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The Lamb-produced McCain BC is very obviously a forgery, based on info on the face of the form.

My guess is that McCain does not have an official (government) issued b.c., due to issues related to Panama at the time. The document he showed a reporter during the campaign (but did not release) was probably a hospital certificate, not an official record.

I believe that the children of US military personnel stationed abroad should be deemed natural born citizens no matter what the circumstances or location of their birth. I do not agree with John McCain's politics but I can't imagine anyone having the audacity to question his patriotism or loyalty to the US, given both his family's record of service and his own experiences as a prisoner of war.


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Unless they father a child somewhere such as Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Japan, Germany, Italy, etc (WWII). The US turns their back on these children. They end up in orphanages and subject to abuse as you can see how the RWNJs abuse our President.

Edit: With a foreign national mother...We have left traces of the US in almost every place GIs have been.

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Yes, to a large extent. However:

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Unless they father a child somewhere such as Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Japan, Germany, Italy, etc (WWII). The US turns their back on these children. They end up in orphanages and subject to abuse as you can see how the RWNJs abuse our President.

Edit: With a foreign national mother...We have left traces of the US in almost every place GIs have been.


Apparently that is currently being challenged in court, it is seen as a clear cut case of sex discrimination that can no longer be tolerated. I do not have the details but a local attorney that does a domestic law show on my local radio station on Friday mornings was talking about it. It seems really discriminatory towards the child, if your mother is a US citizen and your father is not you are a US citizen, if your father is a US citizen and your mother is not, you are not. Of course SCOTUS may worry that it would create millions and millions of new US citizens with the stroke of a pen, but it will be interesting to see the result of the case.

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I guess I left out one qualification - not married to the US citizen daddy. Some of this is covered under the SOFA Status of Forces Agreement. As a GI could be an Invading Army...the children would not be citizens of the country where born???

I always wondered why the US Government doesn't own up to and clean up its mess overseas??? I mean there are half American babies all over the globe who should have the rights the rest of us do. In Korea and Japan, children with black blood are treated very badly. They are the ones that have to live in the overseas society rather than the "Land of the Big PX".

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ETA The most powerful song I remember from Ms. Saigon.

In one of the Broadway productions, the first thing after the intermission was a preacher telling the story of the bui doi and asking for contributions to help them (not for real). Its impact on me was as great as this song. I don't know whether it was a variant of this song or an addition to it. I'm not even sure that the sermon was not sung.

In any event, I realized that I had never acknowledged how many children of American fathers are scattered all over the globe. I suppose that this was also true of Roman armies and the Greeks before them. I also suppose that some of their children were treated as nothing more than dust because they were so easily identifiable.

Children are often the victims of war in many more ways than loss of their parents, maiming, or death. When they grow up, why do they not curse us? Instead, they also often go to war.

The Port Huron Statement was 50 years old just a few days ago. Tom Hayden wrote about it in the Guardian, "What the Port Huron Statement still has to say, 50 years on: The hopes of Students for a Democratic Society stalled as the 1960s soured. But our ethos of participatory democracy survives". Its opening words still ring for me:
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When we were kids the United States was the wealthiest and strongest country in the world; the only one with the atom bomb, the least scarred by modern war, an initiator of the United Nations that we thought would distribute Western influence throughout the world. Freedom and equality for each individual, government of, by, and for the people--these American values we found good, principles by which we could live as men. Many of us began maturing in complacency.

As we grew, however, our comfort was penetrated by events too troubling to dismiss. First, the permeating and victimizing fact of human degradation, symbolized by the Southern struggle against racial bigotry, compelled most of us from silence to activism. Second, the enclosing fact of the Cold War, symbolized by the presence of the Bomb, brought awareness that we ourselves, and our friends, and millions of abstract "others" we knew more directly because of our common peril, might die at any time. We might deliberately ignore, or avoid, or fail to feel all other human problems, but not these two, for these were too immediate and crushing in their impact, too challenging in the demand that we as individuals take the responsibility for encounter and resolution.

While these and other problems either directly oppressed us or rankled our consciences and became our own subjective concerns, we began to see complicated and disturbing paradoxes in our surrounding America. The declaration "all men are created equal..." rang hollow before the facts of Negro life in the South and the big cities of the North. The proclaimed peaceful intentions of the United States contradicted its economic and military investments in the Cold War status quo.

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Oh my...what a vicious lying biatch.

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Taitz needs to say and do more and more outrageous things to continue to get attention.

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Taitz needs to say and do more and more outrageous things to continue to get attention.


She has been kinda quiet lately... =)) =)) =)) =))

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Suzie: The part that he got wrong may be a detail, but it makes the whole premise of the article incorrect. He is arguing that the birth certificate doesn't matter because Obama would be a natural born citizen no matter where he was born because his mother was a US citizen. That's not correct. His mother was too young at the time to have conferred citizenship on her son if he had been born overseas (which he was not). The birth certificate matters.

Note that Orly's criticism does not pick up this problem with the article. Her criticism is nonsense.


Sometimes we forget that the whole world doesn't need to know every tiny bit of minutia related to Obama's citizenship. I have no problem with Spikard not going into the depth of citizenship laws that we have. Most Americans can't remember that Stanley Ann was 17. Most can't remember her name.

The articles hits several major points. That is what matters. Most folks just skim news; bogging down such an article would just turn off the average reader who would benefit from the bigger picture. Those who want more info can easily research the issue more. Yes, they may stumble upon birfer sites. But I am still convinced that the average American has some intelligence.

I applaud Spikard for taking on the birfers and doing so harshly. His article wasn't written for birfers or anti-birfers. It is written for the average citizen who rolls their eyes at both groups. I would bet money that every one of us has had some friend or family member roll their eyes at them when they mention their anti-birfering.

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That would be a legal interpretation that seems inconsistent with the explicit wording of the statute, but it may be very consistent with legislative intent. So I think that it is very likely that Lola is correct -- the children of youthful American-born mothers who happen to be born abroad while the US-resident mother is traveling would probably be deemed to be citizens. This might also be reflected in the language of forms filled out by the parents in seeking a Consular Report of Birth Abroad - for example, the 5-year rule might only come into place if the parent lists a non-US address as their current residential address.

CB is far better with words than I am but this ^^^^^^, yes.

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please, help put on the ballot in AL this candidate, so he can challenge the criminal in the WH

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I just returned from attending the Madison County Men’s GOP Meeting (no, I’m not a man – LOL) and spoke to Mr. Hugh McInnish about the attached document. Many of you may know or be familiar with Hugh. He is an awesome true conservative.

This is a PETITION on behalf of Bill Friday. He is filing this with the Secretary of State for Alabama, Beth Chapman, in order that he be put on the presidential ballot for November. He is NOT running for president. The purpose of this (and the second pdf sheet explains why) is to give Mr. Friday “standing” in court to challenge the legitimacy of Obama and this is necessary in order for him to be placed on the ballot.

Mr. Friday MUST have 5,000 signatures of registered voters from Alabama in order to have this done. We can do this. There is no time to waste because these need to be signed (make copies as necessary) and the ORIGINAL signed Petition must be returned to:

Mr. Bill Friday
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Sometimes we forget that the whole world doesn't need to know every tiny bit of minutia related to Obama's citizenship. I have no problem with Spikard not going into the depth of citizenship laws that we have. Most Americans can't remember that Stanley Ann was 17. Most can't remember her name.


Frankly, I do have a problem, not with the fact that he didn't go into the minutiae of citizenship law, but that he chose to go into it and then was wrong about a critical detail. It is one thing not to know something. It is another entirely to make definitive statements that are wrong.

Not knowing about it is one thing. Giving birthers another screeching point by making an incorrect statement is another.

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I agree with Loh. Professor Spickard may be very good at teaching history to his students. But he is an errant amateur when it comes to understanding, interpreting and teaching the law.

Piss poor job. And it didn't have to be.

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This is a PETITION on behalf of Bill Friday. He is filing this with the Secretary of State for Alabama, Beth Chapman, in order that he be put on the presidential ballot for November. He is NOT running for president. The purpose of this (and the second pdf sheet explains why) is to give Mr. Friday “standing” in court to challenge the legitimacy of Obama and this is necessary in order for him to be placed on the ballot.

So let me get this straight. He wants to be put on the presidential ballot, but isn't running for president. It's just so he can file a lawsuit. Surely that must violate some law somewhere, doesn't it? Or at least, if someone preserved this documentation and he did file a challenge as a "presidential candidate" later, this could be used to raise some questions, yes?


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I agree with Loh. Professor Spickard may be very good at teaching history to his students. But he is an errant amateur when it comes to understanding, interpreting and teaching the law.

Piss poor job. And it didn't have to be.


I think he was pretty glib ... not scholarly by a long-shot and I think he misjudged the most vocal part of his audience. I'm sure by now that he is sorry for that. (Does anyone think that these, "send so-an-so a letter" crap even works w/ Orly? Not likely, in my mind.)


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This was the plan for Leah Lax in Texas, too. Also. Allegedly, someone paid a filing fee and everything so that Leah Lax could be on the Texas primary ballot.

She wasn't.

But I'm sure this new plan will be successful.

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[b]please, help put on the ballot in AL this candidate, so he can challenge the criminal in the WH




Oh yeah, that'll work - NOT.

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This is a PETITION on behalf of Bill Friday. He is filing this with the Secretary of State for Alabama, Beth Chapman, in order that he be put on the presidential ballot for November. He is NOT running for president. The purpose of this (and the second pdf sheet explains why) is to give Mr. Friday “standing” in court to challenge the legitimacy of Obama and this is necessary in order for him to be placed on the ballot.

So let me get this straight. He wants to be put on the presidential ballot, but isn't running for president. It's just so he can file a lawsuit. Surely that must violate some law somewhere, doesn't it? Or at least, if someone preserved this documentation and he did file a challenge as a "presidential candidate" later, this could be used to raise some questions, yes?


It does not violate any law, but a screenshot would be very useful to Barry Ragsdale if this clown ever filed suit in Alabama. Courts do not appreciate manufactured controversies or contrived "standing."

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Also, they still don't get it that Alabama has passed a law to keep these kinds of cases OUT of the courts. Petitions or candidates or not, they will not have standing in any case. Of course it won't hurt to have evidence they are trying to fake their way into court with a fake candidate.

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So let me get this straight. He wants to be put on the presidential ballot, but isn't running for president. It's just so he can file a lawsuit. Surely that must violate some law somewhere, doesn't it? Or at least, if someone preserved this documentation and he did file a challenge as a "presidential candidate" later, this could be used to raise some questions, yes?


It does not violate any law, but a screenshot would be very useful to Barry Ragsdale if this clown ever filed suit in Alabama. Courts do not appreciate manufactured controversies or contrived "standing."


In NH at least that would be a no-no. (I became vey familiar with that state's process 6 months ago.) This for a primary, though, and not in Alabama. But still...

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The Lamb-produced McCain BC is very obviously a forgery, based on info on the face of the form.

My guess is that McCain does not have an official (government) issued b.c., due to issues related to Panama at the time. The document he showed a reporter during the campaign (but did not release) was probably a hospital certificate, not an official record.

I believe that the children of US military personnel stationed abroad should be deemed natural born citizens no matter what the circumstances or location of their birth. I do not agree with John McCain's politics but I can't imagine anyone having the audacity to question his patriotism or loyalty to the US, given both his family's record of service and his own experiences as a prisoner of war.
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Thanks for including Lea Sylvester’s note on your website.I’ve already gotten one request for a copy of the signature form from a fellow in Birmingham AL.
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