles, e-mails, telephones, had been provided.
Helton was allways Heltan
Othigo and not Maganga was the ca on Feb 19th 2009


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Jim Byrne is better known as mocorrupt and kahunah, Lying Lucas' ex-comrade, who had an ugly falling out with Lying Lucas 2-3 months ago.

Just the fact that Jim has now confirmed Maganga's first name as "Heltan," which all sane people already knew, is a big deal.

I for one salute Jim for stepping forward. But all of this does not explain this.

Byrne says it's a forgery, as he must in the teeth of undeniable direct evidence. But then he himself backtracks, because no birfer can be completely candid:
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[highlight]Is the document presented by Lucas Smith a real copy of Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate? It could be![/highlight] Then again, it may be something Smith manufactured or acquired from someone who did. It could also be that Smith did obtain it from CPGH and someone working in the administration department decided that $5,000 was just too much money to pass up for issuing a novelty item. (I doubt anyone in the CPGH admin department would have been aware of the potential for disqualification of Obama due to his foreign birth.) They may have already ordered and received the stamp for the incoming Chief Administrator (with his name spelled incorrectly) and took it upon themselves to use it. What would that mean? It would mean that the Lucas Smith CPGH birth certificate alone has no evidentiary value here or in Kenya.

Our problem here originates from a lack of candor on the part of Lucas Smith and on the part of Barack Obama II. Neither of them has demonstrated that he is worthy of our trust. Could Lucas Smith have a Kenyan birth certificate for Barack Obama without ever leaving the comfort of his own home? Could Barack Obama have a Hawaiian “certification” or even “certificate” of birth without actually being born there? The answer to both of those questions is undoubtedly YES! We should look upon both of them with disgust, but we should continue to demand to see Obama’s original vital records. These questions that continue to go unresolved may not be acknowledged by the mainstream media, but they engulf the hearts and minds of everyday Americans. To me, that is unacceptable.


And it's all the fault of Barack Obama.

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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
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We should look upon both of them with disgust...


And it's all the fault of Barack Obama.

Once a birfoon, always a birfoon.


Still, for a birfer to imply that he, Lucas Smith, merits a level of disgust usually reserved solely for the likes of Obama -- them's strong words indeed!

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Thank you for your e-mail on matters touching on birth place of U.S President Barack Obama.
The answers to all your questions is a resounding NO.
[highlight]Kindly let me know how I can legally follow up the issue for one impersonating me and falsehoods on my institution.[/highlight]


IS there anything that can be done?

Edit: HA HA! Lucas is in melt down mode again. LOL!

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And he got a response he didn't like from Congressman Loebsack.

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What a riot. He, Lucas, is going all Obly over there :lol:

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Edit: HA HA! Lucas is in melt down mode again. LOL!

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What a riot. He, Lucas, is going all Obly over there :lol:

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Edit: HA HA! Lucas is in melt down mode again. LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/user/InspectorSmith


Yep, he's going bonkers, but like all cons, he will never admit his con.

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Strunk is in the P&E thread.

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The BC matter since Berg filed the first suit in August 2008 on the BC snipe hunt, in my opinion was to allow the BC matter to cast a shadow over the multiple allegiance issue that is the REAL NBC matter to be addressed by a court.

Smith hid in the Dominican Republic to escape questioning and the fact that he is doing the same show business now should be evidence that requires any investigator to ask who benefits from such show right now.

I contend that those promoting Charity in Truth are those who gave us McCain / BHO and that Holder with Elena Kagen act together to cover-up the entire judicial effort assisted by the Knight of Saint Gregory Knight Murdock whose Fox news kangaroo who has boosted the apostate Glenn Beck pushing Charity in Truth under a Vatican II ecumenical Fr, Pierre Teilhard De Chardin new age beam me up Scotty umbrella.


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I contend that those promoting Charity in Truth are those who gave us McCain / BHO and that Holder with Elena Kagen act together to cover-up the entire judicial effort assisted by the Knight of Saint Gregory Knight Murdock whose Fox news kangaroo who has boosted the apostate Glenn Beck pushing Charity in Truth under a Vatican II ecumenical Fr, Pierre Teilhard De Chardin new age beam me up Scotty umbrella.


Not only is that all a single sentence, but I can't make a lick of sense out of it. It's like some bizarre kind of mad libs exercise. "Knight of Saint Gregory Knight"? Kangaroo? Vatican II? Chardin?

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I contend that those promoting Charity in Truth are those who gave us McCain / BHO and that Holder with Elena Kagen act together to cover-up the entire judicial effort assisted by the Knight of Saint Gregory Knight Murdock whose Fox news kangaroo who has boosted the apostate Glenn Beck pushing Charity in Truth under a Vatican II ecumenical Fr, Pierre Teilhard De Chardin new age beam me up Scotty umbrella.


Not only is that all a single sentence, but I can't make a lick of sense out of it. It's like some bizarre kind of mad libs exercise. "Knight of Saint Gregory Knight"? Kangaroo? Vatican II? Chardin?

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Birthers well and truly get me hot blooded sometimes. Take this Kenyan birth certificate for example, it is so evidently fake and considering the vast differences between Obama's Hawaiian BC and this one (ie being verified by Hawaiian officials, having been compared to other birth certificates) I mean the arguments that these same birthers made about the short form should have automatically trumped the fake Kenyan ones into the ground as well, but for some reason their answer is always "you have no evidence to prove this is a fake".

I mean this among many other examples, among the fact they cannot account eligibility for the last 43 presidents, I mean I feel these people know they are lying, they are being hypocritical in their arguments, that they are being misleading. I feel that they know how wrong they are, many of them, but they don't care. So long as this smears the president, they are fine. For whatever reason, whether it be racism or partisanship or religous reasons, they are completely stubborn over revealing their real motives and it gets to me that many of them are paid this much attention to. Mind you I frequent Above top secret quiet regularly and that is a conservative website consisting of mostly freepers, drudge and WND surfers politically, but it still gets to me.

These people are pathetic but at the end of the day I always try to remind myself that these people have always existed. They were around in opposition to the movement to end slavery, they were around in opposition to end segregation, they were around cheering Clinton to be impeached. They never really get their chance to halt progress. Progress is inevitable, and their cries, their whining is just a reflection of resistance of the inevitable. But I will not stand silent. I cannot resist... and whenever I see repeated garbage from a birth, I cannot resist but pounce on them.

You know I don't know about you guys but Iv encountered a new set of birthers. The ones that now insist they are not birthers themselves, or even to the extent that they do believe Obama was not born in Hawaii. They start their posts with this sort of disclaimer of theirs and then proceed to criticise Obama for not being transparent, insist showing more information would end it all, and then going on to show videos about how 'socialist' or 'far left' or 'corrupt' Obama is and then afew more posts down the line they start referencing age old birther claims again. They try to cover themselves up and I just hate that. There is nothing more I hate than a coward that cannot by the least be upfront about what they believe however outlandish it is. I recently came across one birther like this. Ubelievable.

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I contend that those promoting Charity in Truth are those who gave us McCain / BHO and that Holder with Elena Kagen act together to cover-up the entire judicial effort assisted by the Knight of Saint Gregory Knight Murdock whose Fox news kangaroo who has boosted the apostate Glenn Beck pushing Charity in Truth under a Vatican II ecumenical Fr, Pierre Teilhard De Chardin new age beam me up Scotty umbrella.


Not only is that all a single sentence, but I can't make a lick of sense out of it. It's like some bizarre kind of mad libs exercise. "Knight of Saint Gregory Knight"? Kangaroo? Vatican II? Chardin?


Rupert Murdoch is a Companion of the Order of Australia, and his father was a Sir too. Apart from that, he was made a Papal Knight (officially Knight of Saint Gregory) when he was married to a Roman Catholic from Estonia (despite being divorced!). So, you could reasonably call him twice a Knight (not that he will actually answer twice a night).

Apostate is a code word for Protestant who switched to the wrong religion. Well, Rupert is now officially Christian again, but Beck is a Mormon. Charity in Truth is an encyclical letter by the present Pope, which contains a number of phrases that have been interpreted as a reference not only to Chardin but to the New World Order. "Beam me up Scotty" - well it did refer to the United States of the Earth, right.

Leaves only the "news apostate" to explain, in esse. :-k Obviously a stream of consciousness reference to Australia, Rupert's birth place, but also to kangaroo court. Perhaps he considers Fox a sham news agent? If so, who would have thought Strunk could possibly say something rational? :twisted:

But you are right, the grammar is a bit off. "whose ... who". Not yet Finnegan's Wake material, I am afraid.

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You know I don't know about you guys but Iv encountered a new set of birthers. The ones that now insist they are not birthers themselves, or even to the extent that they do believe Obama was not born in Hawaii. They start their posts with this sort of disclaimer of theirs and then proceed to criticise Obama for not being transparent, insist showing more information would end it all, and then going on to show videos about how 'socialist' or 'far left' or 'corrupt' Obama is and then afew more posts down the line they start referencing age old birther claims again. They try to cover themselves up and I just hate that. There is nothing more I hate than a coward that cannot by the least be upfront about what they believe however outlandish it is. I recently came across one birther like this. Ubelievable.


Yep. I've seen 'em. They dare me to mock them. So, I do.


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It's not an unreasonable question to ask where the POTUS was born but the Alniskyites are having some success ridiculing ppl that do. about 7 hours ago via TweetDeck

If I ask the question where our president was born and you label me with the Alinksy BS label BIRTHER please unfollow, I'll block. about 7 hours ago via TweetDeck

Wow BIRTHER really gets the libs going. I don't know where the F O was born. Frankly I don't care, the concealment is the issue. about 7 hours ago via TweetDeck

@gracels Your term is BIRTHER I just want the president of the United States to show some respect for the people he governs, he's a coward. about 7 hours ago via TweetDeck in reply to gracels


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Loren wrote:
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I contend that those promoting Charity in Truth are those who gave us McCain / BHO and that Holder with Elena Kagen act together to cover-up the entire judicial effort assisted by the Knight of Saint Gregory Knight Murdock whose Fox news kangaroo who has boosted the apostate Glenn Beck pushing Charity in Truth under a Vatican II ecumenical Fr, Pierre Teilhard De Chardin new age beam me up Scotty umbrella.

That is a sentence only in the sense that the word salad ends with a period. What it is is a barrage of signals intended to rally someone to Strunk's side with one signal or another. "Vatican II" rallies one set; "Fr. Teilhard de Chardin" rallies another; and "Murdock" rallies another. In other words, it is a series of magical incantations, and only one of them needs to work.

Incidentally, the phrase "the apostate Glenn Beck" could have been written by a Lutheran. Mormons are apostates to most Christian denominations.

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[center]Lucas is going postal[/center]
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After reading the article several times now I almost feel sorry for Jim Byrne.

What was going through Jim Byrne's mind when he submitted the article to be published? There is zero evidence to back up his claims. And it's a claim that Jim has called others out as liars for (such as Great Kim aka Mik Taerg) when they make claims that they have spoken with Dr Heltan Maganga.

My only advice to Jim Bryne is to find a few friends, also a girl friend and to call your father. [highlight]And you might want to stay away from eligibility Court hearings. You never know who might recognize you and pop you in the lip[/highlight]. And have a little dignity and stay away from the InspectorSmith forum. Thanks.

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I know that some countries claim extra-territoriality over it's citizens. For example, the US is prosecuting it's citizens that travel outside the country to obtain sex from minors. The issue of the Guantanamo prisoners is not quite the same since they were originally taken as prisoners of war (and later changed to avoid giving them the benefits of the Geneva Conventions).

My question is:
Can the Kenyan government assert jurisdiction over someone that is in possession of a fraudulent document that purports to be an official document of that country, even though the perp is not a citizen and both the document and perp are outside Kenyan territory?

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Perhaps, I should have addressed my question to Dr. Levy, who is a recognized expert on international law.

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Perhaps, I should have addressed my question to Dr. Levy, who is a recognized expert on international law.


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Personally, now that he's sent it to Congresscritters and held it out to be authentic and so is "using" it fraudulently, I think the US should charge him.

Just WHO in the US I dunno.... but I sure wish someone would!

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Loren, Mik Taerg, anyone else...

Please check your saved links that showed Jennifer Othigo as the Chief Hospital Administrator at CPGH up through April 2009.

Also check your links for The Book Thief.

I won't say more at this time.

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This one still works:

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In a particularly appropriate quote in a Kenyan newspaper, the Chief Administrator of the hospital is identified, as of September, 2008:

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“The hospital corridors have a variety of people out to make quick cash from unsuspecting patients. Some act as lawyers, others as doctors and the more they are entertained the more they live on,” said Dr Jennifer Othigo, the hospital’s chief administrator.


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In a different Kenyan newspaper on March 26, 2009, the same Chief Administrator was named:

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Coast Provincial Director of Medical Services Esther Getambu could not be reached for comment as she was said to be attending to patients.

Hospital Chief Administrator Jennifer Othigo refused to comment and referred us to Dr Getambu.


This link is dead and I couldn't find it on Google cache or the Wayback Machine. The newspaper was the Daily Nation and the link was: http://www.nation.co.ke/InDepth/-/45289 ... index.html

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And April 13, 2009:

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Only one of the four anaesthetic machines is working in the main theatre, while only one of the two in the maternity section is operational.

The chief administrator, Ms Jennifer Othigo, dismissed the situation as temporary.

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I don't know what this refers to, (the book and movie?), so I doubt I have any links to it.

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Also check your links for The Book Thief.

I won't say more at this time.

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Maybe he, Lucas Smith, can't afford food or a place to stay, and since he's not grifting with CEL3 anymore, nor sponging off Orly Taitz, he has a hankering for some more prison time.

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I don't know what this refers to, (the book and movie?), so I doubt I have any links to it.

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Also check your links for The Book Thief.

I won't say more at this time.


This was one of Smiths online personae - see sluggos blog

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