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Orly posted a copy of the summons. As usual, she f*cked it up by altering the summons issued by the clerk of the court, crossing out the number "60" and inserting "30" as the number of days for the defendant to answer. Astrue, as a federal official, has 60 days.


The depths of her stupidity never cease to amaze me.

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Orly posted a copy of the summons. As usual, she f*cked it up by altering the summons issued by the clerk of the court, crossing out the number "60" and inserting "30" as the number of days for the defendant to answer. Astrue, as a federal officer, has 60 days.


You have to give Obly credit for her ability to find new and innovative ways to fcuk things up that just wouldn't occur to mere mortals... #-o

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:?: To our legal friends...Would you be safe in IGNORING such an obviously altered and untrustworthy document. :?:


I would file a Motion to Quash Service of Summons and First Amended Complaint. Judge Lamberth would grant it.



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Edit: I just LOVE the crossing off of the date for the court signature along with the 30/60 thing...Makes this real "legal".


This is not Orly's scrawl. It appears that Orly pre-dated the summons before she presented it to the clerk's office (two weeks later) and the deputy clerk crossed out the date. The line should have been left blank and filled in by the clerk's office. The operative date for a summons is the date issued by the court, not the date prepared by the plaintiff.

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Edit: I just LOVE the crossing off of the date for the court signature along with the 30/60 thing...Makes this real "legal".


:?: To our legal friends...Would you be safe in IGNORING such an obviously altered and untrustworthy document. :?:


I would file a Motion to Quash Service of Summons and First Amended Complaint. Judge Lamberth would grant it.


My goodness, thank you. It is so nice to be able to chat with REAL LAWYERS..

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I also like how she hasn't exhausted her administrative remedies. She just can't seem to be able to deal with the maze like a real lawyer can.

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She's slipping. She should have given Astrue only 30 minutes, not 30 days.

She would have had her default judgment by now. 8>

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She's slipping. She should have given Astrue only 30 minutes, not 30 days.

She would have had her default judgment by now. 8>


I guess there are limits to OrlyLaw®

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Setting aside the fact there's no Return of Service on the docket, and that in Orlylaw the 60-day gubimint
Response time is only if the little people file suit, we should expect a Motion for Default Judgment. Any. Day. Now.

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Just for fun I ran the Certified Mail tracking numbers for the amended complaint and one of the summonses and the postal service reported back that there were no records of the items. I guess Ms. Dubert dropped the mail in some post box somewhere which would explain why there are no postmarks on the receipts.

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Orly posted a copy of the summons. As usual, she f*cked it up by altering the summons issued by the clerk of the court, crossing out the number "60" and inserting "30" as the number of days for the defendant to answer. Astrue, as a federal official, has 60 days.


The depths of her stupidity never cease to amaze me.


Did Orly never take penmanship? That is some scary handwriting, and likely her thoughts are equally disorganized.

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Just for fun I ran the Certified Mail tracking numbers for the amended complaint and one of the summonses and the postal service reported back that there were no records of the items. I guess Ms. Dubert dropped the mail in some post box somewhere which would explain why there are no postmarks on the receipts.


Mebbe - Orly knew that copy of the Draft information was obtained illegally, and she really didn't mail all that stuff off to the US Attorney General (and everyone and their brother/sister). Being an accomplice to a crime doesn't endear anyone to the Cal State Bar. I wonder if they are even bothering? Orly continues to use her license to victimize/abuse the legal system along with her clients.

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Did Orly never take penmanship? That is some scary handwriting, and likely her thoughts are equally disorganized.


To be fair to her, mine is just as bad if not worse. Untreated Dyslexics have a terrible time doing simple writing. If I have to write at all these days I do it in capitals as my handwriting is just unreadable, and the letters are all over the place, different sises and shapes. You spend so much energy just not writing them backwards and upside down that I for one don't care as long as its readable.

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Did Orly never take penmanship? That is some scary handwriting, and likely her thoughts are equally disorganized.


To be fair to her, mine is just as bad if not worse. Untreated Dyslexics have a terrible time doing simple writing. If I have to write at all these days I do it in capitals as my handwriting is just unreadable, and the letters are all over the place, different sises and shapes. You spend so much energy just not writing them backwards and upside down that I for one don't care as long as its readable.


That is when I learned what a typewriter was & learned how to use one...

They are perfect for filling out forms like this as long as you are a competent typist.

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Just for fun I ran the Certified Mail tracking numbers for the amended complaint and one of the summonses and the postal service reported back that there were no records of the items. I guess Ms. Dubert dropped the mail in some post box somewhere which would explain why there are no postmarks on the receipts.

Taitz likes to serve process herself. (Excluding a short love affair with Mr. Copyright In Esse, who then tried to horn in on her fame POS quo warranto case.) Does "Lila Dubert" exist? Why did she not give her address on the proof of service? Is service by mail sufficient?

Edit: Googling the name it pops up in the Liberi v. Taitz docket as the person in charge of Taitz's office that Phil Berg served with some emergency nonsense in May 2009. http://www.freecourtdockets.com/Dockets ... -34311.htm

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Orly posted a copy of the summons. As usual, she f*cked it up by altering the summons issued by the clerk of the court, crossing out the number "60" and inserting "30" as the number of days for the defendant to answer. IOW, she rendered the summons invalid. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

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Astrue, as a federal officer, has 60 days.


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Rule 12. Defenses and Objections: When and How Presented; Motion for Judgment on the Pleadings; Consolidating Motions; Waiving Defenses; Pretrial Hearing

(a) Time to Serve a Responsive Pleading.


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(2) United States and Its Agencies, Officers, or Employees Sued in an Official Capacity.

The United States, a United States agency, or a United States officer or employee sued only in an official capacity must serve an answer to a complaint, counterclaim, or crossclaim within 60 days after service on the United States attorney.

(3) United States Officers or Employees Sued in an Individual Capacity.

A United States officer or employee sued in an individual capacity for an act or omission occurring in connection with duties performed on the United States’ behalf must serve an answer to a complaint, counterclaim, or crossclaim within 60 days after service on the officer or employee or service on the United States attorney, whichever is later.

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1.Questioner Patriot
March 26th, 2011 @ 9:31 am
Why did you give Astrue only 30 days to answer, rather than 60?

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March 26th, 2011 @ 10:40 am
it was written by the clerk of the court, not by me

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March 26th, 2011 @ 10:41 am
30 days was written by the clerk of the court, who issued them


Or at least so says O'rly. (I tend to doubt it.)

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Or at least so says O'rly. (I tend to doubt it.)


Is that why the clerk didn't initial the changes on such an important document? I was wondering also about the penmanship....

I also am questioning - Why if the clerk changed it, the clerk didn't just jin up another document with the changes, so that Orly can scrawl the right information on it??? What does the court records say about the issuance? Is there a copy at the courthouse??? ?(

Edit: spelling

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Look at the O on the 30 days & compare it with the way Orly does her Os or 0 same diff. The start/endstroke are very very similar...Looks like it was on a softer surface for the changes... I notice the label says 16Feb...but nothing on the document validates any changes made after the document was signed by the clerk. It doesn't look like the clerk's handwriting either...

Makes ya wonder - ... :-k :-k

Of course by now you would have thought that she would have figured out how to serve someone...(Oh I fell Bob Dylan coming on...Ya Gotta Serve Somebodah!)

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Orly posted a copy of the summons. As usual, she f*cked it up by altering the summons issued by the clerk of the court, crossing out the number "60" and inserting "30" as the number of days for the defendant to answer. Astrue, as a federal officer, has 60 days.


You have to give Obly credit for her ability to find new and innovative ways to fcuk things up that just wouldn't occur to mere mortals... #-o


You're all such amateurs. The 60/30 days issue presents a clear conflict between the D.C. and 0th Circuits. And how do you resolve disputes between the circuits? The Supreme Court.

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shrek wrote:
Butterfly Bilderberg wrote:
Orly posted a copy of the summons. As usual, she f*cked it up by altering the summons issued by the clerk of the court, crossing out the number "60" and inserting "30" as the number of days for the defendant to answer. Astrue, as a federal officer, has 60 days.


You have to give Obly credit for her ability to find new and innovative ways to fcuk things up that just wouldn't occur to mere mortals... #-o


You're all such amateurs. The 60/30 days issue presents a clear conflict between the D.C. and 0th Circuits. And how do you resolve disputes between the circuits? The Supreme Court.

Checkmate.

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poutine wrote:
shrek wrote:
Butterfly Bilderberg wrote:
Orly posted a copy of the summons. As usual, she f*cked it up by altering the summons issued by the clerk of the court, crossing out the number "60" and inserting "30" as the number of days for the defendant to answer. Astrue, as a federal officer, has 60 days.


You have to give Obly credit for her ability to find new and innovative ways to fcuk things up that just wouldn't occur to mere mortals... #-o


You're all such amateurs. The 60/30 days issue presents a clear conflict between the D.C. and 0th Circuits. And how do you resolve disputes between the circuits? The Supreme Court.

Checkmate.

AFTER DISCOVERY!

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:?: To our legal friends...Would you be safe in IGNORING such an obviously altered and untrustworthy document. :?:


I would file a Motion to Quash Service of Summons and First Amended Complaint. Judge Lamberth would grant it.


You're probably right. However, I would be sorely tempted simply to ignore it entirely and only respond when she tried to file for default, allowing her to dig a deeper hole. Because at that point, she would be committing a fraud on the court, rather than just on me.

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Look at the O on the 30 days & compare it with the way Orly does her Os or 0 same diff. The start/endstroke are very very similar...Looks like it was on a softer surface for the changes... I notice the label says 16Feb...but nothing on the document validates any changes made after the document was signed by the clerk. It doesn't look like the clerk's handwriting either...

Funny, I looked at the "30" and concluded that was NOT Orly's handwriting. Neither the 3 or the 0 look anything like Orly's frantic scribbling. Hence, the clerk probably changed it, as BB already pointed out.

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Look at the O on the 30 days & compare it with the way Orly does her Os or 0 same diff. The start/endstroke are very very similar...Looks like it was on a softer surface for the changes... I notice the label says 16Feb...but nothing on the document validates any changes made after the document was signed by the clerk. It doesn't look like the clerk's handwriting either...

Funny, I looked at the "30" and concluded that was NOT Orly's handwriting. Neither the 3 or the 0 look anything like Orly's frantic scribbling. Hence, the clerk probably changed it, as BB already pointed out.


I just wonder why the things weren't initialed or something to indicate who made the change?

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Look at the O on the 30 days & compare it with the way Orly does her Os or 0 same diff. The start/endstroke are very very similar...Looks like it was on a softer surface for the changes... I notice the label says 16Feb...but nothing on the document validates any changes made after the document was signed by the clerk. It doesn't look like the clerk's handwriting either...

Funny, I looked at the "30" and concluded that was NOT Orly's handwriting. Neither the 3 or the 0 look anything like Orly's frantic scribbling. Hence, the clerk probably changed it, as BB already pointed out.



I got to thinking about that, too. The handwriting for the "30" is too tidy. Regardless, it invalidates the summons because it falsely informs the defendant of the wrong number of days to respond. A competent attorney would have recognized the error and would never have used the mucked-up summons.

The Federal Rules of Civil Procedure are published with a set of forms. Civil Form 3 is a form for the summons. Heck, a person can go to the United States Courts website and copy a Word-compatible rich text template of the summons form. Red font and angle brackets draw the user's attention to the need to select alternative language, e.g.,
<Use 60 days if the defendant is the United States or a United States agency, or is an officer or employee of the United States allowed 60 days by Rule 12(a)(3)>. How hard can it be to get it right?

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