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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:48 pm 
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Ya know how the birfers used this passage to claim even Hawaii won't accept the BC President Obama posted, that it is a "second tier" document?

Also the insistence that yes, you can get a long form, you just have to pay more and wait longer for it - that second paragraph says so?

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In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.

Please note that DOH no longer offers same day service. If you plan on picking up your certified DOH document(s), you should allow at least 10 working days for DOH to process your request(s), OR four to six weeks if you want your certified certificate(s) mailed to you.


Well, after an email and phone call, it is all fixed! :D

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There are two categories of documents used in determining eligibility: primary and secondary.

Primary Documents

Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.

The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.


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http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

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http://74.125.155.132/search?hl=en&q=ca ... f&oq=&aqi=

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Good Job! Impressive!

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Any guess as to who will be the first to claim that Obama got to the DHHL? :roll:

In any case excellent job Sequoia :-bd :-bd :-bd =D>

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Sequoia32 wrote:
Ya know how the birfers used this passage to claim even Hawaii won't accept the BC President Obama posted, that it is a "second tier" document?

Also the insistence that yes, you can get a long form, you just have to pay more and wait longer for it - that second paragraph says so?

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In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.

Please note that DOH no longer offers same day service. If you plan on picking up your certified DOH document(s), you should allow at least 10 working days for DOH to process your request(s), OR four to six weeks if you want your certified certificate(s) mailed to you.


Well, after an email and phone call, it is all fixed! :D

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There are two categories of documents used in determining eligibility: primary and secondary.

Primary Documents

Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.

The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.


NEW:
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

OLD:
http://74.125.155.132/search?hl=en&q=ca ... f&oq=&aqi=


Damnit Sequoia! You beat me to posting it for little davie! =)) =)) =))

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Sequoia32 wrote:
Ya know how the birfers used this passage to claim even Hawaii won't accept the BC President Obama posted, that it is a "second tier" document?


Cue the screams of "Obama coverup" in three, two, one..........

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Superb job, Sequoia! :-bd :-bd

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Wow, Sequoia. You rock.

I hope you paid out HQ's money generously to get them to change that. I hope you didn't have to threaten anybody's fambly. I hate it, when we have to threaten their famblies. :-

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Wow, Sequoia. You rock.

I hope you paid out HQ's money generously to get them to change that. I hope you didn't have to threaten anybody's fambly. I hate it, when we have to threaten their famblies. :-


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Very well done.

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Thanks so much for taking the time to do this Sequoia! Maybe the folks at DHHL will have more time to do their real work now, instead of dealing with Birthers. But I won't count on that. Gov Lingle's plan to furlough all state employees 3 days per month is halted today because of 3 lawsuits by state employee unions. Birther's complain about Obama's government spending but they gladly waste government money & time with their ludicrous lawsuits.

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So says [linkbtn]WingNutDaily,http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103408[/linkbtn]

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State dumps exclusion on document for home lands program
Posted: July 08, 2009 8:56 pm Eastern © 2009 WorldNetDaily


Is Hawaii self-conscious about its unusual "certification of live birth" document because of attention focused on it over questions about Barack Obama's eligibility for the presidency?

The state, which had excluded the controversial document as proof of native Hawaiian status, has changed its policy and now makes a point of including it stating in its qualifications that they are now accepted "because they are official government records documenting an individual's birth."

It was just one month ago that WND pointed out that the document Barack Obama has released as proof of a Hawaiian birth was not accepted by the Hawaiian Home Lands program, presumably because it was not a reliable test of an actual Hawaiian birth.

    [center][Obligatory ad to buy birther crap is here... and a bunch more.~mimi][/center]
    Want to turn up the pressure to learn the facts? Get your signs and postcards asking for the president's birth certificate documentation here.

Sometime in the last 30 days that policy changed – without fanfare – amid increasing scrutiny by WND of the "certification of live birth."

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Until very recently the qualifications for the Hawaiian Home Lands program required a certified copy of a standard birth certificate – also known as the "long-form certificate" – filled out in the hospital and including details such as the name of the hospital and the attending physician.

"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green," the qualifications stated as recently as last month. "This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

According to Hawaii's Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo, the state began issuing only "certifications of live birth" in 2001 when the health department went paperless. It is only available in electronic form, she said.

"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she was quoted in the Honolulu Star Bulletin. "The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests," Okubo said.

She did not explain how those needing a standard long-form birth certificate to qualify for programs such as those offered by the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands or to establish proof of eligibility to be president could be fulfilled. She said the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements." She did not, however, cite any specific rulings, and the Supreme Court has not taken up the issue of whether the certification of live birth would qualify a presidential candidate as eligible under the "natural born citizen" clause.[...]


They are just never happy. :lol:

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Until very recently the qualifications for the Hawaiian Home Lands program required a certified copy of a standard birth certificate – also known as the "long-form certificate" – filled out in the hospital and including details such as the name of the hospital and the attending physician.


They know their wingnut readers will never check what they say, to they have been saying the same thing over and over, as if it's the truth, which it is not.


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"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green," the qualifications stated as recently as last month. "This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."


Nowhere in the above or in the requirements for the HHL program does it state the "Original Certificate of Live Birth" (long-form certificate) is required.

Lies and faith their followers will never do their own research and will discount that which disagrees with their lies and obfuscation is the only way they keep this nonsense going and keep those PayPal buttons busy. :evil:

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Good thing they didn't know about Sequoia's part in that.

Score 1 for Sequoia. She got a whole WND article written about her, but WND didn't know it was her.

Whoa, Nelly! =D>

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Well, you've hit the birther bigtime now, *DHHL webmistress*!

WingNutDaily has finally noticed the change. They are the primary news source for the birfoons.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103408

I love how they say Hawaii's BC is "unusual". I know of at least 4 other states that only issue the short form: Ohio, Washington, Missouri and Arizona for births after 1989.

WND also reports on Bigfoot and UFO sightings...

Thanks again!


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Thanks "Sequoia". I saw this one too.
And thanks for the info on the states that accept the short form too.
Take care,
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Hawaii's BC is "unusual"? I'll bet there are a bunch more states who have gone to the short form only.

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Good thing they didn't know about Sequoia's part in that.

Score 1 for Sequoia. She got a whole WND article written about her, but WND didn't know it was her.

Whoa, Nelly! =D>


We haz some fantastic folks here. =D>

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This is wonderful.

Foggy wrote:
Good thing they didn't know about Sequoia's part in that.

Score 1 for Sequoia. She got a whole WND article written about her, but WND didn't know it was her.

Whoa, Nelly! =D>

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On behalf of Hawaii taxpayers, let me thank you again Sequoia. If you're ever brave enough to go up against that Internet Powerhouse Andy Martin & abandon his boycott ;-) I owe you a Mai Tai on Waikiki Beach, Moana Surfrider Hotel, under their historic banyan tree.

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I'll bet there are a bunch more states who have gone to the short form only.


Yep and one for sure is MO.

http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/ ... ong-forms/
HRJ 34 – Requires Missouri Candidates to submit non existent long forms

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Hey! I thought it didn't make it through moderation... :D

It wasn't there when I went back to see if it got through.

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A4: The DNC would provide a copy of President Obama's birth certificate for 2012.

There is not even any stipulation that it be a certified copy, so a photocopy of the birth certificate he has already shown would do.

Many states only issue a short-form BC as Missouri Republicans found out when they tried to pass a bill to require a long form BC for presidential candidates (HJR 34). It was quietly withdrawn when they discovered Missouri ONLY ISSUES SHORT FORMS. [Answer submitted on May 14, 2009 12:01 PM]


http://www.govtrack.us/users/questions. ... :h111-1503

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