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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:18 am 
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Well, raicha, you've not yet seen her "First Amended Daffydavit" which I'm sure will be filed any. day. now. naming SoS Bowen and adding lotsa does, and including her 22,000 pages of new ebidence and daffydavits of all her proposed witlesses, etc.

I bet you'll change your tune then. :P

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Picky, picky. Since when did Orly let facts interfere with her narcissistic hurt feelings?

My question is: Since she names Williams and Hughes as Defendants then does not mention a word about them in her so-call pleadings, can they sue her back for whatever it is called when an attorney misuses the legal system, causing non-lawyers cavalierly named as Defendants to defend themselves against frivolous actions (at a cost, of course)? Isn't there some sort of action available to victims that covers that abuse by an attorney?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:26 am 
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They can ignore it completely and spend zero dollars, with zero risk, IMO.

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Well, raicha, you've not yet seen her "First Amended Daffydavit" which I'm sure will be filed any. day. now. naming SoS Bowen and adding lotsa does, and including her 22,000 pages of new ebidence and daffydavits of all her proposed witlesses, etc.

I bet you'll change your tune then. :P


I sure would. It's too late to amend now. She had a five-day window, which is closed.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:28 am 
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causing non-lawyers cavalierly named as Defendants to defend themselves against frivolous actions

It seems like the Defendants knew how to defend themselves. I'm not sure their defense is going to cost them anything.


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They didn't. They reported that the suit to block certification was denied. The "young associate" who covered the story was Martin Wisckol.

For a woman obsessed about her PR, you'd think she'd recognize the man.


:lol: :lol: She just gave Wisckol a new blog post. I note that he sometimes responds in the comments, and I'll bet that the notion that she thought he was "young" will be too much for him to resist. -xx

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raicha wrote:
They can ignore it completely and spend zero dollars, with zero risk, IMO.

Will the OC Superior Court by itself notice that they are not proper venue but it should have been in Sacramento? Or ought one of the defendants make the hint in their affidavit reply?


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Venue is not a problem. See Elections Code 164401.

Edit: Yeah, that.

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I sure would. It's too late to amend now. She had a five-day window, which is closed.

Uh oh. It's time to pull out my Conflict of Laws hornbook. An amended central pleading is mandatory at Orlylaw.

If the forum state is California on the Planet Earth and the injured party is from the Soviet Sector of Planet Klovia, how does the choice of law analysis proceed?

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This is another point that Taitz failed to learn from the Dunn case. Dunn's lawyers argued that the complaint (which was not a proper affidavit) did not contain essential allegations necessary to Taitz' claims. Taitz would respond that the missing items were contained in her ex parte applications.

Same thing here. The ex parte app said a whole lot of things that were never alleged under oath in an affidavit.

Too late now...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:36 pm 
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raicha wrote:
Venue is not a problem. See Elections Code 164401.

Edit: Yeah, that.

Your ref is to a title "General Elections", mine is to "Primary Elections" #16421. Can we have a judge ruling our argument, please (and please prior to Sept.2012 elections, it's an EMERGENCY!!!)?


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=)) Think Orly needs to start looking for a new assistant who can read instructions and knows how to complete forms. #-o

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I learned from Yulia that San Francisco is outside the State of California. (Amongst other SNAFUs). :idea:

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raicha wrote:
For a woman obsessed about her PR, you'd think she'd recognize the man.


She only notices her own name. This is a woman who can't even remember how to spell the name of a judge in her case, or remember to capitalize "Judge," unless she is just deliberately insulting judges by failing to do so.

In some respects, she is actually not obsessed with her PR. She is obsessed with having her name appear in print or on TV as much as possible, and even if every word of it is calling her an insane idiot, she's happy.

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I bet you'll change your tune then. :P

Yeah...maybe.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:57 pm 
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=)) =)) That's just hilarious.

Paralegal Yulia, of the Law Firm Dim Sum and Yun wrote:
(check) I thereafter mailed (by first-class, postage prepaid) copies of the document to the person to be served at the place where the copies were left…

Uh, thereafter? After what? After not attempting personal service or substituted service? To the place where no copies were left?

This wouldn't even make sense to your average birther. (OK, so maybe that's an exaggeration.)

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Orly has done it before: there is no proof that these documents were even put in the mail. Where a postmark ought to appear, someone has scribbled in a date. Where the prices for this service ought to appear, everything is blank.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:39 pm 
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Just when you thought nobody could be as bad as Orly at filling in forms, along comes Yulia.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:45 pm 
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Something was mailed. The certified mail numbers can be tracked on the USPS site.

RTH - your reference is more on point, but an argument can be made for the statute I quoted as well. 16441 is not limited to general elections.

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=)) =)) That's just hilarious.

Paralegal Yulia, of the Law Firm Dim Sum and Yun wrote:
(check) I thereafter mailed (by first-class, postage prepaid) copies of the document to the person to be served at the place where the copies were left…

Uh, thereafter? After what? After not attempting personal service or substituted service? To the place where no copies were left?

This wouldn't even make sense to your average birther. (OK, so maybe that's an exaggeration.)

After what? Yulia was criss-crossing California at highspeeds to shake hands with all but Obama during business hours =)) I bet Orlena was gracious and lent her the fastest automobile in the stable -xx


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The ability to learn from experience is found in a very, very wide range of animals. It's a survival trait. It is possible that the ability to learn from experience is the entire reason that memory exists in the first place. There are molluscs that can learn from experience. Why, oh why, can't Orly?

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Something was mailed. The certified mail numbers can be tracked on the USPS site.

RTH - your reference is more on point, but an argument can be made for the statute I quoted as well. 16441 is not limited to general elections.

The "something" arrived July 15, 11am somewhere in Washington DC, notice was left "no authorized recipient available" :lol:

And Emken received hers on July 13, 230pm just as Orlena started her emergency sceeching ](*,)

Williams stuck in usps unit at LA.

DiFi delivered July 13, 0120pm -- why didn't she show up :?: screech :!:


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The ability to learn from experience is found in a very, very wide range of animals. It's a survival trait. It is possible that the ability to learn from experience is the entire reason that memory exists in the first place. There are molluscs that can learn from experience. Why, oh why, can't Orly?

The ability to learn from experience does require one thing -- the ability to assess the difference in outcomes from different approaches. Sometimes that assessment is simply that the ones who chose path A thrived and multiplied, while those who chose the other path did not.

But in any event, if an activity is worth spending resources on, and it never yields the sought-after result, most creatures will either change strategies or abandon the quest.

But here's the thing. If Orly were actually being told "no, you can't haz court without proper service," or "no, you can't haz filing with unredacted SSNs," or "if you accuse the court of being complicit in a fraud you WILL be declared in contempt and fined," and then the judges actually followed through, she would eventually change the behavior that was hurting her.

But it's not happening, and Orly glories in all of her "wins" like the "denied" stamp on the proposed sanctions order. It's about attention and self-validation that she is important, and she gets that every time she's in the newspaper, or on TV, or appears in any court. Why should she change? She's getting everything she expects and is basking in the attention.

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While Orly is inarguably an attention whore, I will note that she did not publicize this case. She filed it on Monday and had a hearing about it on Thursday morning, but did not mention it on her blog until Thursday afternoon after Martin Wisckol at the OCRegister posted about it, which I'm guessing set off her Google Alert. She tried to keep this case under the radar. :-k


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