Isn't "someone" in the Pug Party supposed vet Orly for things such as the Constitutional requirements such as age and citizenship???

Me thinks something is rotten in Romania.

Why waste the money vetting a sacrificial lamb?

No.

Umm, raicha is being laconic like she does.

Also accurate like she does.

But I seriously doubt that a non-citizen could be elected to the U.S. Senate from any state.

Maybe ObjectiveDoubter doesn't have any facts to support a challenge. Maybe nobody in the GOP will vet Orly.

But I recall reading several places that all Senators (and Reps) are given background checks by the FBI.

I realize what that means: We'll only find out if she wins. She won't win, and maybe we'll never find out.

I believe that it would be very easy in the CA Dem Party to NOT be checked out, but pushed along level by level. (I was on the CA Dem Central Committee more than once.) Did any official in the CA Dem Party ever "vet" Rep. Tom Lantos, ask to see his naturalization papers? I doubt it -- and hope not. But frankly, whether I personally believe Orly is naturalized or not, is not relevant to the challenge I will definitely pursue with relish.

Lantos had multiple citizenships.

It surely will be interesting to see if, challenged about her citizenship, Orly:

1) shows us her papers, or
2) argues that someone without a tangible interest should not be able to access her private docs.

Goose. Gander.

Fun to see Orly forced in court to legitimize President Obama's position on the BC/citizenship matter.

I'm betting on the old birtherObama maxim "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth, are people with something to hide."

Worst case is she proves citizenship, and then at least we know.

We will never know. I suspect that naturalization papers are more suspect of being forgeries than BC papers. Besides, there are layers you know.

Orly will have plenty of time to flatten the files before she is compelled to release them.

I am sticking with my opinion that much of her obsession of accusing others of fraud and forgery is due to her own past experiences with those activities and she projects what she knows she has been able to fool people with. That's why you can't get those tricks by O'rly.

While I am opposed to the kind of birfer bills that the legislatures were trying to design last year to embarrass and rule off Obama, I think it is not a bad idea to ask for some basic ordinary proof of qualifications for office in order to be on a ballot. Considering her obsession with the President producing his documents, why should she be so reluctant to produce hers?

Let's just say that I am far more suspicious of her citizenship than I am of President Obama's citizenship. So much of her past cannot be documented.

Yabbut. Raicha is right that you have to base it on facts, and our only fact is she refuses to prove she's a citizen. Is there any legal requirement that says she must? You might draw charges of "acting birferish" unless you have a solid case. Maybe there IS a way to access naturalization records somehow.

The ironic thing is that were Orly a serious candidate, she would likely have to tell the truth on the matter. The media scrutiny of her blatant hypocrisy on her signature issue would be unbearable. But she isn't a serious candidate. She wouldn't be if she ran for dogcatcher. Whether she keeps saying her flubergable (and even if she just did say "flurbergable") or she stopped (and this will not happen) and instead proposed a coherent policy on tax reform, she'll always be the crazy lady who sues the President.

I believe it is possible she is lying (and frankly I think it would be consistent with her mentality) but I don't see any way to force her hand. There's plenty on Dr. Taitz that doesn't add up, including how she ever passed the California Bar exam in the first place. I suspect, however, that things like that will always remain a mystery.

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I don't know about challenging her or whatever, but I just think it's strange, there have been all these demands to see her naturalization papers and still she refuses ... it's been three years, and it's something she could satisfy in a few minutes and like $12. It just raises questions, why she won't be open about something so simple. What is she hiding?

/birfmode

What I think was 'birferish behavior' was refusing to accept the certification of the BC by the state of Hawai'i no matter how many times and how many ways they backed it up. Asking for some kind of documentation for basic eligibility is justifiable. Constantly moving the goal posts and asking for the impossible or to prove a negative for the purpose of smearing is 'acting birfish.' Maldonado in Missouri was deeply offended when the SoS asked for his naturalization papers. Was she within her rights to ask for them? Could he have refused? Should he have been singled out?

It's the same for O'rly. Can the SoS ask all the candidates to produce proof of eligibility (age and citizenship)?

First, sorry for the spelling in that last one, I was on my 'droid.

Second, no. I don't think so. Or if she can, she's under no obligation to do so, as we learned last time around. The whole outcome of Orly's case against Debra Bowen was that Bowen has no duty to vet a candidate.

We highly praised that ruling. I'm afraid we're stuck with it now.

Listen, I'm not saying give up on this thing. I'm saying it looks like it needs work. You don't want to file something and see it immediately tossed out. Let's keep brainstorming, we have plenty of time. There's no challenge you can file until AFTER the primary, is how I interpreted what raicha said this morning.

No, Rooster. We can file it after the general election. We are permitted to use OrlyLaw, aren't we?

Stolen verbatim and put in a comment at the House of Nitrous.

There might be some other messes around in the files, but I don't have the time nor the inclination to lose most of my IQ points reading that stuff.

What if the challenge alleged:
1. Taitz was not born in the United States.
2. Under the U.S. Constitution, members of Congress must be U.S. citizens.

The allegations are undisputed, and they shift the burden to Taitz to demonstrate facts to defeat the challenge.

Usually they put them East European girls in "special housing" in the grimiest parts of the West. When you are too ugly or old, they send you to dental school.

Go with Orlylaw and file early and often.

If this years challenges prove anything, it's that anyone can file anything.

Be sure and send her a subpoena whether the law permits it or not.

I want to see how she responds to a challenge. Will she send you a copy of her naturalization papers? Will she get a screenshot from eVerify showing her status? Will she try to shut down a challenge on jurisdictional or procedural grounds?