Yes.

It appears that any "sovereign" of the country can rescind his or her contract with the president within 72 hours of inauguration (or in President Obama's case, within 72 hours of the correct swearing-in) per standard contract law.

Brilliant!

And then what? The sovereign citizen gets to chose a new contract or President? Has Strunk ever thought these arguments through to its 'logical' conclusion?

Where do these people get their ideas? Maritime law, contract law, fascinating foolishness.

The Super Secret Book of Sovereign Law. They're against secret societies ruling the world, so they use the laws that are only available to sovereigns "in the know."

It appears the Strunk thinks there's a 72-hour right of rescission attached to any contract. He's wrong, of course.

There's a federal right of rescission applying to home loans. And various states have extended similar rights under specific circumstances (e.g., door-to-door sales, deals actually made in the home and even a few weird ones like health club memberships and agreements to pay for expensive dental work while you're sitting in the chair).

But there is no general right in contract law permitting a party to cancel within 72 hours except as modified by a specific statute. I'm unaware of any state with a buyer's remorse exception applicable to a Presidential election.

IIRC the Sov Cits consider the UCC / Uniform Commercial Code the be all end all, which is why Sister Sunken© believes he has a right to rescind the "contract offer" proposed when President Obama was sworn in.

Edit: If you look at the "contract offer" that Strunk "refused & returned", he's citing the UCC.

Well, in general most Sovereign Citizens (Generally US) and Freeman on the Land (Generally Commonwealth nations) types (the ones at least who aren't scammers) don't think through their ideas. They treat the law as if it were magic and that if you say the magic words then you have power over your oppressors. Literally whether you call yourself a person or a flesh and blood human being makes a difference as to whether the powers that be can enslave you or not. Similarly if you drive a vehicle, you have to obey statue law but if you exercise your common law* right to travel in your personal conveyance not in commerce you don't need insurance or a license, nor can you be fined for speeding, etc.

Most of this has been established through what has been dubbed the University of Youtube. It's a separate world, and very gullible and/or desperate people pay money for "seminars" and such from scammers and true believers so that they don't have to pay taxes or be subject to any law they don't wish but be able to welch on credit cart and mortgage debt while collecting unemployment.

It's a very stupid conspiracy theory, in some ways stupider than birthism, because a lot of Freeman and Sovereign Citizens end up turning routine traffic stops into serious jail time by not cooperating with the police and disrupting courts. Their magical thinking of getting out of debt also causes serious problems. There is some overlap between birthism and this other conspiracy theory (Dr. k(H)ate, FundFilcher, Strunk)

There isn't much logic or sense to it. It literally treats the law like magic. One example is the accepted for value scam, in which you write accepted for value on your credit card bill in blue ink at a 45 degree angle (and these details are important for the incantation to work) and it turns the bill into a bill of exchange which settles the account using your birth bond that is supposedly worth 8 million dollars which the powers that be secretly create when you are born using your birth certificate and trade it on the open market (but you can redeem it somehow by, uh, more nonsense that has never worked).

*not common law as we know, but a set of arbitrary nonsense the Freeman/Sov Citizens have dreamed up with very little historical much less legal backing.

Thank you, Intrepid Reporter! Great job!




http://rcradioblog.wordpress.com/2012/0 ... ooklyn-ny/

After reading the report ny IR I just have to say...

WHAT AN ASSHOLE.

Carry on.

I've noticed the SovCit's penchant for the 45 degree angle. Strunk's letter "firing" the President was also printed in red ink at a 45 degree angle - printed on top of an already existing document.

The whole "birth bond" thing is really crazy. The concept of the government taking millions of dollars and putting it in your name, which creates this sort of secret account that they can buy and sell...but that you never know about, so what's the point...but that the Worldwide Conspiracy has to bow down and pay up if only you use the right code words they're powerless against...

Edit: I got asked once by a former coworker who was starting to look into and get hoodwinked by the "accepted for value" BS how I knew it was all bunk. The answer I eventually gave was simple - if all you have to do is write "accepted for value" on something and you're good to go, why do these guys say to only do it on bills and the like? They wouldn't dare walk into a Best Buy, head to the register with a TV, and say "Accepted for value" and walk out, because they wouldn't be allowed to keep the merchandise. They only recommend doing it when you don't have someone in front of you who can deny the items in question. Of course, via an argument by special pleading, SovCits say that it's because regular merchants aren't part of the Great Conspiracy and banks are, so the magic words only work on banks.

Excellent explanation and analysis, Hektor. I would add just a bit to it.

The Sovereign Citizen Movement began before the Internet became available to almost everyone. I don't know how they recruited new members then but suspect that they siphoned off some members of the KKK and other White Supremacy movements. The Christian Identity movement had a substantial base of Sovereign Citizen thinking. Some churches opened their pulpits to purveyors of SovCit ideas, especially on things such as foreclosures that affected many members of their congregations. Bank foreclosures on farms were a special issue for them.

Their thinking was not invariably magical; it was sometimes simply malicious. For a time, the Western states in particular were plagued by paper terrorism, which was often just an attempt at extortion.

Most Sovereign Citizens are white. Males predominate, but female members have committed some of the worst crimes. There are a few black Sovereign Citizens. This does not make much sense in terms of SovCit doctrine, which holds that there are State Citizens and U.S. Citizens, the latter existing only because of the 14th Amendment. State Citizens have rights that U.S. Citizens do not possess. Some have held that the Bill of Rights does not apply to U.S. Citizens.

The idea that the county sheriff is the highest law enforcement officer in the country is also SovCit. According to this theory, the sheriff has the power to block the Bureau of Land Management from removing animals grazing on closed public lands and the fencing off of public lands, to prevent foreclosures on farms and residences, and to keep Federal agents of all descriptions out of the county. There is a bill now in the Tennessee legislature that would affirm this.

Admiral Fitzgibbons has adopted part of SovCit thinking, especially the idea that he alone decides which powers over him he will retain and which (few) he will grant to government.

Many SovCits have been nomads or hermits. Others have formed communities that were supposed to be independent of the U.S. and to be self-sufficient. The Montana Freemen were a notorious example of this. They collapsed in 1994 under Federal siege. The Weavers of Ruby Ridge (1992) are taken to be martyrs for the cause, and the attorney Gerry Spence is taken to be a hero for defending Randy Weaver.

Maybe when he realized he would be paying multiple people for every minute of their time he was wasting, he decided it wouldn't be a great idea.

That's part of the magic!

Really, if you don't understand SovCit reasoning, don't try. You will break your brain. Take it from me, I busted my brainbone myself!

I came into contact with a guy a while back that seemed to think if he had DOT number, like 18 wheelers have, that it was illegal for the cops to stop or ticket him. Is that some sort of SovCit delusion too? I have never heard anything similar to it until now and could never figure out where he would have gotten such an idiotic idea. He bought a bunch of those little stick on mailbox numbers from the hardware store and was convinced he was "safe" from any traffic tickets.

Did that guy remember to get the bar code too? Has he stapled the numbers in the correct places on his body? (The forehead will not do; it is reserved for other purposes.)

Mario is not happy with the coverage "Intrepid Reporter" gave on the hearing yesterday.

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2012/05/new-y ... d-not.html
Go to the comments.



I cannot really blame Judge Schack for not keeping Strunk's nonsense straight. It is like Mario is claiming Judge Schack said Strunk said that unicorns fart purple farts when he really said they fart pink farts.

Mario is calling someone intellectually dishonest??





Birthers have argued alll along that that phrase means two parents who must be citizens. Now,, the judge stated it wrongly, that the parents have to be nbc, but still, bottom line, according to the birther meme, Strunk did argue the two citizen parents baloney.

Mario:



That's for sure. Unfortunately, it's not the kind of justice Mario is looking for.

On Mario's blog, someone wants to take action:



http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2012/05/new-y ... 3206703412

Does this person think they have a Complaint Dept?

According to Apuzzo: http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2012/05/new-y ... d-not.html

Excellent. Strunk is now finding out how expensive his hobby of frivolously suing famous people who hire good lawyers is going to be. And, to add insult to injury (or maybe it protects Strunk) he's enjoined from more frivolous suits against these people.

I hope take everything Strunk owns that's not subject to an exemption from levy.

Mr. Strunk should look at this on the bright side: After this little adventure is reduced to judgment(s) and the appeals have run their course, he'll never have a problem qualifying to file in forma pauperis.

There are plenty of courts and millions of defendants he isn't barred from suing.

That's gonna require a LOT of birfers tapping at Strunk's PayPal button !!

Apparently that top notch firm rented a lavish Manhattan banquet hall and brought in very expensive catering to feed their big staff while they worked (very hard) on formulating their defense.
Cool. All defense counsels in birther cases heading to sanctions should do that.
It seems to work wonders.

When will the final sanctions tally be reported ?
And will other birfers take notice...?

While reasonable expenses for food and lodging are routinely granted when sanctions have been granted, the fact is these attorneys would have been eating anyway. I would not be surprised to see these amounts reduced to some extent, although probably not to Denny's levels.

The lodestar for the fees is probably going to dwarf the other costs.

Since I somehow doubt it will be possible to collect much from a loser like Strunk, the actually important part of this ruling is the injunction protecting the defendants from future kook suits by Strunk.

Off course we ar presuming that The Putz is actully telling the truth....a wild arsed assumption at best alas.....