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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:07 am 
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Supposedly, at some point in that 6-month initial investigation, the CCCP decided that forgery had been committed. That would have removed it from the civil realm.

Were I investigating that, and had I (had a lobotomy) and come to their conclusion, I would have gone to Hawaii to interview anyone who might have information about the supposed forgery. And no, I would not have called ahead. It's too easy for people to hang up on you, it's harder for them to dismiss you when you're camping in their lobby.

But that's just me.

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I'm still waiting for the "Whitey" tape and the video of the Obama-Keyes debate where Barack Obama admits his Kenyan birth.

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Supposedly, at some point in that 6-month initial investigation, the CCCP decided that forgery had been committed. That would have removed it from the civil realm.

Were I investigating that, and had I (had a lobotomy) and come to their conclusion, I would have gone to Hawaii to interview anyone who might have information about the supposed forgery. And no, I would not have called ahead. It's too easy for people to hang up on you, it's harder for them to dismiss you when you're camping in their lobby.

But that's just me.


Fair enough. Once the investigation ceased to be simply inquisitive, and began operating on the *presumption* of forgery (including the necessary collaboration of Hawaiian officials themselves), then yeah, an in-person visit would be justified.

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Um what jurisdictional authority does the Maricopa Sheriff have in Hawaii? Exactly none. If they truly were concerned about criminal activity, they should have turned it over to the FBI. Which they will never do, because this is all bullshit, always has been, and always will be, forever and ever, Amen.

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I'm still waiting for the "Whitey" tape and the video of the Obama-Keyes debate where Barack Obama admits his Kenyan birth.

Don't worry. The "Whitey" tape and the person who was holding it will never again be seen. Same goes for the unaltered debate tape. No tapes, no witnesses, and no intact bodies.

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Geraldo Rivera Says "Birthers" Are "All Smoking Crack" -- True?
By Matthew Hendley Wed., May 30 2012 at 7:00 AM

Geraldo Rivera reminded us yesterday that he's still alive, after telling conspiracy-theorist Lord Christopher Monckton that he and the rest of the "birthers" are "all smoking crack together." =)) =))

Monckton, not surprisingly, was just in Surprise on Monday to talk to the "Surprise Tea Party Patriots," with donations going to Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio's Cold Case Posse.

Monckton, another individual who denies being a "birther," told Rivera there are "clear irregularities in the document," that document, of course, being President Obama's birth certificate.

While Monckton was talking up "birther"-ism and Arpaio, the guest from the left chimed in -- Adam Peck from Think Progress -- saying the "notion that Sheriff Joe Arpaio is one of the United States' preeminent sheriffs is like saying Chef Boyardee is one of the nation's preeminent cooks."
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Your memory is excellent. The printer was s'posably a fully functional 1960 Heidelberger printing press located at a print museum in Toronto, Canada.

That's Heidelberg. No er. Otherwise your recollection is excellent.

One thing that always struck kinda funny about this is that there would be no reason to go to a museum. Heidelbergs are the [name your marvel of German engineering] of the printing world. There must be scores of printing establishments in North America that still have one or more treasured and still fully functioning Heidelbergs of an appropriate vintage.

(That's assuming that anyone had any meaningful notion of what an "original" was supposed to be, let alone an explanation why an "original" would have any more probative value than a certified copy.

In fact, that's the thing here, right? The birthers hallucinate that Obama must be engaged in all sorts of forgerating, because they believe he knows -- as they do -- that his "true" papers either don't exist or contain some damning secret. They don't realize that they are alone in this reality. Nobody else shares it.

Obama knows his 2007 COLB is correct, accurate, sufficient, and true. Why would he then go about forgering?

This is one of the angles from which I deplore the release of the LFBC -- that event, not the BC itself (although it too), was destined to be misconstrued as a defensive move by Obama. Of course it was nothing of the kind, and he could care less about the Corsi/Arpaio/wingnut-expert analyses. They simply don't matter -- not only because they're stupid and wrong, but because the LFBC wasn't even presented for their approval. It was presented for the single, simple expedient of getting the national press corps back to asking questions about policy.)

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The original release of the short form birth certificate on the campaign Web site was also a mistake, IMHO. There are indeed some things that cannot be ignored in a campaign, but this one should have been. I recognize that there would be Birthers around today even if that had not happened, but Orly might never have appeared in the MSM. That would have been a blessing.

Of course, I recognized this long after the deed was done.

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Further to my previous post: New analogy.

The Arpaio/CCPZullo "Investigation" is like someone arguing that the result of Superbowl XLVI should be overturned because Bradshaw's end-zone dance was ripped off from someone else's moves -- based on examining the interlacing in a copy of a bootleg VCR recording.

A - The video interlacing says nothing about the provenance of the dance moves
B - Even if it did, an end-zone dance has no effect on the game outcome
C - Even if it did ... well, it's just stupid.

But if they can portray the Giants as dirty rotten scoundrels.....! It might affect the advertising support or fandom in the future, diminishing the franchise..............................

Yep, it's a smear.

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TollandRCR wrote:
The original release of the short form birth certificate on the campaign Web site was also a mistake, IMHO. There are indeed some things that cannot be ignored in a campaign, but this one should have been. I recognize that there would be Birthers around today even if that had not happened, but Orly might never have appeared in the MSM. That would have been a blessing.

Of course, I recognized this long after the deed was done.


Had I been a WH political strategist, I would have made a fool of Nathan Deal in 2010, when he was pandering to the birfers. I would have announced to the press, "In response to voluminous GOP requests, the President is providing a copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate to Rep. Nathan Deal, to be sent directly from the Hawaii DOH. The tracking number is..... If Rep. Deal has any questions, the White House respectfully requests that he direct them to Gov. Lingle, who can be reached at...."

The BC would have been the standard, "short form" seen in 2008. Let Deal explain why it's unacceptable.


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My birthday is 6/14 and it's a big one! How to celebrate? Your BEST idea gets you a seat at the table with some of my Hollywood supporters..


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:x Steven Segal! He's the only Hollywood jock I know who supports Sheriff BigBalls.

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:x Steven Segal! He's the only Hollywood jock I know who supports Sheriff BigBalls.

Oh I bet he could wrangle up a Chuck Norris or Victoria Jackson... Lol

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Exsqueeze me for not being as up to date as I used ta was, but did I read correctly several pages ago that Corsi is ackshully Gay? Eww. Just...Ewwwwww.

I ask because if that's true I'ma turn in my union card and join a monastery or sumpin'. I mean, I can't turn straight, even as much as I lurves my pretend GF, (Hi, Kate! :-* ) but if Corsi's GAY? I need to find a new team to play for. I mean...goats amuse the hell out of me, but I question the possibilty of a true emotional attachment, y'know? (Seriously, goats crack me up, I don't know why, but I always laugh.)

Wait!...I could go to the Council and get his Rainbow Card revoked! :-k (What? You didn't know we had those? Pfft, fricken breeders.) :roll: :mrgreen:

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Exsqueeze me for not being as up to date as I used ta was, but did I read correctly several pages ago that Corsi is ackshully Gay? Eww. Just...Ewwwwww.

I ask because if that's true I'ma turn in my union card and join a monastery or sumpin'. I mean, I can't turn straight, even as much as I lurves my pretend GF, (Hi, Kate! :-* ) but if Corsi's GAY? I need to find a new team to play for. I mean...goats amuse the hell out of me, but I question the possibilty of a true emotional attachment, y'know? (Seriously, goats crack me up, I don't know why, but I always laugh.)

Wait!...I could go to the Council and get his Rainbow Card revoked! :-k (What? You didn't know we had those? Pfft, fricken breeders.) :roll: :mrgreen:


Despite the fact that Corsi seems to have his hands firmly up the arses of Joe Arpaio and Mike Zullo, we have no evidence Corsi has any attraction towards other males. (no matter how homoerotic some of his behaviour can be at times).

Personally I suspect Corsi's tastes run more towards livestock and small pets than other men, but that's just me.

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Well, if we take the new common definition of Gay as meaning really really stupid, it fits...

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Estiveo wrote:
Exsqueeze me for not being as up to date as I used ta was, but did I read correctly several pages ago that Corsi is ackshully Gay? Eww. Just...Ewwwwww.

I ask because if that's true I'ma turn in my union card and join a monastery or sumpin'. I mean, I can't turn straight, even as much as I lurves my pretend GF, (Hi, Kate! :-* ) but if Corsi's GAY? I need to find a new team to play for. I mean...goats amuse the hell out of me, but I question the possibilty of a true emotional attachment, y'know? (Seriously, goats crack me up, I don't know why, but I always laugh.)

Wait!...I could go to the Council and get his Rainbow Card revoked! :-k (What? You didn't know we had those? Pfft, fricken breeders.) :roll: :mrgreen:


Corsi is straight; I believe the person in question was just making a "joke" at our expense using the same type of innuendo Corsi does to make a statement that people will think "Oh wait he's (X)?" when the statement itself doesn't ever say so.

Sort of like the statements in many peoples signatures here about "Is Orly disbarred? I don't know if Orly is disbarred but if I find out whether Orly is disbarred I will tell you whether Orly is disbarred."

As I responded to the original "joke", conservatives heap enough scorn on us, let them keep Corsi.

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I can't find the Corsi thread ...

Corsi's going to be on WOR radio this afternoon, 4-6 pm eastern, on the Gov. David Paterson program. There's an article in WND here. The email announcement said Corsi was going to "school" the governor on eligibility.

You can stream WOR here.

I think it would be cool to call in ... :twisted:

Edit: ETA: Apparently Corsi will be on at 5 pm.

Paterson spent the first few minutes bashing the news outlets, including WND, for printing that he thought Obama was not born in the US and "got away with it." He played a portion of what he actually said, which, of course, was the opposite of what the WND moron wrote in the unsigned story.

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Loren wrote:
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Birth-certificate 'surprise' in October?

Several other things of note here:

- One might think that information about the President's attempts to forge a birth certificate might be kept on a need-to-know basis. Yet someone's still blabbing to Corsi's "source," even after the articles he published last year, claiming he had a source.

- Corsi claimed last year that the source had to stay anonymous to protect his life. Yet he obviously gave that information to Zullo. And what's Zullo supposed to do with it? Claim that he has an anonymous source? Is this gonna be the "shocking" news? A rehash of an anonymous "source"?


Just how many people have access to the super-duper sekrit "vault"?

Dear "anonymous source" and "anonymous mole". Now that Arpaio has declared this to be a "criminal investigation", good luck staying anonymous.


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Um what jurisdictional authority does the Maricopa Sheriff have in Hawaii? Exactly none. If they truly were concerned about criminal activity, they should have turned it over to the FBI. Which they will never do, because this is all bullshit, always has been, and always will be, forever and ever, Amen.


But, but but now "official law enforcement" is conducting a "real criminal investigation" of the Usurper's BC! It doesn't matter that Arpaio doesn't have jurisdiction. He's American's Toughest Sheriff! Once Arpaio releases the results of the criminal investigation, all of the world will know of Obama's crimes and the federal gov will be forced to arrest Obama, try him for treason and hang him from a tree on the WH lawn.

How can anyone doubt this? Seriously, TF! [-X

It's going to happen! Any. Day. Now!

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Corsi is straight; I believe the person in question was just making a "joke" at our expense using the same type of innuendo Corsi does to make a statement that people will think "Oh wait he's (X)?" when the statement itself doesn't ever say so.

Sort of like the statements in many peoples signatures here about "Is Orly disbarred? I don't know if Orly is disbarred but if I find out whether Orly is disbarred I will tell you whether Orly is disbarred."

As I responded to the original "joke", conservatives heap enough scorn on us, let them keep Corsi.

Thank doG! I was thinking about becoming self-loathing, but you talked me down. :D

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Re: the Corsi on WOR radio thing at 5 pm eastern, you can tweet the show at https://twitter.com/#!/WOR710

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Re: the Corsi on WOR radio thing at 5 pm eastern, you can tweet the show at https://twitter.com/#!/WOR710


The show just started, and Paterson referenced listening to a debate on Coast-to-Coast AM between Corsi and Michael Ruppert.

That must've been some high-density crazy, there.

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Fucking Corsi is lying his fat ass off. I don't know why that pisses me off today. Must be in a surly mood.

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He just accused Paterson of using Saul Alinsky tactics.

What an asshole.

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