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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:08 pm 
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Wonder how the members of her RWNJ fan clubs feel about legalizing weed?

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Or that she is making/taking drug money from the rent. Mebbe that is where she is getting all the money to play attorney.

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The feds are seeking forfeiture orders from many of these pot "clinics" in Southern California. Does that include forfeitures from the landlords who knowingly rent to them?

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The feds are seeking forfeiture orders from many of these pot "clinics" in Southern California. Does that include forfeitures from the landlords who knowingly rent to them?


AFAIK YES in Washington State.....it can if you can prove the land, building etc as rented with the landlord KNOWING the intended violations of Federal Law - The landlord loses along with being an accessory to the manufacture of illegal dangerous drugs on a Fed rap.

You and I seem to realize that State Laws are no protection what so ever from a Federal investigation and penalties. Right at the moment it seems as everyone is waiting for something to "change" one way or the other.

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W4, let me say this about that:

If Obama were to do that, they'd be ag'in'' it.
If their guy did it, they'd be all for it.

I, personally, would not be happy if someone reported Obly for being a landlady.

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Yes indeedy, Orly has been renting suite 200, right next door to her office, to California Alternative Remedies (CalRem) since July 2011.

http://www.allmarijuanadispensaries.com ... -july-2nd/

Edit: The number is no longer in service. I suspect this dispensary has gone to "delivery only" like many others trying to avoid Federal raids.

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Moving the medical marijuana dispensary discussion (being held all by myself, so far) to a new thread.

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October 5, 2011 - In conjunction with a new federal assault on California's medical marijuana providers, a criminal case was unsealed naming six defendants linked to a now-defunct North Hollywood marijuana collective called NoHo Caregivers. . .

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In addition to the criminal case and the forfeiture actions, the United States Attorney's Office sent dozens of letters yesterday to people affiliated with 38 marijuana dispensaries in selected cities across the Southland. Those receiving letters are warned that the stores are operating in violation of federal law and that they have two weeks to "take the necessary steps to discontinue the sale and/or distribution of marijuana" at the stores. The letters note that the operation of a marijuana store "may result in criminal prosecution, imprisonment, fines, and forfeiture of assets, including the real property on which the dispensary is operating and any money you receive (or have received) from the dispensary operator."

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• Orange County - the cities of Lake Forest, Dana Point, Laguna Hills, Laguna Niguel, and Rancho Santa Margarita;

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http://www.canorml.org/fedcasessum.html

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Yeah, I'm against going against Taitz as a pot store landlord per se.

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Ah. This explains her interest in Debi Tharp. I frankly didn't believe for a minute that she was taking a principled stance on this issue. I thought that maybe there was a birfer angle in it for her, but it's actually about money. Makes sense.


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Looks to me like she rented the space last July and received a letter from the Feds in October. After that, the physical location closed.

I'm not giving this special attention because of any stance on our marijuana laws, but because Taitz claims to be a licensed attorney in the State of California. As such, she is expected to be aware of, and follow, federal drug laws.

Orly Taitz is not a "landlord per se". She is a blight on the legal system across the nation. Every time she breaks the law, any law, people should hear about it. And they should keep hearing about what a hypocritical, law-breaking, snobbish nutjob she is until she finally shuts her piehole and goes away.

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I agree with Plutodog.

The medical marijuana industry needs all its landlords protected. Orly's a world-class asshole; we know that, but I don't think any of the dispensaries or their landlords (who follow California state law) should be targeted, or vilified.

Orly's done plenty of things for which she deserves to be taken to task.

This isn't one of them.

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Plutodog wrote:
Yeah, I'm against going against Taitz as a pot store landlord per se.


This goes against my principle of not attacking uninvolved third parties to get to an enemy.

It also galls me that Obama has gone back on his campaign promises on the issue of medical marijuana.

I am sure that whatever Orly is doing in renting this property, she is doing it completely wrongly and will manage to get herself in trouble with or without our involvement. Anyone dumb enough to involve themselves with Orly gets what they deserve sooner or later.

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Please note 1) the dispensary is now closed and there is no third party to be involved at this point, and 2) I am not advocating turning Taitz into the Feds or taking any other action other than pointing out that an officer of the court has willfully broken a federal law.

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raicha wrote:
Please note 1) the dispensary is now closed and there is no third party to be involved at this point, and 2) I am not advocating turning Taitz into the Feds or taking any other action other than pointing out that an officer of the court has willfully broken a federal law.


I would certainly not object to the inclusion of this fact in any disciplinary proceedings against her. I was just preemptively suggesting there are good reasons not to take any active measures in pursuing this. So far as I know, nobody has made any such suggestion yet.

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raicha wrote:
Please note 1) the dispensary is now closed and there is no third party to be involved at this point, and 2) I am not advocating turning Taitz into the Feds or taking any other action other than pointing out that an officer of the court has willfully broken a federal law.


Of course, I have nothing against the State Bar of California being notified - it's certainly germane.

Not like they would take any action.

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Plutodog wrote:
Yeah, I'm against going against Taitz as a pot store landlord per se.



Same here. As a Cal MM user, I'm a bit uncomfortable going after her on this. One could make the same claims against most of the places I go to, and frankly, we Californians don't need any further Federal intrusion on these places via the landlords. It's a cheap ploy to shut down the dispensaries.

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I have nothing against medical marijuana use (although much of the evidence supporting it over synthetic prescribed cannibol is anecdotal, not scientific, which is the argument the Fed clings to as justification for not supporting legalized medicinal use -- which is really dumb when you think about how much cheaper it would be for patients to grow their own treatment, rather than have to buy pills). But I do have a problem with an attorney deciding to violate the law for personal gain. Since the clinic is no longer there, I see no problem with reporting it to the Bar that never does anything anyway.

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A Legal Lohengrin wrote:
It also galls me that Obama has gone back on his campaign promises on the issue of medical marijuana.


You know, this is the line that's getting trotted out more and more by the usual suspects on the lying left, but the fact is, Obama never promised to legalize medical cannabis. He said on the campaign trail that "he would be guided by scientific principles" and the stoners put 2 and 3 together and got sugar.

Hell heres an article from 2008, which never mentions anything about any campaign promise.

http://www.esquire.com/the-side/richard ... ion-122308

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In July, Obama told Rolling Stone that he believed in "shifting the paradigm" to a public-health approach: "I would start with nonviolent, first-time drug offenders. The notion that we are imposing felonies on them or sending them to prison, where they are getting advanced degrees in criminality, instead of thinking about ways like drug courts that can get them back on track in their lives -- it's expensive, it's counterproductive, and it doesn't make sense."

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And two weeks ago, when the Obama team asked the public to vote on the top problems facing America, this was the public's No. 1 question: "Will you consider legalizing marijuana so that the government can regulate it, tax it, put age limits on it, and create millions of new jobs and a billion dollar industry right here in the U.S.?"

But alas, the answer from Camp Obama was -- as it has been for years -- a flat one-liner: "President-elect Obama is not in favor of the legalization of marijuana." And at least two of Obama's top people are drug-war supporters: Rahm Emanuel has been a long-time enemy of reform, and Joe Biden is a drug-war mainstay who helped create the position of "drug czar."


That article also showed a video of Obama in 2004 and said it was him saying he was in favour of "decriminalizing" the stuff, but if you watch the video he didn't say that at all.

www.youtube.com Video from : www.youtube.com


Lord knows the guy has enough on his plate getting re-elected without bieng blamed for breaking promises he never made in the first place.

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I think his position is pure political expedience. This is an issue that will have to wait for his second term.


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^^^^ This.

Obama has almost so much political capital, and he spent a lot - though probably not as much many assumed - with his support of same sex marriage.

I'm always reminded of the saying "Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line." I'm disappointed Obama hasn't been more liberal, but I understand there's only so much one can do and so far one can go. If he and his team thought he could get away with supporting decriminalization, they probably would.

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BillTheCat wrote:
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Yeah, I'm against going against Taitz as a pot store landlord per se.



Same here. As a Cal MM user, I'm a bit uncomfortable going after her on this. One could make the same claims against most of the places I go to, and frankly, we Californians don't need any further Federal intrusion on these places via the landlords. It's a cheap ploy to shut down the dispensaries.


There's a big difference between "going after her" (which no one here has done), and taking pleasure in watching her shoot herself in the foot.

Many of us have stated our opinion on medical marijuana. There was a lively thread a while back on the topic, with some good ideas and opinions interspersed amongst the heated conversation. Personally, I believe marijuana should have a legal place in the management of pain and nausea, and the treatment of glaucoma. I'm also not so naive that I don't recognize that at least some MM dispensaries are "dual purpose."

The point is that MM is controversial. O'rly may have an opinion that MM is a good thing (or she may have no opinion at all, and just leased or sub-leased the space to the only tenant she could find), and while I think it's admirable that someone would take some degree of risk to "put their money where their mouth is," it's also amazingly foolish for someone in her position to rent space to a MM dispensary. At minimum it puts her DEA license at risk, without which her dental practice is limited. In theory it also puts her law license at risk, but we all know that theory and practice are in separate universes in CA, so that's really not an issue. I don't know if she owns the building, but if she does then she also put that asset at risk. Most significant, I would think, is that the base of this wannabe politician are hardcore RWNJs, who would be happy if the US modeled it's drug laws after Singapore. I can think of very few better ways to alienate this base than what she's doing here.

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I agree with Plutodog.

The medical marijuana industry needs all its landlords protected. Orly's a world-class asshole; we know that, but I don't think any of the dispensaries or their landlords (who follow California state law) should be targeted, or vilified.

Orly's done plenty of things for which she deserves to be taken to task.

This isn't one of them.


The drug is illegal for use/sale etc in the United States. State laws will not hold up to a federal prosecution. There is no 10th Amendment when the US Congress approved the various narcotics treaties/Harrison Narcotic Act/BNDD, DEA alphabet soup. There is only one government approved research program using the pot from the Federal Farm in Mississippi for the use of only a couple of approved patients (severe glaucoma).


I thought that lawyers involved in the Drug trade to any degree were violating professional ethics along with violating Federal Law (along with what there is of International law on the subject).

It looks like Orly knew for what the building was being rented. She should lose her license to practice Dentistry as she is associated with abuse of illegal dangerous narcotic drugs. i wonder if she writes herself a prescription every time she huffs the N2O which in itself is a prescription drug.

Does the Cal Dental Licensing Board know that she is a party to an illegal dangerous narcotic drug manufacturing and distribution ring? Why hasn't her Dental License been pulled for accessory to illegal narcotic dealing???

Edit: 10 years ago a lawyer who lived up the street, took drugs in exchange for part of his bill. He went to 'Pound thee in thy ass' prison and will never see that law license again.

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Here are some interesting, perhaps interrelated facts:

(1) Orly Taitz owns two buildings from which she conducts her dental practices:
http://www.drtaitz.com/map.htm

(2) At one of her addresses, one of her tenants is a medical corporation whose doctors prescribe medical marijuana: http://ocmmes.com/contact.htm

(3) At her other address, her other tenant was a pot dispensary: http://www.ocregister.com/articles/city ... uncil.html

(4) The City of Santa Margarita, in 2011, voted for a moratorium on pot dispensaries: http://www.ocregister.com/articles/city ... uncil.html

(5) OrlyTaitz, in 2012, becomes involved with Debbie Tharp's crusade against municipalities which ban pot dispensaries.

(6) Is Orly Taitz's motivation an idealistic cause or the loss of income which these municipal laws have caused her?

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I think it is likely that Taitz was not choosy about who her tenants were and I think she should have known that renting to marijuana dispensaries violated Federal law. But there is no evidence that she has committed insurance fraud. Around here, we avoid baseless accusations.

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