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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:03 am 
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Whether there was an independent authority or not, is a factual matter that needs to be decided De Novo by the tier of fact. this is not an issue to be diced summarily on a motion for Summary Affirmance.

Odds Taitz wins loses, evens Obama wins?
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Rant, rant, rant, reargue, reargue, reargue. She is so patently nuts that it is impossible to describe anymore. She twists Judge Lambreth's words -- even says he "argues," which is not true, he "rules" -- so that it appears he is saying that Pres. Obama knew it was a forgery.

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In his final order Judge Lamberth noted that indeed White House Director of communications Dan Pfeifer, and Press Secretary Jay Carney and former White House counsel Robert Bauer held an independent press conference with this alleged birth certificate, which later shown to be a forgery and Mr. Obama was kept away from the document,judge Lamberth argues that there is no proof that the president did not know about their actions, that he did not direct them to act in this manner,therefore there was no independent authority and FOIA applies.


Plus isn't this ass-backward anyhow? She is arguing that the President had to know -- so FOIA applies? That is the case in which it WOULDN'T APPLY. They would have to be acting NOT as an agent of the president for FOIA to be applicable, no?

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Rant, rant, rant, reargue, reargue, reargue. She is so patently nuts that it is impossible to describe anymore. She twists Judge Lambreth's words -- even says he "argues," which is not true, he "rules" -- so that it appears he is saying that Pres. Obama knew it was a forgery.


While I'm not a big fan of People's Court type things, Orly deserves a true reaming like this some time for being utterly incapable of understanding that a court's ruling is not the judge "arguing" anything. It's a goddamn ruling.


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That video was awesome.

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Whether there was an independent authority or not, is a factual matter that needs to be decided De Novo by the tier of fact. this is not an issue to be diced summarily on a motion for Summary Affirmance.

Odds Taitz wins loses, evens Obama wins?
FIFY.


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Orlyanka, which would be a normal nickname for someone called "Orly", actually means a game of heads and tails:

http://books.google.be/books?id=jpOyIfvLHk0C&pg=PA430&lpg=PA430&dq=play+orlyanka&source=bl&ots=TGmah4uQsv&sig=aqjYJuRAKmFU9E7hycqXi_kMnWM&hl=nl&sa=X&ei=HDJiT4r0BOi_0QW9w5idCA&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=play%20orlyanka&f=false

The name is derived from orël (pronciation aryol), which means eagle. Did I ever say that "Orly" is an adjective, male gender, meaning "like a eagle, like a hero"?

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Whether there was an independent authority or not, is a factual matter that needs to be decided De Novo by the tier of fact. this is not an issue to be diced summarily on a motion for Summary Affirmance.


Tiers .. diced : sounds like LAYERS to me!

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She finnnnshed her motion

final submitted in DC
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Another indication, that the decision in this case was not on the merits, not according to precedents and biased, lies in the notation made by judge Lamberth in his final order. Shockingly judge Lamberth wrote: “the President released his long form birth certificate on April 27th, 2011, and posted copy on the White House Web site. The certificate confirms the President’s birth in Honolulu Hawaii. See Michael D. Sheer, “With Document, Obama seeks to end “Birther issue” The New York Times, Apr.28, 2011, et Al.
This notation is so laughable that it makes U. S. judiciary a laughing stock in the eyes of the World jurisprudence.
Clearly a high ranking federal judge or any judge for that matter, even a small claims court judge, knows that a computer image posted on the Internet does not represent a document, does not mean a release of anything. One can use an adobe illustrator or photoshop and create a birth certificate of Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck and post it on the Internet. A judge should know better than that, should know that some stupid article in New York times does not represent a legal authority on anything. To see a judge embarrass himself by writing some utter nonsense, attempting to give weight and authenticity to some computer image, calling it a document, by quoting some nonsense from “Communists R US New York Times” is sad, it shows total disintegration of the fabric of the system of justice. Needless to say that Obama never presented any certified copy with the embossed seal of the document in any court of law or to any elections commission, Hawaii department of Health never opened their books and never presented the original for review and authentication. Any time Taitz conducts a hearing or trial, and Obama is subpoenaed to appear and produce documents, he is too scared to appear, his attorneys are too scared to appear, as they know that no judge in any hearing would deem a computer image to be a document, and they know that they have nothing else, but this computer generated forgery
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Motion for summary affirmations needs to be denied, as there is no blanket FOIA immunity for the White House counsel and White House records. White House records were released under FOIA in quoted precedents. Aforementioned “document” presented to public by the former White House counsel Robert Bauer and currently held by White house counsel Kathy Ruemmler is not immune from FOIA release, as former White House Counsel wheeled independent authority. Additionally the “document” in question is not immune to disclosure as it is not a legitimate document prepared within the scope of work of the White House staff. It represents a forgery, a felonies act, which is outside the realm of documents covered by immunity.
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Oh I’d love to know what Judge Lamberth would say about this.

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Another indication, that the decision in this case was not on the merits, not according to precedents and biased, lies in the notation made by judge Lamberth in his final order. Shockingly judge Lamberth wrote: “the President released his long form birth certificate on April 27th, 2011, and posted copy on the White House Web site. The certificate confirms the President’s birth in Honolulu Hawaii. See Michael D. Sheer, “With Document, Obama seeks to end “Birther issue” The New York Times, Apr.28, 2011, et Al.
This notation is so laughable that it makes U. S. judiciary a laughing stock in the eyes of the World jurisprudence. Clearly a high ranking federal judge or any judge for that matter, even a small claims court judge, knows that a computer image posted on the Internet does not represent a document, does not mean a release of anything. One can use an adobe illustrator or photoshop and create a birth certificate of Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck and post it on the Internet. A judge should know better than that, should know that some stupid article in New York times does not represent a legal authority on anything. To see a judge embarrass himself by writing some utter nonsense, attempting to give weight and authenticity to some computer image, calling it a document, by quoting some nonsense from “Communists R US New York Times” is sad, it shows total disintegration of the fabric of the system of justice. Needless to say that Obama never presented any certified copy with the embossed seal of the document in any court of law or to any elections commission, Hawaii department of Health never opened their books and never presented the original for review and authentication. Any time Taitz conducts a hearing or trial, and Obama is subpoenaed to appear and produce documents, he is too scared to appear, his attorneys are too scared to appear, as they know that no judge in any hearing would deem a computer image to be a document, and they know that they have nothing else, but this computer generated forgery
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Motion for summary affirmations needs to be denied, as there is no blanket FOIA immunity for the White House counsel and White House records. White House records were released under FOIA in quoted precedents. Aforementioned “document” presented to public by the former White House counsel Robert Bauer and currently held by White house counsel Kathy Ruemmler is not immune from FOIA release, as former White House Counsel wheeled independent authority. Additionally the “document” in question is not immune to disclosure as it is not a legitimate document prepared within the scope of work of the White House staff. It represents a forgery, a felonies act, which is outside the realm of documents covered by immunity.
Respectfully submitted,


Respectfully submitted? It's impossible to respectfully submit that POS.

I see she goes with the standard that since the birth certificate hasn't been submitted to court and analyzed by "experts", it cannot be legitimate, ignoring the fact that Hawaii has already stated publicly (which is not "on the record" or sworn, but they put up a freakin' web page about it) that it is legitimate, and I believe Fukino did testify in front of the Hawaii legislature, under oath, that the President was born there as the records were legitimate. I realize she's trying to argue just that the scan is bad, but let's be honest - she'd say everything the se about the paper copy. And Orly, all your arguments about both the online form and paper copy have been irrlevant because he hasn't ever had to submit either one. The one time it might have been necessary his opponents submitted it for him and stipulated as to its authenticity.

I just want to see her response next time she tries to show an ID somewhere of they said "No, sorry, California may swear this is a legitimate license but the entire state might be in on this, we have to have forensic experts take a look. California might be biased." I'm sure she'd be OK with that, right?

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For some reason that made me laugh very hard and it's one of my new favorite OrlyTypos. I wonder if she uses some sort f dictation software, as I can't believe anyone would actually think "wield" or "wielded" and spell it "wheeled".

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Another question about Orly's latest pile of poo: She claims (I think, it is hard to tell exactly what she is saying, she is so convoluted): there is no such thing as a Summary Affirmance. Does that have a nugget of truth, anyone? (Affirmance doesn't seem to be a word ... affirmation?)


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Another question about Orly's latest pile of poo: She claims (I think, it is hard to tell exactly what she is saying, she is so convoluted): there is no such thing as a Summary Affirmance. Does that have a nugget of truth, anyone? (Affirmance doesn't seem to be a word ... affirmation?)


http://www.justice.gov/oip/courtdecisio ... mance.html

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Peavey v. Holder, No. 09-5389, 2010 WL 3155823 (D.C. Cir. Aug. 9, 2010) (per curiam). The court grants agencies' motion for summary affirmance where "[a]ppellant has not demonstrated that any agency 'improperly withheld' a record within its possession" and "the district court correctly concluded that the agencies conducted searches reasonably calculated to uncover all relevant documents."

Lewis v. DOJ, No. 09-5225, 2010 U.S. App. LEXIS 7367 (D.C. Cir. Apr. 7, 2010) (per curiam) (unpublished disposition). Defendant's motion for summary affirmance is granted. "The district court properly determined that [one of plaintiff's requests] was beyond the scope of the litigation. Construing appellant's complaint liberally, the complaint does not adequately notify the government that appellant sought to litigate [that request] in the district court, and appellant failed to move to amend his complaint."


http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=sum ... CBgQgQMwAA

I think that answers the question. :lol:

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In her childish narcissism, Orly thinks that the fact that she has never heard of something means it doesn't exist. She also might not have figured out yet that google searches work for a wide variety of terms, not just her own name.


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Respectfully submitted? It's impossible to respectfully submit that POS.


It's like saying "with all due respect." After you say that, you can say anything. It's in the Geneva Convention.



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Is that screed actually something she submitted to the court?

Remind me -- is Judge Lamberth the judge for this case, too?

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Is that screed actually something she submitted to the court?

Remind me -- is Judge Lamberth the judge for this case, too?

Taitz is appealing (to the D.C. Circuit) Judge Lamberth's decision in which he noted Taitz's "Sisyphean quest."

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bob wrote:
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Is that screed actually something she submitted to the court?

Remind me -- is Judge Lamberth the judge for this case, too?

Taitz is appealing (to the D.C. Circuit) Judge Lamberth's decision in which he noted Taitz's "Sisyphean quest."


Apparently so. So I ask, is her insulting attack precluded by generally accepted rules of conduct. I mean, when there is a point to be made, it can be made without insults, and I'd expect accepted rules of conduct to have that little idea somewhere in them. That said, as usual, instead of a properly structured motion, she submits more ridiculous argument of the "facts," along with hysterical escapes into hyperbole about the import of the "crime." Could she/should she be sanctioned? For both of those reasons, insult and failure to file an appeal as it should be filed. Sure hope so!


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Could she/should she be sanctioned?

Expect the path of least resistance: a quick GTFOOMC grant of the motion for summary affirmance.

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Every court that has had the displeasure of dealing with the Chaleria wants to get the infection out of the courtroom as quickly as possible. That's best done in this case by granting the motion for summary affirmance, noting simply that the FOIA doesn't cover the President' or his lawyers. Sadly for Taitz, that also assumes President Obama actually is the President. But reality isn't contorted simply to make Typhoid Orly happy.

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Her "response" to the Motion for Summary Affirmance has been cleaned up a bit (e.g., it is now "trier of fact" instead of "tier of fact"), but it remains insulting to Judge Lamberth. "Shockingly judge Lambert wrote...", "This notation is so laughable that it makes U.S. judiciary a laughing stock in the eyes of World jurisprudence," and "to see a judge embarrass himself by writing some utter nonsense, ..., by quoting some nonsense from the 'Communists R US New York Times' is sad, it shows total disintegration of the fabric of the system of justice."

Has she forgotten which judge will read her "response" and rule on the Motion? Maybe she is writing for her adoring masses and does not care what Judge Lamberth thinks or rules. Maybe she is just itching to get this "response" to SCOTUS, which will surely rule in her favor and sanction Judge Lamberth. Or maybe she is not thinking ahead at all but is simply spewing venom. I favor the last explanation. She may have no idea about what will happen next. I like to think of her as a cobra that has been cornered by a bunch of mongooses -- evil and doomed at the same time.

The relative paucity of errors in English grammar in this "response" makes me think that she had some help from somebody with a high school education, someone who is equally angry and deluded.

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The relative paucity of errors in English grammar in this "response" makes me think that she had some help from somebody with a high school education, someone who is equally angry and deluded.

I noticed the same, especially as the document read on. She started off with classic Orlycommas, but they diminished later in the document. However, the vitriol did not -- it's all pure Orly.

Maybe she thinks contempt of court will give her "standing" ... and, in any case, it would stretch out the court cases and Orly appearances. After all, her sanctions went all the way to SCOTUS, right? That certainly made her important.

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...After all, her sanctions went all the way to SCOTUS, right? That certainly made her important.

Did you mean to say "important" or "impotent?" In OrlySpeak, they sound very much the same.

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But, you see, a ticket to SCOTUS will give Orly a chance to seek redress of all her grievances at the same time.

She can handle the Judge Land sanctions, the FOIA dismissal(s), the Usurper's ignored (but judge refused to quash!!) subpoena, Loretta Fuddy's intransigence, Berg & Liberi's games, the USPS conspirators, and all the mean commenters at her site. She can include damages (fewer BirtherBucks!) brought on by the Birther Summit fiasco, & use this wonderful opportunity to bring down Eric Holder & Department.

If she plays her cards right, SCOTUS can appoint her Special Mistress of Deep Investigations for the SSA, while issuing a menu of prior restraint that will in advance shut up all of the critics who haven't even heard of the birthers yet.

Then they can order the re-purposing of all Hawai'ian military bases, so Orly can use them for her extra-special investigations, and as a holding place for all of Hawai'i's suspicious documents as well as a second home for Judge Nishimura and any other anti-birther subversives.

SCOTUS will issue sanctions on Jill Nagamine, and on the Democratic Party of Mississippi. Special subpoena powers will ensue, and Taitz will be able to try Sheriff Joe and Michelle Obama for misprision of felonies.

I just hope Orly uses this opportunity wisely, and we can see some real action for a change.

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If, in some biazzro world set of circumstances, Orly ever wound up arguing her case in front of SCOTUS, I think even Thomas would speak up and tell her to STFU.


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If, in some biazzro world set of circumstances, Orly ever wound up arguing her case in front of SCOTUS, I think even Thomas would speak up and tell her to STFU.


Nahh. Alito would tell her to shut up and Thomas would go "what he said".

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Another question about Orly's latest pile of poo: She claims (I think, it is hard to tell exactly what she is saying, she is so convoluted): there is no such thing as a Summary Affirmance. Does that have a nugget of truth, anyone? (Affirmance doesn't seem to be a word ... affirmation?)


No. It's completely idiotic bullshit. She has no clue what she's talking about.

But she'd be filing one herself tomorrow, if the freakish event occurred where someone were appealing a judgment in her favor, now that she knows it exists. However, that will never, ever happen.

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That video was awesome.


We need to get her substituted pro hac vice* as the judge for her next hearing/trial/whatever-she-decides-to-call-it and let her give dear sweet Orly a few things to think about....





*yes, yes, I know there's no such thing, but I'm having a fantasy here! Deal with it, eh? :D

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