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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:14 am 
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Debbie Tharp's Husband Speaks

It really would be soooo much better if there was a competent attorney on this case.

Ain't that the truth? The husband's story puts a new light on it. Taitz is a pestilence even if she stumbled onto a good cause here.

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raicha wrote:
Debbie Tharp's Husband Speaks

It really would be soooo much better if there was a competent attorney on this case.

Ain't that the truth? The husband's story puts a new light on it. Taitz is a pestilence even if she stumbled onto a good cause here.


I'm not touched by this couple's apparent devotion to one cause that is, after all, inspired by their own personal problems. Because at least she appears to lack all empathy for the problems of others, posting this on her Facebook page:

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I guess I need to have my t-shirt made that says: I AM A WHITE CHRISTIAN WOMAN THAT IS HETERSEXUAL AND GETS IT FROM MY HUSBAND! Now, does anyone give a crap what I am? Does this now make them such wonderful people? He is grabbing at straws to get elected! There is no shame today!


(responding to an article about Obama hosting an LBGT reception, God forbid)

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This case is, from what I can tell, well outside of the Pruneyard framework. It does not represent a good vehicle for doing away with one of the few free speech cases worth a damn that we have left. [snip rant]


It won't be necessary to abandon Pruneyard to find Tharp guilty. And since both Taitz and Tharp will stop reading after the headnotes in Pruneyard, they will be unfamiliar with the "evolving" law in California that makes it clear that the Pruneyard decision is not a free pass for any loon to accost shoppers in a parking lot.


Yes, I believe that's what I said. I assume everyone in the case is familiar with Pruneyard and this is one of the few cases, since it involves a criminal defendant, where I don't care if I help Orly be less incompetent. Even though the defendant appears also to be an Orly-like idiot herself, important rights are involved.

I'd hate to see incompetent representation by Orly result in the destruction of a good precedent, but I doubt she is even competent enough to get to the point where it would be an issue, and a competent prosecution will clearly distinguish Pruneyard from this case. Even California's heightened respect for free speech is no excuse for what the idiot defendant did in this case.

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Poutine -- Debby could make saving sweet puppies from drowning look like a sickness. And bringing in Orly to help is just plain brain dead. Doesn't mean the husband's plight isn't sympathetic or that legalizing pot isn't, on balance, a good idea.
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Over here, you only get fingerprinted when you are a suspect in a crime and at the crime-scene there were fingerprints found. Never had my fingerprints taken or heard of someone who was fingerprinted for work.


I was fingerprinted for my CA Cosmetologists license, and fingerprinted for my NYS Real Estate License.

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Fingerprinted when I first came to this country, fingerprinted again when I applied for my green card, fingerprinted when I joined the U.S. Army, fingerprinted when I went to work at a nuclear power plant, fingerprinted when I went to work at a private school. If I'm ever arrested, I don't think that any branch of the constabulary would have any problems identifying me.


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Had a gambling license. You had to do the fingerprint gig at the State Patrol, then again every 3 years after that even though my prints hadn't changed :- :-

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Back in the day, I was fingerprinted to apply for admission to the Texas Bar. Does California do this also? I wonder if Taitz's application prints match her real prints. :P

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Fingerprinted the second time I came into the US and every time since.

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I worked in the banking industry (for the now-defunct Glendale Federal) for over ten years. I was fingerprinted several times over the course of that employment. So I have to be careful to not commit any federal crimes, since the fingerprints were being sent to the FBI, or at least that's what I was told.

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Debbie was apparently a free-lancer for The Patch. Is that something like the Examiners?


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Before the grown-ups notice a threadjack here, I'd like to tell you a fingerprint for the job story that may give us all pause. At the health club where I worked part time, we were all fingerprinted, and the result was computerized and made into the time clock. To check in, we had to put the correct finger on the screen, which would then prompt a message asking for what we were billing the health club.

Oh yeah, I was also fingerprinted for my US Government job, the bar, an application to mentor high school students, and one to teach computers at a senior center.

Lots of suspicious looking fingers out there, I guess.


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Back in the day, I was fingerprinted to apply for admission to the Texas Bar. Does California do this also? I wonder if Taitz's application prints match her real prints. :P


New Jersey definitely does. I'm not sure why exactly. Are lawyers as a class known for going on to commit violent felonies of the sort where fingerprints at the scene of the crime are needed to identify them?

I never really got the message here.

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I'm pretty sure the "why" when I got fingerprinted was to be able to check police records and make sure I wasn't disqualified by a police record for a security clearance.

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TexasFilly wrote:
Back in the day, I was fingerprinted to apply for admission to the Texas Bar. Does California do this also?

Yes.

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Back in the day, I was fingerprinted to apply for admission to the Texas Bar. Does California do this also? I wonder if Taitz's application prints match her real prints. :P


Yes, California does and I also wonder.

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A Legal Lohengrin wrote:

I'm not sure why exactly. Are lawyers as a class known for going on to commit violent felonies of the sort where fingerprints at the scene of the crime are needed to identify them?

I never really got the message here.


I believe it is to prevent fraud in the taking of the bar exam. Although I suspect that has not been 100% effective in California.

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This woman is a fucking idiot and deserves what she gets. No sympathy at all for her.

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raicha wrote:
Debbie Tharp's Husband Speaks

It really would be soooo much better if there was a competent attorney on this case.

Ain't that the truth? The husband's story puts a new light on it. Taitz is a pestilence even if she stumbled onto a good cause here.



So the husband had enough, and abandoned his son and family and moved. And then met Debbie? Is that what he wrote?

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That wasn't the way I read it although it was a confusing story. But whatever.

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So the husband had enough, and abandoned his son and family and moved. And then met Debbie? Is that what he wrote?


That's the way I read it. And later, he gave the abandoned son up for adoption. (WAG - his 1st wife remarried and he relinquished parental rights.)

Call me a softy, but even jackasses should receive humanitarian health services.

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Ah, one more thing. The medical pot system in California is a joke. While those with legitimate medical needs continue to battle the feds for access to medical marijuana, thousands of able-bodied persons are handed pot cards by quacks writing them up by the dozen at the local coffee shop.

After the federal crackdown on dispensaries, the state-approved dealers went underground and now operate "by delivery only".

The state has essentially legalized pot for recreational use. I don't have a problem with that, but everyone should at least be honest about it.

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Ah, one more thing. The medical pot system in California is a joke. While those with legitimate medical needs continue to battle the feds for access to medical marijuana, thousands of able-bodied persons are handed pot cards by quacks writing them up by the dozen at the local coffee shop.

After the federal crackdown on dispensaries, the state-approved dealers went underground and now operate "by delivery only".

The state has essentially legalized pot for recreational use. I don't have a problem with that, but everyone should at least be honest about it.


This is the cause for my distaste with the "medical marijuana" movement. While I do in fact personally know people who have (prior to this movement) used marijuana for legitimate medical purposes, it seems that the "industry" as a whole exists to fuel recreational use. Even the names used for various brands of so-called "medical" marijuana have the pungent punk of a Cheech and Chong movie.

While I'm entirely fine with legalizing recreational marijuana, as it is the least harmful of all intoxicants popular among humans, it is absurd that the only people who seem to have trouble getting legitimate medical marijuana are those who actually need it.

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