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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 5:02 pm 
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He may be a Birther darling tonight, but when this is over, they're gonna hate him as much as they hate anybody. And they're gonna move the goalposts once again.


The article says that the teabagger who requested that Bennett do this has already stated that a yes/no from HI won't suffice:
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"In my mind, no way can (Hawaii) certify or confirm what that is,” he said, referring to the birth certificate image posted online by Obama. “We actually need to see the hard copy.”



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He may be a Birther darling tonight, but when this is over, they're gonna hate him as much as they hate anybody. And they're gonna move the goalposts once again.


The article says that the teabagger who requested that Bennett do this has already stated that a yes/no from HI won't suffice:
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"In my mind, no way can (Hawaii) certify or confirm what that is,” he said, referring to the birth certificate image posted online by Obama. “We actually need to see the hard copy.”



Who is "we?"


Him and the mouse in his pocket.

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Is the AZ SOS requiring Romney to jump through the same hoops?

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Doc C lists a statement from the SoS's spokesman saying that he did indeed write the email but that any verification would be accepted.

Bennett, like most mainstream Republicans that try to ride the birther wagon, will probably regret getting involved in this.

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Bennett is giving interviews in Arizona going semi-birther, but quite publicly saying that Hawaii has to "verify" the Beth certificate.

This from a man that last year during the BC bill debacle in Arizona stated quite publicly that Arizona has no requirement that any such thing be submitted. So he's not joining the birthers per se - he doesn't say anything about forgery or the like - but has changed his public position from last year of "There's no legal requirement to submit or verify this documentation" to "Hawaii better back up the boy's story, or ELSE."

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Is the AZ SOS requiring Romney to jump through the same hoops?


Of course not; Bennett is a Mormon and an Eagle Scout!

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Is the AZ SOS requiring Romney to jump through the same hoops?

No. Romney is white.

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number 2 as he is the SoS, for a state, who as part of normal duties, maintains official lists, specifically in this case, candidates for election to office.

He can't claim it's part of his normal duties unless Arizona election law requires the SoS to verify candidates' citizenship or maintain an official list. Perhaps 4 years ago the Hawaii Dept of Health would have answered an inquiry like this from another state, but I doubt it. In 2012 not follow the letter of its vital records laws? Not a chance, in my opinion.


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Pornstache is tweeting...

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Jerry Corsi flying to Hawaii right now. Sitting across from whom? Gov. Abercrombie. 2 hours to find out why he couldn't find that birth doc.
:roll:

And of course outright lying in the process.

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http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/shocker-obam ... n-in-2003/

UPDATE! Obama was using Kenyan birth narrative through 2007!


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Jerry Corsi flying to Hawaii right now. Sitting across from whom? Gov. Abercrombie. 2 hours to find out why he couldn't find that birth doc.
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2 hours to Hawaii?? Where's he flying from?

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From Weigel's twitter feed

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MT @JosephFarah: Jerry Corsi flying to Hawaii right now. Sitting across from Abercrombie. 2h to find out why he couldn't find birth doc.


Don't know if it is recent or an old one.

See greenie beat me to it.

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Bennett said in a radio interview last night that Hawaii responded to his request by asking for a copy of the Arizna law that authorizes him to ask for the information.

He also said in the same interview that he was NOT asking the same of any Republicans, nor did he intend to.

Slime he is. It...really saddens me to see the levels to which these people feel they have to go. They aren't willing to be honest and say "Look, I know you don't like the President but you're wrong on this one."

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MT @JosephFarah: Jerry Corsi flying to Hawaii right now. Sitting across from Abercrombie. 2h to find out why he couldn't find birth doc.


Don't know if it is recent or an old one.

See greenie beat me to it.


It's recent britty.

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@daveweigel @JosephFarah Is it mere coincidence or did the airline issue them side by side seats in the moron section?

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what does that tweet mean? He's flying to Hawaii now? On the plane? Seated next to Abercrombie?

WTF is he talking about?


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And now for something completely different.

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Meet the Obama Love Letter Truthers

By David Weigel

| Posted Friday, May 18, 2012, at 11:09 AM ET

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David Maraniss's upcoming Obama: The Story will present some problems for the president's skeptics and conspiracy theorists. Maraniss, who started profiling Obama for the Washington Post five years ago, dug up reams of new information about his subject and his ancestors. At the start of this month, Vanity Fair excerpted some chapters about Obama's college years, featuring love letters from the 21-year old future politician. They were tooth-achingly pretentious. But they were eloquent. They appeared to deep-six the theory that Obama was a simp whose famous works had been ghosted by Bill Ayers.

Or not. Jack Cashill, the author who's done the most to further that theory (convincing Andy McCarthy and intriguing the late Andrew Breitbart), looked at the Maraniss excepts and spotted a new conspiracy.

[W]riting longhand, presumably from memory, Obama has the wherewithal to put an umlaut over the “u” in Münzer. In college, I was an Honors English student and a Classics minor, not a political science major like Obama. I had not even heard of Münzer before reading this letter.

That Obama could embark upon a sophisticated, spontaneous discussion of T.S. Eliot – he claimed not to have read “The Waste Land” for a year and never bothered “to check all the footnotes” – should have alerted Maraniss.

Nowhere in “Dreams [from My Father]" is there any mention of T.S. Eliot, Münzer or Yeats.



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http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/ ... thers.html


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Jerry Corsi flying to Hawaii right now. Sitting across from whom? Gov. Abercrombie. 2 hours to find out why he couldn't find that birth doc.
:roll:


2 hours to Hawaii?? Where's he flying from?


A little place known as... The Twilight Zone.

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Meet the Obama Love Letter Truthers

By David Weigel

| Posted Friday, May 18, 2012, at 11:09 AM ET


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"It is preposterous on its face," wrote Maraniss in an e-mail, "utterly made of whole cloth. It is not worth taking seriously, in my opinion, and fruitless in any case with people who want to believe what they want to believe, despite all facts and common sense to the contrary, but: Who could have concocted letters that would reveal such prosaic and intimate things as his work at the Fire Department, who he was staying with when he got back from Hawaii to New York, the precise addresses of his apartments, his observations in Singapore[?]"


Cue Birther wailings over this just-mentioned trip to Singapore in 3...2...1...

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Who could have concocted letters that would reveal such prosaic and intimate things as his work at the Fire Department


Did we know he worked at the Fire Department? If so, doing what?

Just pre-ordered the book for my Kindle...

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Jerry Corsi flying to Hawaii right now. Sitting across from whom? Gov. Abercrombie. 2 hours to find out why he couldn't find that birth doc.
:roll:


2 hours to Hawaii?? Where's he flying from?


Maybe it took him 3 hours to convince the guy sitting next to Abercrombie to switch seats.

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[W]riting longhand, presumably from memory, Obama has the wherewithal to put an umlaut over the “u” in Münzer. In college, I was an Honors English student and a Classics minor, not a political science major like Obama. I had not even heard of Münzer before reading this letter.

That Obama could embark upon a sophisticated, spontaneous discussion of T.S. Eliot – he claimed not to have read “The Waste Land” for a year and never bothered “to check all the footnotes” – should have alerted Maraniss.

Nowhere in “Dreams [from My Father]" is there any mention of T.S. Eliot, Münzer or Yeats.


It's all about the freakin' umlaut! \:D/


Umlauts in longhand are easy.

A professor grades the letter: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/05/gr ... e-ese.html

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Bennett said in a radio interview last night that Hawaii responded to his request by asking for a copy of the Arizna law that authorizes him to ask for the information.


This took me by surprise at first; I figured it would take just as many keystrokes to say 'Yes, he was born here, you numbskull,' as it would to request for his legal authorization.

But it seems that Bennett's request was more than what it was previously made out to be. From TPM (which has a great photo of Bennett at the top):

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On Thursday, Bennett said he sent his request to Hawaii officials eight weeks ago but has yet to get the proof he was hoping for. He said he didn’t want another copy of the birth certificate. He wants Hawaii to give him what he described as “a verification in lieu of a certified copy of a birth certificate.”


That says a lot, I think. Bennett wasn't just asking for some courtesy confirmation; he was making a very particular statutory request. For a document that only certain people are entitled to get.

In fact, that Bennett was aware of which Hawaiian law to cite suggests that he's a bit deeper into this than he'd previously indicated. It's like listening to someone claim that they're new to Birther claims...and then hearing them name-drop Vattel or Minor v Happersett.

Regarding Hawaii's response:

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In the weeks since then, Bennett said, Hawaii officials have forced him to provide proof that he is who he says he is. They asked him to send them copies of the Arizona laws that prove the secretary of state really is the person in charge of handling the ballots. Admittedly, Bennett said they told him they were “tired of all the requests.” But he is continuing anyway.


It's possible the Hawaiian law in question might actually allow him to get a verification. But it sounds like he's handling the request about as competently as we'd expect your average Birther to.

And he's already laying the groundwork for the eventuality of putting Obama on the ballot anyway:

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“That’s possible,” Bennett said. “Or the other option would be I would ask all of candidates, including the president, maybe to submit a certified copy of their birth certificate. But I don’t want to do that.”


TPM also has the audio of the interview up.

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The audio is here on Political Wire as well:

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/ ... ml#047993a

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Jerry Corsi flying to Hawaii right now. Sitting across from whom? Gov. Abercrombie. 2 hours to find out why he couldn't find that birth doc.
:roll:


How much does WND spend on travel expenses? Yesterday morning, when he was on Peter Boyles' show, Corsi said he was flying out of Arizona.

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[imgwidth=]http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2012/05/ken-bennett-arizona-cropped-proto-custom_28.jpg[/imgwidth]

Bennett, who hopes to be the next Governor of Arizona.

I love that the RWNJ radio host's name is "Broomhead".

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Jerry Corsi flying to Hawaii right now. Sitting across from whom? Gov. Abercrombie. 2 hours to find out why he couldn't find that birth doc.
:roll:


How much does WND spend on travel expenses? Yesterday morning, when he was on Peter Boyles' show, Corsi said he was flying out of Arizona.


After Abercrombie schools him on the concept of limited government*, Farah should head back to Arizona and tell Bennett how it works.

* Hawai'ian law prevented Abercrombie from releasing the LFBC and Arizona law doesn't give Bennett the authority to ask Hawai'i for anything.

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Now wait a minute. Doesn't Abercrombie travel with a multitude of security men? Hell, Rick Perry's security detail while he's romped around the world on junkets and ran the laugh fest for Prezdent cost the taxpayers of Texas nearly a million bucks.

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