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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:19 pm 
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More fun from Orly's site!!

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What is a Natural Born Citizen?



Three requisites, all of which must concur, for Natural Born Citizenship eligible for President of the U.S.:


1. Father must be US Citizen (either Naturalized or Natural Born)
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2. Mother must be US Citizen (either Naturalized or Natural Born)
and
3. Must be born in US soil


Not only are the prerequistes (not requisites) wrong, I think they must occur, not concur and my favourite is that they must be born in US soil

Evidently natural born citizens come out of the ground like carrots or potatoes!!


Ha! I knew my brother was a turnip!

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To: Congresswomen Mary Bono-Mack


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Charities, Chicago and Terrorism


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Tennessee Sovereignty Just Passed


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Defend our Freedoms Foundation Convention

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http://defendourfreedoms.us/2009/02/19/convention-information.aspx
Defend our Freedoms Foundation Convention

Anybody going to this?


I so want to go. I'm only a bit over an hour from Ft. Worth.

If someone brings the popcorn, I'll bring the Shiner.

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http://defendourfreedoms.us/2009/02/19/charities-chicago-and-terrorism.aspx
Charities, Chicago and Terrorism


One of the comments:
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Good letter! It is factcheck.org though (not .com).

Factcheck is rediculous. In fact, Anneberg owns and operates Factcheck.org. Obama funneled allot of taxpayer$ to this project while sitting on the board of the Annenberg foundation.

You see, Obama funnels taxpayer$ to Annenberg and ACORN, and they do his bidding ..that's how it works.

Another makeshift setup is the Huffington Post.


yep. it's... umm.... anyone have a word for it?

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A Russian defending the US Constitution?

http://defendourfreedoms.us/2009/02/17/ ... ndolo.aspx
Islamic subversion in US is alleged by former FBI agent John Guandolo


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I probably should NOT go to this woman's website because everytime I do it just pisses me off. She just flat out tells lies. Does she know she does? She hates Muslims. Whose this FBI guy?

Are people buying into this BS? She's meeting with all these elected officials.

It will be interesting to see how many attend this "convention". That will tell you something.


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What does the IRS have to do with Obama's BC? This is crazy!


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What does the IRS have to do with Obama's BC? This is crazy!

She served a California subpena on IRS in Washington. I doubt that federal agencies honor state-issued subpenas. (but I have to check on the exact procedures)


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Is this all for show or some kind of game to her? She's crazy. :twisted:


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CB,

The usual procedure is for an Assistant U.S. Attorney to remove the order and subpoena from state court, and then move to quash. See Federal Bureau of Investigation v. Superior Court of California, 507 F. Supp. 2d 1082 (N.D. Cal. 2007) (federal sovereign immunity deprives the state court of jurisdiction to enforce the subpoenas; "Congress has not expressly waived sovereign immunity in cases in which state courts seek to compel government employees to submit to subpoenas or court orders. This Court concludes that the sovereign immunity exceptions do not apply."). Where the IRS is concerned, the case is likely to be handled by a SAUSA out of the Los Angeles IRS District Counsel Office.

Guaranteed to be quite a show. Orly will be outmatched a thousand fold. I think I'll make the trip to LA just to watch the fun.

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Orly has sent subpoenas to everybody and anybody she can think of. Why would she subpoena the IRS? It has nothing to do with Obama's BC. She invades people's privacy. At some point will this woman get sanctioned and/or disbarred? God I hope so. :!: :!: :!: :!: :evil:


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Regarding Orly's post titled "Charities, Chicago and Terrorism", where she ties a Charity called "America Care Society", old Name "Iran Earthquake Relief Fund", to nuclear weapons.

You'll have to look at the blog entry. It's really hard to condense.

http://defendourfreedoms.us/2009/02/19/ ... orism.aspx


Anyway... what I read about AHMAD BARAVATI is that Obama did represent him. He was a whistleblower. Obama won. One of the very few cases Obama argued. (As I understand, he did most of his law work behind the scenes, and did little trial work.)

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Defending a whistleblower

In 1994, Obama went before the 7th Circuit to defend Ahmad Baravati, a trader blackballed by his bosses after he reported them for fraud.

An arbitrator awarded Baravati $60,000 in damages plus $120,000 in punitive damages against the former bosses.

They appealed, saying arbitrators don't have the power to award punitive damages.

Obama had a tough job because the same court had ruled a week earlier that an arbitrator could not award punitive damages. But Obama convinced them this case was different.

"You're suggesting that there's a federal common law that likes punitive damages, but this could be preempted by a state law that says 'no punitive damages,'" Posner told Obama.

"I don't think I'm saying there's a federal law that 'likes punitive damages,'" Obama responded, not dropping his tone of respect. "I think what I'm saying is that there's a federal law that likes the notion that the same remedies that will be available in court will be available in arbitration."

Obama won, and Baravati got to keep the extra $120,000. He still is grateful.

"I found he's a very smart, innovative, skilled, relentless advocate for his client," Baravati said. "When I met him, he reminded me of Abraham Lincoln."


http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/o ... 17.article

The Case itself is here:
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Ahmad Baravati, Plaintiff-Appellee, v. Josephthal, Lyon & Ross, Incorporated, and Peter Sheib, Defendants-Appellants., 28 F.3d 704 (7th Cir. 1994)

Federal Circuits, 7th Cir. (July 01, 1994)

Docket number: 93-3647
Permanent Link: http://vlex.com/vid/ahmad-baravati-jose ... b-36099702
Id. vLex: VLEX-36099702


http://vlex.com/vid/ahmad-baravati-jose ... b-36099702

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Now... as I understand it, there was a devastating earthquake that hit South-East Iran (Bam) before dawn on December 26, 2003. Over 26,000 people died. Lots of "Iran Earthquake Relief" Funds were established. Lots of countries sent people to help.

Barvati sets up "Iran Earthquake Relief Fund". Looks like set up 1/5/2004.

Later, the name was changed to "America Cares Society".

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Orly ties it in this way. First, she gives the definition of a 501(c)(3) organization:

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IRS Subsection 501(c)(3) - A religious, educational, charitable, scientific or literary organization.
(scientific is also underlined, in case you missed the bold text.)

then...
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Obama was successful with his client. They managed to ensure that this charity was able to issue the necessary grants for Iran's scientific needs without the regulation of the ILLINOIS COMMERCE COMMISSION. Now Iran can enjoy status in the space club.


Orly has a graphic on her site of a rocket.

Of course, the comments are about contacting the FBI.

"The Betrayal" carries this nonsense as well.

I believe lots of this information Orly is using is being collected here:

http://www.webofdeception.com/obama.html

You can almost guess what the next conspiracy will be based upon the garbage deposited there.

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Of course, maybe Baravati somehow PLANNED the earthquake so he could set up a phony fund to pay for Iran's weapons? Ya just never know.

Orly is just EVIL. It's not that she's stupid. She is an incompetent lawyer... and dentist. But... to twist and distort stories. To just lie. She is really nuts.

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Orly posts this on her site:

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Tennessee passes the State Sovereignty Resolution


http://defendourfreedoms.us/2009/02/19/ ... assed.aspx

The Betrayal picks it up... credits Orly for the info:
http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=1101

It's posted in the AIP forum... credited to Orly.
http://www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/thre ... 31&posts=2

Catsden posts and credits Orly
http://catsden.wordpress.com/2009/02/19 ... amendment/

and so on.

Problem is... it's not true.

The bill was filed today. No action whatsoever.

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Actions Taken on HJR0108 Action Date
Filed for intro. 02/18/2009


http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInf ... er=HJR0108


I guess it's like when she said the Supreme Court Justices agreed to hear her case?

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I love these folks who claim to be such patriotic Americans, but who have just a feeble, feeble grasp of the history of this great land of ours ... found on DOF:

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What would have happened in the early days of the United States if President George Washington were succeeded along the presidential line by a hypothetical son of Major-General William Howe who commanded the British forces in the Battle of Bunker Hill and a hypothetical American citizen mother?

After the hundreds of thousands of lives lost in the American Revolution ...

Stop right there. Wait a sec. Huh?

The hundreds of thousands of lives lost in the American Revolution??

American Revolution (1775–1783)
Battle deaths: 4,435
Nonmortal woundings: 6,188
Source: InfoPlease

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The hundreds of thousands of lives lost in the American Revolution??

Must have been the peripheral damage she was thinking of. You know, cluster bombs, biological and chemical agents, napalm, 2000 lb bombs, and those rockets - capable of destroying an entire church and the whole congregation in one hit. Or maybe she just mixed up our Revolution with the Russian one...

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Obama Administration and the 10th Amendment


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Letters Needed to The World Over with Raymond Arroyo, in EWTN

http://defendourfreedoms.us/2009/02/20/ ... gland.aspx
A Letter From England

http://defendourfreedoms.us/2009/02/20/ ... party.aspx
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George Soros


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Iran holds enough uranium for bomb‏


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Okay, bogus my dear. I see where this going ............. Orly's next rant:
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OMG! OMG! THE UNITED STATES IS TRYING TO LOCATE OFFSHORE INCOME OF WEALTHY TAX EVADERS!!!!


Orly, is that a problem for you personally?

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It's not really about the news. It's what Orly infers:

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Now we know why the welcome mat was rolled out for his campaign buddies in Gaza. He wanted them out of harms way.

I think that is aiding and abedding.


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