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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:56 am 
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Clever. Now we'll have to add a "filler reply"

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We all know them. Users that always use the quote button instead of the reply button.



So we can quote the properly trimmed poste that we wanted to reply to in the first place ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:54 am 
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But not anymore. You'll find that the last post in a thread doesn't have a quote button anymore.

Bwahaha! :lol:


It's easy enough to figure out how to do it anyway, though.

I noticed it was missing and just assumed it was another broken SerenityPurple thing and just manually created the URL to do it. Bwahaha!

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If you don't like this, tell me WHY it's a bad idea. To me, overquoting has always been a problem.

But I'm always willing to listen to the boogle, and if you have good reasons to junk this thing, I'll junk it.

Edit: Sheesh. It sounded like a GREAT idea at 3 o'clock in the morning. ;;)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:00 am 
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About the only minus I can think of is that new people might think it's just broken and complain about it. If nothing else, it might make people think about overquoting, since they will have to manually create the quote or else manually create the URL to do the quote, which might make them think before doing it.

I suppose an alternative might be to have the quote button but with a yes/no dialogue box informing them they're about to quote the last post in the thread and do they really want to be such a jerk. I doubt anyone has created such a thing out of the box or that it's worth actually coding it, though.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:15 am 
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If you don't like this, tell me WHY it's a bad idea. To me, overquoting has always been a problem.

But I'm always willing to listen to the boogle, and if you have good reasons to junk this thing, I'll junk it.

Edit: Sheesh. It sounded like a GREAT idea at 3 o'clock in the morning. ;;)


I don't think it's bad idea. I just hate to get punished for the misdeeds of others :)

For me, it's really not a problem because I'm so out of sync time-wise with most folks here that if I quote a post it's usually a bit upthread and I can use the "quote" button. I agree that (to quote Weird Al) "posting "me too" like some brain-dead AOL'er" is a problem, and this might help curtail the practice a bit.

Of course, folks could learn to trim their posts ;)

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I think it is a great idea. :-bd

Less space consumed and faster scanning, plus people can always find a way to quote something if they really want to.


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Sounds like a good idea until someone sneaks a post in between you and the "last post."

I think it's unnecessary and will lead to lack of clarity. It solves a problem that didn't really exist. Indeed, it's poster suppression.

Meh.

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The problem DOES exist. Some people click that quote button automatically, all the time, like they can't respond to any post without quoting it. It DOES make the forum less readable, when you have to read the same quote over and over again. Yes, you can train yourself to skip over the clutter. I skip over the clutter myself. But it IS clutter. Why do we need clutter?

Anyway, let's see how it goes for a day, then I'll probably dump it.

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The problem DOES exist. Some people click that quote button automatically, all the time, like they can't respond to any post without quoting it.

Some people don't know how. don't have the patience to trim down their quotes.
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It DOES make the forum less readable, when you have to read the same quote over and over again.

That's true. Yet the mad quoters are not that numerous, why not drop them a PM clue on a case by case basis? People who are grumpy about scrolling a little and filtering a little could show some patience, also, too. Are you at the grumpy stage of your recovery, you poor old rooster?


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My recovery is probably going to take until Christmas. I plan to be grumpy every step of the way. I can walk without my walker, but it ain't pretty to watch, what with me hobbling around like a nonagenarian. ?(

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Poor, poor rooster. :hug:


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As a software professional, I'm allergic to sentences that begin, "NEW FEATURE: CAN'T......" I'm more used to seeing sentences that begin, "BUG: CAN'T...."

As a usability designer, the inconsistency bothers me.

As participant, I think it might be livable if all (or most) posts were very short. But they aren't. Long posts abound, and the quote button is marginally more efficient for me (or seems that way) for trimming out the line I want to highlight in my response, than copy/pasting and then using the "Quote" tag.

Verdict: Not a huge deal, but not what I would call an improvement. But I'm willing to wait and see if I'm wrong.

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Well, like I said ... grumpy as I am ... bossy as I am ... I'll prob'ly dump it before the day is out. Maybe doing it temporarily was just a good way of calling attention to the problem again.

Justin and I were yappin' about this goin' all the way back to the earliest days of PJ, but nobody cared. :-({|=

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First they came for the quotes and I did not speak out because I was not a quote...

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I am a quote. Thomas Jefferson

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I am a quote. Thomas Jefferson

Hahahaha

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First they came for the quotes and I did not speak out because I was not a quote...


I am a quote. Thomas Jefferson

Hahahaha

Foggy: Okay, I just discovered the real problem with this: There's no issue, really, with quoting a oneliner. But if you're the first to comment on a post that already has nested quotes, it's a dogawful pain to reconstruct the original. I really think that will lead to a higher proportion of formatting errors and misattributed segments.

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But if you're the first to comment on a post that already has nested quotes, it's a dogawful pain to reconstruct the original.


Which does sort of make a person think through whether all the quoted material is indeed quotable, which is an argument for the new feature. For serious and complex arguments, an easy fix is the filler post. Then quote the necessary post with point-by-point commentary.

Tough call. I instinctively like it as a fix, but I think the accessibility and newbie unawareness objections are important and probably make it less workable overall.

The biggest downside I see is that it won't fix the huuuuuuge nested quote posts that aren't the last ones in a thread :)

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Foogie - Can you simply limit the number of nested quotes to 3?

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Foggy wrote:
Well, like I said ... grumpy as I am ... bossy as I am ... I'll prob'ly dump it before the day is out. Maybe doing it temporarily was just a good way of calling attention to the problem again.

Justin and I were yappin' about this goin' all the way back to the earliest days of PJ, but nobody cared. :-({|=


Speaking of the old days, Brian was in the chat room last night. He sends his best wishes for a speedy recovery.

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I personally find the constant quote pyramids really really annoying and they probably suck up database storage like nothing else.

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Since I have your attention: when quoting - it isn't necessary to repeat the graphic -

I've been trying to add xxx the front of http: address

It should save bandwith/storage for those pic directly uploaded to the board.

Thank you for your attention to this whiny sniveling matter.

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