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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:42 pm 
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One of the best notices of appeal I've ever seen. The Chaleria is approaching CEL3 territory.

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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
One of the best notices of appeal I've ever seen. The Chaleria is approaching CEL3 territory.

Only if Taitz files the NOA tomorrow and dates it:

19 Oct. 2011 (Evaluate Your Life Day)

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Orly is beyond help. She is hopelessly incompetent. She is unteachable. She won't heed any of our comments except those that point out spelling errors. There is absolutely no danger that whatever substantive criticisms we post will be incorporated into her final product.


There are two clear opinions among the herd about "helping Orly": 1) Don't say anything while a pleading is still a draft that Orly might read here and correct in her final product. We like Orly to appear as incompetent as possible because a) it amuses us, and b) it may inflame the court, possibly resulting in sanctions. The second opinion is 2) Orly is beyond help and will always appear totally incompetent no matter how many changes she makes before she files her pleading. We enjoy tracking the number of drafts she produces before filing a pile of poo because a) it amuses us, and b) the final result is sure to inflame the court, possibly resulting in sanctions.

Each "side" has its merits. However:

There is no rule against "helping" Orly here on The Fogbow. The debate over this has lead to sore feelings, frustration and outright anger.

Whether you choose to "help" or "not help", it is a personal choice. Please exercise it with the consideration that others are entitled to disagree and do otherwise.


Very, very well said, Raicha.

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Is it too early to set up a pool to predict the date Judge Lambert sanctions Orly and the amount of the sanction?

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IANAL but it's easy to see what the woman is asking for. She wants a judge to finance her fishing trip for another month. Life is good out in the midle of the lake. They don't teach this in real brick law schools?


She can't bear being without an open case. While she has drafts and letters, Orly doesn't have a single open case now. It makes her :(( :(( :(( . It also shows the birfers that this is over, over, over, over. Even birfers know that letters and FOIA requests are meaningless. Even they know that this draft gets Orly no where.

Is it over.

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Is it over.

1. Taitz v. Clinton if it ever get filed!
2. 2012 primaries are just a few months away; fertile frivolous lawsuit territory!

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While she has drafts and letters, Orly doesn't have a single open case now.

Well... there is the Barnett v. Obama appeal in the 9th Circuit.

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4. Plaintiff Moves this court to stay its’ final order pending appeal, so the Plaintiff can proceed with the Motion to compel hearing currently scheduled for November 21, 2011 in USDC in HI to compel inspection of Barack Obama’s original birth certificate,



I am of the "Don't help Orly" school, so I will not comment on that paragraph until it is actually filed, except to say, OMG. The mind boggles.

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While she has drafts and letters, Orly doesn't have a single open case now.

Well... there is the Barnett v. Obama appeal in the 9th Circuit.

Appeals are booooooring! Birthers demand cases at the trial level, with subpoenas and exhibits and razzle-dazzle!

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It also shows the birfers that this is over, over, over, over. Even birfers know that letters and FOIA requests are meaningless. Even they know that this draft gets Orly no where.

I don't believe that birfers understand that it's over. You know how often they'll say things like "Obama has to win every single time, Orly only needs to win once" (never mind that the President is not the defendant in any of these piles of poop). Orly's minions believe in her, and I'm convinced that she truly does see herself as (in her words) a "political dissident civil rights leader" attorney. She'll tilt at those windmills until she's stopped, and the few people who are stupid enough to follow her will continue to believe every lie that erupts from her mouth and keyboard.

Somebody needs to sanction her again, and for a lot more than $20,000.

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4. Plaintiff Moves this court to stay its’ final order pending appeal, so the Plaintiff can proceed with the Motion to compel hearing currently scheduled for November 21, 2011 in USDC in HI to compel inspection of Barack Obama’s original birth certificate,



I am of the "Don't help Orly" school, so I will not comment on that paragraph until it is actually filed, except to say, OMG. The mind boggles.


I predict a swift, succinct denial of this.

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Okay, forget the bar exam, how did Orly pass the LSAT? Logic just ain't her thing.

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Okay, forget the bar exam, how did Orly pass the LSAT?

Taft Law School's application for admission:
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bob wrote:
Taft Law School's application for admission:
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That explains a lot.

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Okay, forget the bar exam, how did Orly pass the LSAT? Logic just ain't her thing.

The what? Not having to take the LSAT was my only chance to get into Taft.

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Okay, forget the bar exam, how did Orly pass the LSAT?

Taft Law School's application for admission:
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Note: Applicants are not required to take the LSAT.



I want to know who wrote her essay. There is absolutely no way she did it. Unless, of course, this is just a diploma mill. But that can't be the case, right??

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bob wrote:
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Okay, forget the bar exam, how did Orly pass the LSAT?

Taft Law School's application for admission:
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Taft's application form has just one question: Do you have the money to pay for your degree? You check the box maked "yes" and you're in.

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IANAL but it's easy to see what the woman is asking for. She wants a judge to finance her fishing trip for another month. Life is good out in the midle of the lake. They don't teach this in real brick law schools?


She can't bear being without an open case. While she has drafts and letters, Orly doesn't have a single open case


At least she can take comfort knowing she now has more time to focus on Liberi v. Taitz .

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IANAL but it's easy to see what the woman is asking for. She wants a judge to finance her fishing trip for another month. Life is good out in the midle of the lake. They don't teach this in real brick law schools?


She can't bear being without an open case. While she has drafts and letters, Orly doesn't have a single open case


At least she can take comfort knowing she now has more time to focus on Liberi V Taitz .


That is just so mean -- I only wish I would have thought of it first. :mrgreen:

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Okay, forget the bar exam, how did Orly pass the LSAT? Logic just ain't her thing.


I doubt the Taft Law Skuul requires the LSAT for admission or if it does, any score will do.

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Okay, forget the bar exam, how did Orly pass the LSAT? Logic just ain't her thing.


I doubt the Taft Law Skuul requires the LSAT for admission or if it does, any score will do.


From upthread...

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Taft Law School's https://www.taftu.edu/jd_applicationfor[m.asp]application for admission:
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Note: Applicants are not required to take the LSAT.

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You don't suppose Orly enrolled for the Juris Doctor – Attorney Track Independent Study Program ? That would explain a lot.



Edit: That application for enrollment is a hoot. Interesting questions, such as "are you currently incarcerated?" Orly must have lied in answering this one: Do you have regular Internet access and basic E-Mail skills? Yes No :^o

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It's still scheduled at the moment - IANAL but I'd expect it to stay that way until Hawaii moves to dismiss.

My IANAL predictions:
1) Should Judge Lamberth dismiss Orly's Notice of Appeal and Motion to Stay Final Order, Orly will not inform the USDC Hawaii court but Jill Nagamine will. The Nov 21 hearing will then be immediately ruled moot and Orly will be ruled mute.
2) Should Judge Lamberth not rule before Nov 21, Orly will claim the case is still active and Nagamine will claim it's dismissed. The USDC Hawaii court will either postpone the Hawaii hearing 60-90 days awaiting a DC ruling or declare the DC case dead. If declared dead, see the last part of prediction #1 immediately above.
3) Should Judge Lamberth rule in Orly's favor, many will have already witnessed the sun rise in the west.

Orly needs to submit enough paperwork to DC that it takes Judge Lamberth a week to just read it. She needs to postpone the inevitable any way possible. I don't believe she has the chutzpah to do it.

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