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Curious Blue · **Posted:** Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:28 pm

Patricia wrote:

Trouble is, the guy said he got it from the HOSPITAL, and that's not a government document, which is ostensibly the reason the ad was pulled.

If he got it from the "hospital", then it woudn't be certified, would it?

Here is what a REAL Kenya birth certificate looks like, for a child born in 2008:
[linkbtn]2008 Kenya birth certificate,http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jRvlFM1pt4g/SdL55PDRlgI/AAAAAAAADBE/bxFKeyKWEpk/s1600-h/101_9889.JPG[/linkbtn]
[linkbtn]Source,http://americanafricans.blogspot.com/2009/04/kenyan-birth-certificate.html[/linkbtn]

You will note that it is issued by the "Republic of Kenya" -- not Nairobi Hospital where the child was born. Because births in Kenya are recorded with the Registrar of Births (see Kenya Births and Deaths Registration Act, CAP 149), there would be no reason for a hospital to keep birth records 45+ years down the line, and certainly not to keep them in a manner where they would be readily available to casual inquirers.

Smithereens · **Posted:** Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:07 am

That 2008 Kenyan BC would never pass muster with the birfers. It has less information than the Hawaii COLB. Where is the time of birth? Where are the parents race? And why does the date of birth say 25/09/08, while the certificate was made out on 24/03/08? How could they make out a BC for a child that wasn't even born for 6 months? Obviously that birth certificate is a fake, and my name isn't even Polarik.

I'm sure they were more advanced back in 1961, when the BC was carved in a stone tablet.
=))

Patricia · **Joined:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:28 pm **Posts:** 1271

Youtube-said-so wrote:

Quote:

WND is no different than MSNBC

If you comparing MSM to WND, Fox news is by far the closest.

No, I was comparison a right-wing so-called news organization with a left-wing so-called news organization.

nbc · **Joined:** Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:38 am **Posts:** 2529

24/03/2009

Or actually 202009. So Barack did come from the future..

Smithereens wrote:

That 2008 Kenyan BC would never pass muster with the birfers. It has less information than the Hawaii COLB. Where is the time of birth? Where are the parents race? And why does the date of birth say 25/09/08, while the certificate was made out on 24/03/08? How could they make out a BC for a child that wasn't even born for 6 months? Obviously that birth certificate is a fake, and my name isn't even Polarik.

I'm sure they were more advanced back in 1961, when the BC was carved in a stone tablet.
=))

neonzx · **Joined:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 am **Posts:** 4216

Patricia wrote:

Youtube-said-so wrote:

Quote:

WND is no different than MSNBC

If you comparing MSM to WND, Fox news is by far the closest.

No, I was comparison a right-wing so-called news organization with a left-wing so-called news organization.

Um, you may compare MSNBC against FoxNews with the left-right thing, but WND does not qualify as "news" and is extremely far-right. I'm sitting here trying to think of a so-called news site which would be its equivalent on the far-left, and I'm coming up empty. Anyone?

Patricia · **Joined:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:28 pm **Posts:** 1271

neonzx wrote:

Patricia wrote:

Youtube-said-so wrote:

Quote:

WND is no different than MSNBC

If you comparing MSM to WND, Fox news is by far the closest.

No, I was comparison a right-wing so-called news organization with a left-wing so-called news organization.

Um, you may compare MSNBC against FoxNews with the left-right thing, but WND does not qualify as "news" and is extremely far-right. I'm sitting here trying to think of a so-called news site which would be its equivalent on the far-left, and I'm coming up empty. Anyone?

WND calls ITSELF a news organization (it's right in that piece). That was the starting point of my comparison.

Edit: Specifically, the story said this: "For example, currently WND is the only news organization in the world that is vigorously pursuing the Obama eligibility story."

Youtube-said-so · **Posted:** Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:34 am

Patricia wrote:

Youtube-said-so wrote:

Quote:

WND is no different than MSNBC

If you comparing MSM to WND, Fox news is by far the closest.

No, I was comparison a right-wing so-called news organization with a left-wing so-called news organization.

WND is not a news organization. I don't see the comparisons one bit. How much has WND talked about Gov. Mark Sanford affair? compared to MSNBC 24/7 Bill/Lewinsky affair coverage or John Edwards stupidity?

neonzx · **Joined:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 am **Posts:** 4216

Patricia wrote:

Edit: Specifically, the story said this: "For example, currently WND is the only news organization in the world that is vigorously pursuing the Obama eligibility story."

Patricia, that's because it's not a legitimate "story". "Vigorously pursuing" conspiracy theories does not make them a news organization. It's junk tabloid reporting with an agenda to harm Obama's presidency.

nbc · **Joined:** Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:38 am **Posts:** 2529

Quote:

WND calls ITSELF a news organization (it's right in that piece). That was the starting point of my comparison.

I can call myself an expert, doesn't make me one. Surely, in order to understand if their claims hold water, one would do some minimal research into them?
Or are claims to be accepted as facts?

greatkim · **Joined:** Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:05 pm **Posts:** 610

Terrib wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102493

Quote:

Investigator who traveled to Africa 'skeptical' document is real deal

Posted: June 28, 2009
8:29 pm Eastern

By Drew Zahn
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

At least one investigator, who has traveled to Africa and sought the birth certificate from the very same hospital, however, told WND he remains "skeptical" of the eBay auction's claims.
WND's senior staff writer, Jerome Corsi, traveled to Kenya in 2008 to look into Obama's past and remaining ties to the nation.

While there, however, immigration authorities detained Corsi and his publicist – holding them under armed guard and without food – to prevent Corsi from holding a news conference revealing what he had discovered, eventually requiring thousands of dollars in bribes to set the writer free.

Corsi told WND that despite contacts in government offices, the help of others and even the offer of financial reward, the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa would not confirm Obama's birth there nor provide access to records.

"When I was there, I tried to get records from that hospital, but I couldn't do it," Corsi said. "The hospital either had no records or wouldn't release them.

Aha !

Is this the first admission by FARAH that he is DIRECTLY involved into the conspiracy from the beginning ?
He seems to stress the fact Corsi acted as a WND "senior staffer" and was there precisely to obtain the BC.

I assume he was then arrested when it became clear he was there to MOUNT the conspiracy.

Are these people sour about their failed October surprise ?

rajah · **Posted:** Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:39 am

How could WND be a credible news outlet. They don't even show the footy results
Dick

Youtube-said-so · **Posted:** Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:20 am

rajah wrote:

How could WND be a credible news outlet. They don't even show the footy results
Dick

"footy" coverage in the states. =))

neonzx · **Joined:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 am **Posts:** 4216

Sweet. Now the ebay seller has a new listing,

http://tinyurl.com/lq9zby

But this time, he is not offering the BC...

Quote:

THE TRUTH ABOUT USA PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II

I've written a dissertation about the physical birth (which took place on August 4th, 1961) of United States President Barack Hussein Obama II. This is what you are bidding on.

You are welcome to pay for my dissertation via Paypal, as eBay prefers and essentially stipulates.

You are however welcome to view my dissertation, in person, before making your payment. Feel free to bring along with you a forensic examiner to authenticate my dissertation.

You may refuse payment should you find that my dissertation is without merit. Upon request (during in-person viewing of dissertation) all supporting evidence will be made available to you.

Winning bidder is invited to view my dissertation, in a face to face meeting with me, on the steps of the Iowa Capital Building. The Iowa Capital Building is located at East 12th & Grand, Des Moines, Iowa 50319.

Message me with any questions that you might have regarding this auction. I reserve the right to not answer specific questions who's answers would no doubt be wallpapered across the internet by breakfast time. I will however reply to all questions, time permitting. My replies may contain specific answers, and they may not. This will be at my discretion.

If the need arises I may be contacted via telephone. Contact me via Ebay message if you believe that your question or questions merit a phone call.

International bidders are welcome.

If you would prefer the dissertation to be shipped to you this will be done free of charge. International shipping will be a flat fee of $75.00. All shipping will be insured, and overnight via USPS, UPS, or FEDEX. You pick.

HAPPY BIDDING !!!

I see it has 3 bids already. Do birthers know what dissertations are? :lol:

rajah · **Posted:** Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:50 am

Youtube-said-so wrote:

rajah wrote:

How could WND be a credible news outlet. They don't even show the footy results
Dick

"footy" coverage in the states. =))

Yes the fair dinkum game, Rugby , League or Union
Dick

editorkorir · **Posted:** Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:28 am

[linkbtn]Orly thinks we hacked WND,http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=2642#comments[/linkbtn] "I just talke to Joseph Farah from WND and he confirmed, they are under major cyber attack:"

Truth Shall Prevail says:
June 28, 2009 at 8:25 pm
It is probably Sue and that bunch of Obot friends of hers doing their dirty work on Joe.

RobK says:
June 29, 2009 at 12:36 am
I can almost guarantee which web site is responsible for alot of this. It is a blog site called Democraticunderground.com
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And, regarding the BC, the "only Obama can afford to but it" theory is starting to take hold:

Denise Hoagland says:
June 28, 2009 at 10:29 pm
The birth certificate auction is back on eBay....I can only assume obama or his henchmen will be the only ones able to afford this

Jackie in Missouri says:
June 29, 2009 at 12:11 am
My thoughts exactly! What’s to stop Obama or a surragate from buying it, then it will be gone forever

Officer, it was Sue and that bunch of Obot friends of hers. They is a menace to us patriotic Birfers.

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:36 am

neonzx wrote:

Sweet. Now the ebay seller has a new listing,

But this time, he is not offering the BC...

Quote:

THE TRUTH ABOUT USA PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II

I've written a dissertation about the physical birth (which took place on August 4th, 1961) of United States President Barack Hussein Obama II. This is what you are bidding on.

You are welcome to pay for my dissertation via Paypal, as eBay prefers and essentially stipulates.

I see it has 3 bids already. Do birthers know what dissertations are? :lol:

If it is a doctoral dissertation at an accredited American university and if it has been successfully defended and thus accepted for credit towards a degree, then there is a very powerful expectation in academia that an abstract of the dissertation will be published through

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[center]Dissertation Abstracts International (DAI)[/center]
Virtually all accredited institutions in North America that award doctoral degrees submit their dissertations to ProQuest for publication or listing in DAI. The listings provide:

Bibliographic citations that include title, author name, degree- granting university, year awarded, number of pages, and ProQuest order number. Since 1988, most DAI entries have also included the name of the dissertation adviser, committee chair, etc. Titles published from 1980 forward include author abstract 350-word, written by the authors.

Monthly issues of DAI include approximately 5,000 new entries from North America, grouped by subject and printed in two separate sections: Section A, Humanities and Social Sciences Section B, Sciences and Engineering.

DAI Section C, Worldwide, covers non-North American materials, most of them unavailable for purchase from ProQuest. It is published quarterly as a separate volume.

Occasionally a department or student may not submit a dissertation to ProQuest, so DAI is not 100% inclusive. However, we estimate that 95% to 98% of all U. S. doctoral dissertations are included. DAI is the most current of the printed sources for the ProQuest Dissertations & Theses database. Published monthly and cumulated annually, it is available both in softcover and on microfiche.

The full text of dissertations is available at [linkbtn]UMI Dissertations Publishing,http://www.proquest.com/en-US/products/dissertations/[/linkbtn] Many are available on [linkbtn]Google Scholar,http://www.proquest.com/en-US/products/dissertations/google.shtml[/linkbtn] The company performs a service for academia, but it is not supported by academia. It does collect fees for its services. Publication of abstracts and full-text is not immediate.

ProQuest does not charge $1,000,000,000 or even $1,000,000 for a copy of a dissertation. However, academic and corporate institutions are the subscribers, not individuals, among other things seeking to ensure responsible use of a product (e.g., no publication of a plagiarized work). [AKA, the elite control access.]

There is one problem: ProQuest does not deliver the vault paper copy of a dissertation. It stores and delivers only a photocopy. Sometimes no paper copy has ever existed.

This "dissertation" may never make its way to ProQuest. Some people use the word to describe a "really long piece" or a "really scholarly piece" without ever bothering to enroll in graduate school. There are also stories of prospective students shopping "dissertations" from school to school, hoping that someone will admit them and award them a degree. I once dealt with such a document sent in over the transom by a man living in New Delhi who had developed a plan for peace in Kashmir. He did not intend to reveal his plan to the world until an American university recognized him by awarding a PhD.

Epectitus · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:55 pm **Posts:** 2354

Email from the Ebay seller:

Quote:

Hi, thank you for your recent note and continued support. You are appreciated! I am in contact with different attorneys as well as WND. Take a look eBay item number 160345324422. Entitled "THE TRUTH ABOUT USA PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II". You'll have to search via listing number until it becomes searchable by auction name.

realist · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:33 pm **Posts:** 23519

Epectitus wrote:

Email from the Ebay seller:

Quote:

Hi, thank you for your recent note and continued support. You are appreciated! I am in contact with different attorneys as well as WND. Take a look eBay item number 160345324422. Entitled "THE TRUTH ABOUT USA PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II". You'll have to search via listing number until it becomes searchable by auction name.

In other words, no one sees it until money is deposited in my Swiss bank account and I'm out of the country with my money before you discover it is a fake. :lol:

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:05 am

Epectitus wrote:

Email from the Ebay seller:

Quote:

Hi, thank you for your recent note and continued support. You are appreciated! I am in contact with different attorneys as well as WND. Take a look eBay item number 160345324422. Entitled "THE TRUTH ABOUT USA PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II". You'll have to search via listing number until it becomes searchable by auction name.

Actually, "THE TRUTH ABOUT USA PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II" could very well be an exhaustive study of the various claims that have been made, including copies of all the "birth certificates" that have floated around, and a thorough debunking of the claims. The "TRUTH" could very well be what is already known to be the truth: Obama is thoroughly eligible to serve as POTUS.

Has the seller ever made a claim to the contrary, that "this will bring Obama down?" This could be a rather vicious way for someone who is deeply angry at the Birthers to separate them from a goodly portion of their money. It will also boil more than a few Birther brains and set up a PR nightmare with their 237 devoted followers. One of them ought to check in a Proquest member library to see if a copy can be examined there without cost.

The Onion could be intensely following this story.

Patricia · **Joined:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:28 pm **Posts:** 1271

Youtube-said-so wrote:

Patricia wrote:

Youtube-said-so wrote:

Quote:

WND is no different than MSNBC

If you comparing MSM to WND, Fox news is by far the closest.

No, I was comparison a right-wing so-called news organization with a left-wing so-called news organization.

WND is not a news organization. I don't see the comparisons one bit. How much has WND talked about Gov. Mark Sanford affair? compared to MSNBC 24/7 Bill/Lewinsky affair coverage or John Edwards stupidity?

You are not understanding me.

1. I am a conservative.
2. The WND story said this: "For example, currently WND is the only news organization in the world that is vigorously pursuing the Obama eligibility story."
3. I am a conservative.
4. I said WND is a news organization like MSNBC is a news organization.
5. I am a conservative.
6. I suggest you read viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1346&start=75#p42456 again, in which I am speaking to or addressing WND.
7. I am a conservative.

Patricia · **Joined:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:28 pm **Posts:** 1271

neonzx wrote:

Patricia wrote:

Youtube-said-so wrote:

Quote:

WND is no different than MSNBC

If you comparing MSM to WND, Fox news is by far the closest.

No, I was comparison a right-wing so-called news organization with a left-wing so-called news organization.

Um, you may compare MSNBC against FoxNews with the left-right thing, but WND does not qualify as "news" and is extremely far-right. I'm sitting here trying to think of a so-called news site which would be its equivalent on the far-left, and I'm coming up empty. Anyone?

You are not understanding me.

1. I am a conservative.
2. The WND story said this: "For example, currently WND is the only news organization in the world that is vigorously pursuing the Obama eligibility story."
3. I am a conservative.
4. I said WND is a news organization like MSNBC is a news organization.
5. I am a conservative.
6. I suggest you read viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1346&start=75#p42456 again, in which I am speaking to or addressing WND.
7. I am a conservative.

Patricia · **Joined:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:28 pm **Posts:** 1271

neonzx wrote:

Patricia wrote:

Edit: Specifically, the story said this: "For example, currently WND is the only news organization in the world that is vigorously pursuing the Obama eligibility story."

Patricia, that's because it's not a legitimate "story". "Vigorously pursuing" conspiracy theories does not make them a news organization. It's junk tabloid reporting with an agenda to harm Obama's presidency.

You are not understanding me.

1. I am a conservative.
2. The WND story said this: "For example, currently WND is the only news organization in the world that is vigorously pursuing the Obama eligibility story."
3. I am a conservative.
4. I said WND is a news organization like MSNBC is a news organization.
5. I am a conservative.
6. I suggest you read viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1346&start=75#p42456 again, in which I am speaking to or addressing WND.
7. I am a conservative.

Patricia · **Joined:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:28 pm **Posts:** 1271

nbc wrote:

Quote:

WND calls ITSELF a news organization (it's right in that piece). That was the starting point of my comparison.

I can call myself an expert, doesn't make me one. Surely, in order to understand if their claims hold water, one would do some minimal research into them?
Or are claims to be accepted as facts?

You are not understanding me.

1. I am a conservative.
2. The WND story said this: "For example, currently WND is the only news organization in the world that is vigorously pursuing the Obama eligibility story."
3. I am a conservative.
4. I said WND is a news organization like MSNBC is a news organization.
5. I am a conservative.
6. I suggest you read viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1346&start=75#p42456 again, in which I am speaking to or addressing WND.
7. I am a conservative.

Adelante · **Posted:** Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:31 am

Quote:

BORN IN THE USA?
Hawaii paper turns down ad probing Obama's birth
Star-Bulletin publisher rejects full-page, full-rate display 'because it is political'
Posted: June 28, 2009
9:45 pm Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

WASHINGTON – In the latest effort to obtain information that could settle the controversy over Barack Obama's eligibility for office as a "natural born citizen," WND Editor and Chief Executive Officer Joseph Farah attempted to buy a full-page ad in a Honolulu daily newspaper soliciting assistance in finding documentary evidence of his birth in the city Aug. 4, 1961, as he claims in his autobiography.

Despite offering the full rate of $7,168.50 plus taxes for a full-page, color ad on page 2 of the news section of the Honolulu Star-Bulletin next Monday, the copy was rejected – the latest turndown by a growing list of media companies that won't touch the birth certificate issue even for money.

"I spoke to my publisher and unfortunately we cannot accept the ad because it is political," explained Cyd Kamakea, classified advertising manager.

-snip

The ad copy was headlined: "Help Wanted: Information leading to the truth about Barack Obama's birth."

The entire contents of the ad is reprinted below:

WorldNetDaily seeks information, both material and anecdotal, which will reveal the entire truth regarding the circumstances of the birth of President Barack Hussein Obama.

1. We seek the original Hawaiian "vault record of birth" for Obama, if one exists;
2. We seek the certificate number of the original "vault record of birth" for Obama, if one exists;

3. We seek original or certified copies of older vault indexes, for the year 1961, where the name Obama may or may not appear on the vault list or records index;

4. We seek evidence and testimony from anyone who may have witnessed Obama's birth – in Hawaii or elsewhere;

5. We seek Hawaiian hospital records and testimony from attending doctors, nurses and others who may have actual knowledge and evidence regarding Obama, which will either prove or disprove a Hawaiian birth;

6. We seek to know if the Hawaiian state records show a Kenyan or other foreign record of birth for Obama and was perhaps reregistered in Hawaii, which was previously legal in Hawaii for limited purposes in 1961;

7. We especially seek the testimony of genealogists, archivists, records clerks, investigators, and others who may have unique knowledge of the original Obama birth records from 1961;

8. We seek unimpeachable physical evidence and testimony, and you will be asked to submit to interviews and a polygraph test. Your identity will not be revealed to the press without your permission;

9. We will negotiate a fair reward for your information, evidence and testimony.

Please contact Joseph Farah, editor and chief executive officer of WorldNetDaily, by emailing him – jfarah@wnd.com

Continues with the usual folderol.

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:58 am

nbc wrote:

Quote:

WND calls ITSELF a news organization (it's right in that piece). That was the starting point of my comparison.

I can call myself an expert, doesn't make me one. Surely, in order to understand if their claims hold water, one would do some minimal research into them?
Or are claims to be accepted as facts?

Perhaps much to the surprise of a conservative, a sociologist would side with Patricia on this one. The discussion on this thread about what is implied to be "real news" (and over on the Michael Jackson thread) assumes that "news" has reality apart from the audience that receives it. Audiences define what is news, so the stories about Michael's death or about Obama's latest Kenyan birth certificate are as equally valid as news as is something in the NYT about the strong association between adult-onset diabetes and obstructive sleep apnea.

The powerful question is not whether WND or MSNBC are news outlets or whether they even intend to publish the "news." The powerful questions are (a) is what they publish factual and complete?, (b) is the argument in the article logical?, and (c) do they have an audience that wants to hear what they say and what distinguishes that audience? Labeling something as "news" or "not-news" does nothing to advance that discussion. In fact, applying labels does little to advance any discussions.

Even the most respected newspapers have regularly published false and incomplete stories, perhaps even knowingly. The Jayson Blair episode at the NYT is an example of unknowing publication of false stories. I think the following was an example of a knowingly false article that was published in the NYT with the intent of planting an idea in the minds of the public:
[linkbtn]Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles,http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/us/13vets.html[/linkbtn]
This article and the dozens spawned from it are now used in statistics and research methods classes as an excellent contemporary example of the truth that while figures do not lie, liars do figure. Despite diligent searches, I have yet to find the Ombudsman calling this article out for its statistical distortions.

Are WND and MSNBC more in the business of using their words and images as an attempt to sway public opinion and even to plant false ideas than is, say, CNN? I would say yes. In fact, I wish that Chris Matthews would take a cue from Rachel Maddow: the main person speaking during an interview should not be the interviewer. Do I get my news from Keith Olbermann? Not on your life. Do I expect the WND to become a fair and balanced news outlet? No, mainly because I think such a goal is meaningless. Do I think that it is possible for a news outlet to cause harm? Yes. I think the NYT did so with its scurrilous piece on a far larger scale than can WND or MSNBC.

"The news" is a social construction, not an abstract reality. Some of us prefer one social construction; others, another. In all cases, our task needs to be ascertaining the truth and completeness of a story. Nothing is gained by labeling a story "not-news."

Falsehoods unchallenged only fester and grow.

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